[UK] General Election 2017 Superthread

[Densaner]

I'll be voting SNP like last time. However I am totally aghast that Corbyn won't oppose this early election. May needs Labour votes to get it through. Corbyn is leading Labour into oblivion.

[The Wolfiad]

Labour supporter, but I live in a Lib-Con marginal (it was Lib Dem from 1997, but it's Tory now). Might have to vote for the Lib Dems to try and get my Brexiteer MP out.

Fairs. What constituency?

[Hydesland]

be told to fuck off every day until she wins this shitty election

As if you're going to stop after she inevitably wins.

[Souseiseki]

be told to fuck off every day until she wins this shitty election

As if you're going to stop after she inevitably wins.

you got me

[Anywhere Else But Here]

Labour supporter, but I live in a Lib-Con marginal (it was Lib Dem from 1997, but it's Tory now). Might have to vote for the Lib Dems to try and get my Brexiteer MP out.

Fairs. What constituency?

Sutton and Cheam. No room whatsoever for a surprise Labour win, unfortunately.

[The Wolfiad]

Fairs. What constituency?

Sutton and Cheam. No room whatsoever for a surprise Labour win, unfortunately.

Of course I advocate a vote for Labour, but it's perfectly rational to tactically vote here .

[Great Britain Out]

VOTE UKIP!

Theresa May, don't delay! She lied when she said there wasn't going to be an election, she lied when she was Home Secretary, she doesn't want to fulfil the mandate of the people by leaving the EU, her party only became a party of Brexiteers when they realised they might start losing seats if they didn't.

I'm not looking for an argument, this is how I feel about this. However, can someone please tell me if this is even legal. The Fixed Term Parliaments Act 2011 states that she needs a vote of no confidence or 2/3 of the Parliament to vote for a snap General election, I thought the days when Prime Ministers could call election at a whim were well behind us.

[The Wolfiad]

VOTE UKIP!

Theresa May, don't delay! She lied when she said there wasn't going to be an election, she lied when she was Home Secretary, she doesn't want to fulfil the mandate of the people by leaving the EU, her party only became a party of Brexiteers when they realised they might start losing seats if they didn't.

I'm not looking for an argument, this is how I feel about this. However, can someone please tell me if this is even legal. The Fixed Term Parliaments Act 2011 states that she needs a vote of no confidence or 2/3 of the Parliament to vote for a snap General election, I thought the days when Prime Ministers could call election at a whim were well behind us.

Mate we triggered Article 50, we're leaving.

[Densaner]

VOTE UKIP!

Theresa May, don't delay! She lied when she said there wasn't going to be an election, she lied when she was Home Secretary, she doesn't want to fulfil the mandate of the people by leaving the EU, her party only became a party of Brexiteers when they realised they might start losing seats if they didn't.

I'm not looking for an argument, this is how I feel about this. However, can someone please tell me if this is even legal. The Fixed Term Parliaments Act 2011 states that she needs a vote of no confidence or 2/3 of the Parliament to vote for a snap General election, I thought the days when Prime Ministers could call election at a whim were well behind us.

The PM can ask the Commons for an early election at any time. The Commons just has to say NO.

[Raxacoricofallibatorius]

I will be voting conservative (always will as I am a member of the party) as we are the only party with a decent economic plan and the only party committed to making a success of Brexit.

[Federated Kingdom]

or 2/3 of the Parliament to vote for a snap General election

She's got that anyway with Labour support.

[Anywhere Else But Here]

or 2/3 of the Parliament to vote for a snap General election

She's got that anyway with Labour support.

To be fair, having Corbyn's support is not the same thing as having Labour's support...

[Herskerstad]

Yo dude.

From what I understand the fixed term parliament act requires a two thirds majority to hold snap elections which she is likely to get. Don't really care how the conservatives acts towards the aristocrats as long as no laws are broken, care even less about how the media which is broken on both sides of the isle, but the question of legislative and judicial tug of wars is nothing new to west-minister, and will likely not end with the eternal Angelo restoring the empire.

That's like

What's up man.

are you sure? the aristocrats are there to provide oversight to parliament. when the conservatives try to minimize that oversight as much as they can up to and including openly attacking and threatening them if they oppose them too much don't you think that's a bit bad for the whole parliamentary democracy thing? trying to pass non-financial bills as financial bills to stop the lords doing their jobs seems like it's at least skirting the law to me!

and again, are you sure? did you know they had a front page spread posting their faces and calling them ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE? like, not even hyperbole, that is literally verbatim what the headline was? doesn't that strike you as a bit... worrying?

not saying they're going to restore the empire, but it seems pretty unhealthy for democracy.

The lords temporal and spiritual hold only so much sway over the parliamentary discretion, and it's not the first time they have been challenged. The threats to not involve their institution being crushed, nor implies action to somehow toss them off the London bridge, nor to even strip them of their oversight rights which they in all likelihood will enforce so no, it is not something I see as subversive as much as one branch fighting with the other which is not new. I do however agree that omnibills are an increasing issue in democracy as a whole as it has become something of a trend and I see their use as problematic when either side makes use of it, but it is a hard thing to combat judicially since most bills do have more than one of social, economical or political ends to themselves.

I recall the article and had the same opinion then as I do now. Yeah, the daily mail is the buzzfeed of the UK. It's worrying to the point that tabloid papers go and with the rather pillarized discussion of the lord saviours who will defy the evil referendum or the bribed brusslities who will enact the fourth reich goes, and I'd not at all be beyond a forced retraction, fine, sanction, or whathave you when it reaches such a point as it very much seemed something that the courts were obligated to do by law rather than a partisan stick. Then again, I am used to Norwegian standards of press, and my experience with the UK press is that it is slightly more open to heated articles.

To me the direction that's been taken is infinitely more democratically healthy than the EU, which practically makes a living in my nation of hiring retired bigwigs who serve them well when they are in office. I am happy it seems to head for a hard brexit which was voted for, rather than the soft brexit, and I hope France will follow suit although I would not bet my house on it this upcoming election.

[Risottia]

she doesn't want to fulfil the mandate of the people by leaving the EU

She does and she already fulfilled it. She triggered article 50, which means that by March 2019 the UK will be out of the EU. If no agreement between the UK and the EU is made by that time, it's full-hardness-straight-on-Britain's-nose-Brexit.

[Federated Kingdom]

She's got that anyway with Labour support.

To be fair, having Corbyn's support is not the same thing as having Labour's support...

Can't really imagine all of them are going to be willing to be led to the slaughter, valid point there.

[Vassenor]

I will be voting conservative (always will as I am a member of the party) as we are the only party with a decent economic plan and the only party committed to making a success of Brexit.

So what is the economic plan and how is it decent?

[Souseiseki]

I will be voting conservative (always will as I am a member of the party) as we are the only party with a decent economic plan and the only party committed to making a success of Brexit.

you have a decent economic plan but are also doing something that economists overwhelmingly say is a terrible terrible idea

i don't get it

[The Re-Enlightenment]

she doesn't want to fulfil the mandate of the people by leaving the EU

She does and she already fulfilled it. She triggered article 50, which means that by March 2019 the UK will be out of the EU. If no agreement between the UK and the EU is made by that time, it's full-hardness-straight-on-Britain's-nose-Brexit.

She should have repealed the 1972 Europeans Communities Act first, would have given her a far better negotiating hand, but she hasn't exactly got a great track record when it comes to negotiating with the EU. Anyone remember the European Arrest Warrant. Disaster.

[Seamount]

VOTE UKIP!

Theresa May, don't delay! She lied when she said there wasn't going to be an election, she lied when she was Home Secretary, she doesn't want to fulfil the mandate of the people by leaving the EU, her party only became a party of Brexiteers when they realised they might start losing seats if they didn't.

I'm not looking for an argument, this is how I feel about this. However, can someone please tell me if this is even legal. The Fixed Term Parliaments Act 2011 states that she needs a vote of no confidence or 2/3 of the Parliament to vote for a snap General election, I thought the days when Prime Ministers could call election at a whim were well behind us.

Mate we triggered Article 50, we're leaving.

But... Voting UKIP would split the vote. Surely, the only credible option for an actual Brexit of any degree would be voting Conservative. UKIP don't have any chance of winning any seats (let alone the election itself); the LibDems would undo/ignore the Brexit vote altogether; and Labour... I actually don't know what the hell they stand for any more.

[Old Tyrannia]

I am less than impressed with the decision to hold a general election this year. It's a politically astute decision- the Conservatives know that they are riding high in the polls, that Labour is in disarray and that a general election victory will strengthen their mandate for Brexit and reinforce Theresa May's position as Prime Minister- but a general election is the last thing the country needs right now. May is placing party politics before the national interest and I hate it, but what I hate even more is that I will probably reward her for it with my vote because let's face it, who else am I going to vote for as a right-winger?

[Ifreann]

VOTE UKIP!

Why?

[The Re-Enlightenment]

I am less than impressed with the decision to hold a general election this year. It's a politically astute decision- the Conservatives know that they are riding high in the polls, that Labour is in disarray and that a general election victory will strengthen their mandate for Brexit and reinforce Theresa May's position as Prime Minister- but a general election is the last thing the country needs right now. May is placing party politics before the national interest and I hate it, but what I hate even more is that I will probably reward her for it with my vote because let's face it, who else am I going to vote for as a right-winger?

UK Libertarian Party?

[Risottia]

She does and she already fulfilled it. She triggered article 50, which means that by March 2019 the UK will be out of the EU. If no agreement between the UK and the EU is made by that time, it's full-hardness-straight-on-Britain's-nose-Brexit.

She should have repealed the 1972 Europeans Communities Act first, would have given her a far better negotiating hand, (...)

Exactly how? You need art.50 to leave, period, that's what the Treaty of Lisbon says.

[-Mr Money-]

VOTE UKIP!

Why?

Because they believe half of what they say, unlike the Conservatives who jumped on the bandwagon and were responsible for this mess in the first place.

[Herskerstad]

I am less than impressed with the decision to hold a general election this year. It's a politically astute decision- the Conservatives know that they are riding high in the polls, that Labour is in disarray and that a general election victory will strengthen their mandate for Brexit and reinforce Theresa May's position as Prime Minister- but a general election is the last thing the country needs right now. May is placing party politics before the national interest and I hate it, but what I hate even more is that I will probably reward her for it with my vote because let's face it, who else am I going to vote for as a right-winger?

What would you define now as national interest if this move strengthens what will likely be their position for the upcoming brawl with the EU?