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Postby Aelex » Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:23 pm

Pope Joan wrote:France, birthplace of the Enlightenment, is revealing itself as racist and intolerant.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... erant.html

Except your article is mainly pointing toward the muslim minority in France that is extremely antisemitic and not "revealing" anything about the country or society as a whole. :^)
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Postby Valgora » Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:25 pm

Smernosh Smercova wrote:I believe all religious people should be allowed to display their affections in public, save for Christians. Christianity is an outdated and old religion that promotes reactionary values such as chastity, and glorifies heterosexuality.


That is a paradoxical statement.
Saying that all religious people should be allowed to display their religious symbols, except for christians, is a stupid statement.
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Postby Smernosh Smercova » Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:27 pm

Valgora wrote:
Smernosh Smercova wrote:I believe all religious people should be allowed to display their affections in public, save for Christians. Christianity is an outdated and old religion that promotes reactionary values such as chastity, and glorifies heterosexuality.


That is a paradoxical statement.
Saying that all religious people should be allowed to display their religious symbols, except for christians, is a stupid statement.

Why should they? Christianity is white and European, and many identitarians promote it. This cannot stand in today's society. It also glorifies outdated values, as I said before, and prevents society's progress.
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Postby Valgora » Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:28 pm

Smernosh Smercova wrote:
Valgora wrote:
That is a paradoxical statement.
Saying that all religious people should be allowed to display their religious symbols, except for christians, is a stupid statement.

Why should they? Christianity is white and European, and many identitarians promote it. This cannot stand in today's society.


Norse mythology is white and European. What do you say about that religion?
And what the fuck do identitarians have to do with this? What the fuck is and identitarian?
And, there are plenty of black christians as well.
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Postby Xelsis » Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:31 pm

Smernosh Smercova wrote:
Valgora wrote:
That is a paradoxical statement.
Saying that all religious people should be allowed to display their religious symbols, except for christians, is a stupid statement.

Why should they? Christianity is white and European, and many identitarians promote it. This cannot stand in today's society. It also glorifies outdated values, as I said before, and prevents society's progress.


Four of the five largest Christian nations are Brazil, Mexico, the Philippines, and Nigeria. The United States is the only one in the top five to be "white", and much of it's Christian population is Black or Hispanic.

And what do you mean that it "cannot stand?" Do you have actual reasons for such blatant discrimination, beyond, apparently, a racist idea that it is "white and European" and thus must be destroyed?
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Postby Mets Avaz » Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:32 pm

Smernosh Smercova wrote:
Valgora wrote:
That is a paradoxical statement.
Saying that all religious people should be allowed to display their religious symbols, except for christians, is a stupid statement.

Why should they? Christianity is white and European, and many identitarians promote it. This cannot stand in today's society. It also glorifies outdated values, as I said before, and prevents society's progress.

Can't tell if bait or not...

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Postby Smernosh Smercova » Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:33 pm

Xelsis wrote:
Smernosh Smercova wrote:Why should they? Christianity is white and European, and many identitarians promote it. This cannot stand in today's society. It also glorifies outdated values, as I said before, and prevents society's progress.


Four of the five largest Christian nations are Brazil, Mexico, the Philippines, and Nigeria. The United States is the only one in the top five to be "white", and much of it's Christian population is Black or Hispanic.

And what do you mean that it "cannot stand?" Do you have actual reasons for such blatant discrimination, beyond, apparently, a racist idea that it is "white and European" and thus must be destroyed?

Racism only exists when whites discriminate against blacks. I am not being racist when I say that traditional European values must change.
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Postby Dylar » Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:33 pm

Old Tyrannia wrote:Neither should be given any special exemption, because there is no compulsion in Christianity to wear a crucifix every day

While there is no compulsion, some Christians view it as necessary to grow in their faith. Take Catholics for example, we pray the rosary with rosary beads, which looks like a necklace, yet we aren't required to do so.
and no compulsion in Islam to wear the hijab.

It depends on which branch of Islam we're talking about. The Sunni's, the Shiite's, or whatever other branch of Islam there is.
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Postby New haven america » Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:34 pm

Smernosh Smercova wrote:
Valgora wrote:
That is a paradoxical statement.
Saying that all religious people should be allowed to display their religious symbols, except for christians, is a stupid statement.

Why should they? Christianity is white and European, and many identitarians promote it. This cannot stand in today's society. It also glorifies outdated values, as I said before, and prevents society's progress.

Actually, Christianity started in the Middle East, with the most Christian nations (Brazil, Mexico, the Philippines, Nigeria, and the US) not even being in Europe (Actually, Europe is one of the least Christian places in the world).
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Postby New haven america » Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:34 pm

Smernosh Smercova wrote:
Xelsis wrote:
Four of the five largest Christian nations are Brazil, Mexico, the Philippines, and Nigeria. The United States is the only one in the top five to be "white", and much of it's Christian population is Black or Hispanic.

And what do you mean that it "cannot stand?" Do you have actual reasons for such blatant discrimination, beyond, apparently, a racist idea that it is "white and European" and thus must be destroyed?

Racism only exists when whites discriminate against blacks. I am not being racist when I say that traditional European values must change.

Yes you are.
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Postby Valgora » Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:35 pm

Smernosh Smercova wrote:
Xelsis wrote:
Four of the five largest Christian nations are Brazil, Mexico, the Philippines, and Nigeria. The United States is the only one in the top five to be "white", and much of it's Christian population is Black or Hispanic.

And what do you mean that it "cannot stand?" Do you have actual reasons for such blatant discrimination, beyond, apparently, a racist idea that it is "white and European" and thus must be destroyed?

Racism only exists when whites discriminate against blacks. I am not being racist when I say that traditional European values must change.


Racism is racism, whether or not you are talking about blacks, whites, etc.
Saying anyone is bad because of their skin color is racist, no matter how you put it.
So you are bing racist.
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Postby Xelsis » Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:35 pm

Smernosh Smercova wrote:
Xelsis wrote:
Four of the five largest Christian nations are Brazil, Mexico, the Philippines, and Nigeria. The United States is the only one in the top five to be "white", and much of it's Christian population is Black or Hispanic.

And what do you mean that it "cannot stand?" Do you have actual reasons for such blatant discrimination, beyond, apparently, a racist idea that it is "white and European" and thus must be destroyed?

Racism only exists when whites discriminate against blacks. I am not being racist when I say that traditional European values must change.


Nonsense.

Discrimination is discrimination. Saying that only discrimination from one certain race to another is actual "racism" is itself racist. Can Asians not be oppressed? Were Native Americans not oppressed?
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Postby Deutsch Mitteleuropa » Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:36 pm

Smernosh Smercova wrote:I believe all religious people should be allowed to display their affections in public, save for Christians. Christianity is an outdated and old religion that promotes reactionary values such as chastity, and glorifies heterosexuality.


This is a layer too thick. You are a troll, confirmed.
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Postby Smernosh Smercova » Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:38 pm

Xelsis wrote:
Smernosh Smercova wrote:Racism only exists when whites discriminate against blacks. I am not being racist when I say that traditional European values must change.


Nonsense.

Discrimination is discrimination. Saying that only discrimination from one certain race to another is actual "racism" is itself racist. Can Asians not be oppressed? Were Native Americans not oppressed?

Whites can be oppressed, but are 99% not the ones getting discriminated against.
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Postby New haven america » Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:39 pm

Smernosh Smercova wrote:
Xelsis wrote:
Nonsense.

Discrimination is discrimination. Saying that only discrimination from one certain race to another is actual "racism" is itself racist. Can Asians not be oppressed? Were Native Americans not oppressed?

Whites can be oppressed, but are 99% not the ones getting discriminated against.

I see someone doesn't understand racism.
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Deutsch Mitteleuropa wrote:
Smernosh Smercova wrote:I believe all religious people should be allowed to display their affections in public, save for Christians. Christianity is an outdated and old religion that promotes reactionary values such as chastity, and glorifies heterosexuality.


This is a layer too thick. You are a troll, confirmed.

Shhh, you're gonna ruin the fun.
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Postby Xelsis » Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:40 pm

Smernosh Smercova wrote:
Xelsis wrote:
Nonsense.

Discrimination is discrimination. Saying that only discrimination from one certain race to another is actual "racism" is itself racist. Can Asians not be oppressed? Were Native Americans not oppressed?

Whites can be oppressed, but are 99% not the ones getting discriminated against.


So your solution is to change it by enacting a discriminatory ban on Christianity that will dramatically increase the percentage of whites discriminated against?

Deutsch Mitteleuropa wrote:
Smernosh Smercova wrote:I believe all religious people should be allowed to display their affections in public, save for Christians. Christianity is an outdated and old religion that promotes reactionary values such as chastity, and glorifies heterosexuality.


This is a layer too thick. You are a troll, confirmed.


I've heard people argue such in all seriousness. I'll assume their legitimate unless proven otherwise.
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Postby Dylar » Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:40 pm

New haven america wrote:
Smernosh Smercova wrote:Why should they? Christianity is white and European, and many identitarians promote it. This cannot stand in today's society. It also glorifies outdated values, as I said before, and prevents society's progress.

Actually, Christianity started in the Middle East, with the most Christian nations (Brazil, Mexico, the Philippines, Nigeria, and the US) not even being in Europe (Actually, Europe is one of the least Christian places in the world).

It used to be #1 in Europe... Ah, how I miss Christendom...Actually, shouldn't the Vatican technically be #1 on that list? It's its own state, if I remember correctly...unless it also is ruled under the Italian government.
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Postby Smernosh Smercova » Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:41 pm

Xelsis wrote:
Smernosh Smercova wrote:Whites can be oppressed, but are 99% not the ones getting discriminated against.


So your solution is to change it by enacting a discriminatory ban on Christianity that will dramatically increase the percentage of whites discriminated against?

Yes. I believe Christians perpetuate a culture that cannot be tolerated in our new society. Europe must change and embrace the values of progressivism, tolerance, and diversity.
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Postby Valgora » Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:42 pm

Smernosh Smercova wrote:
Xelsis wrote:
So your solution is to change it by enacting a discriminatory ban on Christianity that will dramatically increase the percentage of whites discriminated against?

Yes. I believe Christians perpetuate a culture that cannot be tolerated in our new society. Europe must change and embrace the values of progressivism, tolerance, and diversity.



Can a christian not embrace values of progressivism, tolerance, and diversity?
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Postby Mets Avaz » Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:42 pm

Xelsis wrote:
Smernosh Smercova wrote:Whites can be oppressed, but are 99% not the ones getting discriminated against.


So your solution is to change it by enacting a discriminatory ban on Christianity that will dramatically increase the percentage of whites discriminated against?

Except it won't as the more strict and fundamental Christians are, on average, ethnic minorities.

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Postby Mets Avaz » Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:43 pm

Smernosh Smercova wrote:
Xelsis wrote:
So your solution is to change it by enacting a discriminatory ban on Christianity that will dramatically increase the percentage of whites discriminated against?

Yes. I believe Christians perpetuate a culture that cannot be tolerated in our new society. Europe must change and embrace the values of progressivism, tolerance, and diversity.

The values that spawned from Europe?

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Postby Dylar » Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:43 pm

Smernosh Smercova wrote:
Xelsis wrote:
So your solution is to change it by enacting a discriminatory ban on Christianity that will dramatically increase the percentage of whites discriminated against?

Yes. I believe Christians perpetuate a culture that cannot be tolerated in our new society. Europe must change and embrace the values of progressivism, tolerance, and diversity.

So, loving one another, respecting each other, and resisting the temptations of rape, murder, and any other horrid act destroys any chance of societal progression? Well, I'm sold, let's move back to the Medieval Era!!
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Postby New haven america » Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:44 pm

Dylar wrote:
New haven america wrote:Actually, Christianity started in the Middle East, with the most Christian nations (Brazil, Mexico, the Philippines, Nigeria, and the US) not even being in Europe (Actually, Europe is one of the least Christian places in the world).

It used to be #1 in Europe... Ah, how I miss Christendom...Actually, shouldn't the Vatican technically be #1 on that list? It's its own state, if I remember correctly...unless it also is ruled under the Italian government.

The Vatican's... weird. I guess you could count it as #1, however, it only has a population of 1000 and most (If not all) of the population are immigrants.
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Postby Central European Commonwealth » Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:44 pm

Smernosh Smercova wrote:
Xelsis wrote:
So your solution is to change it by enacting a discriminatory ban on Christianity that will dramatically increase the percentage of whites discriminated against?

Yes. I believe Christians perpetuate a culture that cannot be tolerated in our new society. Europe must change and embrace the values of progressivism, tolerance, and diversity.


I believe ALL religion in general, and Abrahamic religion in particular perpetuate a culture of hate.

It would be best for the world if everyone would stop bothering about their nonsense, but at the very least, keep it to themselves.
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