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by Galloism » Thu Apr 13, 2017 2:32 pm
by The Holy Therns » Thu Apr 13, 2017 2:42 pm
Gallade wrote:Love, cake, wine and banter. No greater meaning to life (〜^∇^)〜
Ethel mermania wrote:to therns is to transend the pettiness of the field of play into the field of dreams.
by Salandriagado » Thu Apr 13, 2017 3:35 pm
Xerographica wrote:Salandriagado wrote:
I do the former regularly, and the latter rarely (pretty much only VAT at the moment, in fact). Neither of those have anything to do with communicating value, or any such tosh: the former is because throwing money at the problem is the best option I have available to me for addressing that problem, given other demands on my time, and the latter because I don't have a choice in the matter.
Like I said in the OP... crowdfunding posts would be optional. So what would be the harm in giving people this option?
If people don't spend their money on your posts... well... that wouldn't be any different than with the current system. If people did spend their money on your posts... well... would this harm you? If so, I'm sure that you could disable crowdfunding on your posts.
So where's the harm?
by Galloism » Thu Apr 13, 2017 3:37 pm
The Holy Therns wrote:Xero, do you throw money at your friends whenever they say things you like?
Maqo wrote:So I challenge you: put your money where your mouth is. There is a simple way to test this theory. Go to the bank and get a few rolls of nickels. And as you walk around over the next week, throw nickels to the people that please you. If your friend tells a funny joke, give them a nickel. See someone picking up litter? Nickel. Someone is polite to you in a shop? Nickel.
By the end of the week, you should have more, funnier friends, in a cleaner town with more polite shops.
#makeitrain
by The BlAAtschApen » Thu Apr 13, 2017 4:11 pm
The Holy Therns wrote:Xero, do you throw money at your friends whenever they say things you like?
by Grave_n_idle » Thu Apr 13, 2017 4:24 pm
Xerographica wrote:There you are on Facebook scrolling through your feed. In one post, your friend Sarah writes that she donated her kidney to your mutual friend Samantha. There's a heartwarming picture attached to the post. Are you going to click the "Like" button? Of course. Will Samantha click the "Like" button? Of course! But doesn't simply clicking the "Like" button seem woefully inadequate?
What if you had the option to spend your money on Sarah's post? Let's say that you spent $3 dollars on Sarah's post.
by Camicon » Thu Apr 13, 2017 4:27 pm
Xerographica wrote:There you are on Facebook scrolling through your feed. In one post, your friend Sarah writes that she donated her kidney to your mutual friend Samantha.
There's a heartwarming picture attached to the post. Are you going to click the "Like" button? Of course.
Will Samantha click the "Like" button? Of course! But doesn't simply clicking the "Like" button seem woefully inadequate?
What if you had the option to spend your money on Sarah's post? Let's say that you spent $3 dollars on Sarah's post.
Facebook would take a reasonable cut (5%?) and give the rest to Sarah.
How much money would Samantha be willing to spend on Sarah's post?
How much money would the crowd be willing to spend on Sarah's post?
How much money would Sarah make for donating her kidney to Samantha? Right now it's illegal to sell your kidney. But shouldn't donating your kidney be profitable?
If posts were crowdfunded then you would be able to see and know exactly how much money had been spent on a post. In other words, you would know the value of each and every post on your feed. This would give you the ability to filter out posts that were less valuable than $1 dollar... or $10 dollars... or $100 dollars.
To be sure, trying to figure out how much money to spend on a post would definitely be far more mentally taxing than deciding whether you like a post. But this is exactly why the amount of money spent on a post would be a far more trustworthy indication of its importance. People actually had to use their brains! They had to seriously consider the trade-offs.
Clicking the "Like" button on a post is superficial feedback. There's absolutely no cost/sacrifice. Spending money on a post is substantial feedback. There certainly is a cost/sacrifice.
When the feedback is superficial... then faking it is costless. When the feedback is substantial... then faking it is costly.
The question is... do you want to know what people really think about your posts? I'm guessing that, for most of you, the answer is "NO!!!!" Most people really like to delude themselves into believing that their posts are far more valuable than they truly are.
The problem with this delusional mentality is that it results in society suffering from a severe shortage of genuinely beneficial behavior.
If you believe that your photos are exceptionally good... you can share them on Facebook and lots of people might be happy to "Like" them. After all, it doesn't cost them anything to do so. If they don't truly enjoy your photos, then clicking the "Like" button is just a little white lie that can help strengthen the bonds of friendship.
But if you take your photos to the flea market...
Entrepreneurship is the optimal medium for empirically demonstrating the value of an idea. If you really want to know what an idea is worth, if you really want to know how useful it is, take that idea and engage reality with it. Attempt to create value for others, attempt to solve problems within the context of an accountability structure rooted in profit and loss… When you ask people for money in exchange for something you do, you’re going to get more honest feedback than ever before. - T.K. Coleman
Let me add a bit of balance to my post by sharing this video... Michael Sandel: The Moral Limits of Markets. Let me add a bit more balance by sharing this paper by Uri Gneezy... When and Why Incentives (Don't) Work to Modify Behavior.
Ok, so I'm generally not a big fan of public displays of affection (PDA). Could crowdfunding posts be considered PDA? Or is it more like public displays of gratitude (PDG)? Or maybe public displays of nurturing (PDN)? What percentage of the posts on your Facebook feed would you be truly willing to nurture with your money? Would you be willing to monetarily nurture a post about your bff's engagement? Her wedding? Her first baby? Her promotion? Her divorce?
My guess is that once people were more honest with each other then there would be some serious social reshuffling.
Superficial friendships would be replaced with substantial friendships. What's your guess?
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by San Marlindo » Thu Apr 13, 2017 4:31 pm
"Cold, analytical, materialistic thinking tends to throttle the urge to imagination." - Michael Chekhov
by Camicon » Thu Apr 13, 2017 4:38 pm
Country of glowing hearts, and patrons of the artsThe Trews, Under The Sun
Help me out
Star spangled madness, united sadness
Count me out
No human is more human than any other. - Lieutenant-General Roméo Antonius Dallaire
Don't shine for swine. - Metric, Soft Rock Star
Love is hell. Hell is love. Hell is asking to be loved. - Emily Haines and the Soft Skeleton, Detective Daughter
by The first Galactic Republic » Thu Apr 13, 2017 4:39 pm
by Grave_n_idle » Thu Apr 13, 2017 4:49 pm
Camicon wrote:Everyone would start hating each other, because nobody is entirely honest with each other, because that destroys relationships over trivial shit that neither person really cares about.
by Galloism » Thu Apr 13, 2017 4:50 pm
Grave_n_idle wrote:Camicon wrote:Everyone would start hating each other, because nobody is entirely honest with each other, because that destroys relationships over trivial shit that neither person really cares about.
Also... I think there's already a name for friendship that is negotiable for financial remuneration.
by Camicon » Thu Apr 13, 2017 4:52 pm
Grave_n_idle wrote:Camicon wrote:Everyone would start hating each other, because nobody is entirely honest with each other, because that destroys relationships over trivial shit that neither person really cares about.
Also... I think there's already a name for friendship that is negotiable for financial remuneration.
Country of glowing hearts, and patrons of the artsThe Trews, Under The Sun
Help me out
Star spangled madness, united sadness
Count me out
No human is more human than any other. - Lieutenant-General Roméo Antonius Dallaire
Don't shine for swine. - Metric, Soft Rock Star
Love is hell. Hell is love. Hell is asking to be loved. - Emily Haines and the Soft Skeleton, Detective Daughter
by Galloism » Thu Apr 13, 2017 5:08 pm
by The Holy Therns » Thu Apr 13, 2017 5:15 pm
Gallade wrote:Love, cake, wine and banter. No greater meaning to life (〜^∇^)〜
Ethel mermania wrote:to therns is to transend the pettiness of the field of play into the field of dreams.
by The Two Jerseys » Thu Apr 13, 2017 5:59 pm
The first Galactic Republic wrote:Oh boy. Now we can have advertising disguised as a normal post.
"Hey fellow consumers. Watch out for people from McDonald's trying to buy out Facebook posts. You know who would never do that? Wendy's. Wendy's, quality is our recipe."
John Q. Public posted a new photo.Just about to go take my Chevrolet down to the Walmart to pick up some Hanes t-shirts, Wrangler jeans, Mountain Dew, and Campbell's Soup. Then I think I'll stop at McDonald's for lunch and try the new Grand Mac, available for a limited time only. #endorsement #givememoneyforpluggingyourproduct
by Galloism » Thu Apr 13, 2017 6:00 pm
The Two Jerseys wrote:The first Galactic Republic wrote:Oh boy. Now we can have advertising disguised as a normal post.
"Hey fellow consumers. Watch out for people from McDonald's trying to buy out Facebook posts. You know who would never do that? Wendy's. Wendy's, quality is our recipe."John Q. Public posted a new photo.Just about to go take my Chevrolet down to the Walmart to pick up some Hanes t-shirts, Wrangler jeans, Mountain Dew, and Campbell's Soup. Then I think I'll stop at McDonald's for lunch and try the new Grand Mac, available for a limited time only. #endorsement #givememoneyforpluggingyourproduct
by San Marlindo » Thu Apr 13, 2017 6:00 pm
"Cold, analytical, materialistic thinking tends to throttle the urge to imagination." - Michael Chekhov
by Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Apr 13, 2017 6:08 pm
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by Grave_n_idle » Thu Apr 13, 2017 6:13 pm
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Why don't you just come right out and say you think or want us to pay for the "privilege" *urk* to read your "enlightening" *urk* posts and we can be done with it all?
by Xerographica » Thu Apr 13, 2017 7:19 pm
Camicon wrote:Let me add a bit of balance to my post by sharing this video... Michael Sandel: The Moral Limits of Markets. Let me add a bit more balance by sharing this paper by Uri Gneezy... When and Why Incentives (Don't) Work to Modify Behavior.
Stop bastardizing other peoples work, and pretending like it supports your crap.
It is these needs which are essentially deficits in the organism, empty holes, so to speak, which must be filled up for health’s sake, and furthermore must be filled from without by human beings other than the subject, that I shall call deficits or deficiency needs for purposes of this exposition and to set them in contrast to another and very different kind of motivation. — Abraham Maslow, Toward a Psychology of Being
Forsher wrote:You, I and everyone we know, knows Xero's threads are about one thing and one thing only.
by Camicon » Thu Apr 13, 2017 7:26 pm
Xerographica wrote:Camicon wrote:Stop bastardizing other peoples work, and pretending like it supports your crap.
When an article is balanced it evenly shares both sides of the issue. My post was heavily weighted to my side of the issue. I added "a bit of balance" by sharing some links to the other side of the issue.
So in no way, shape or form was I pretending that their work supports my view.
I've taken the time and made the effort to learn what both sides have to say about markets.
My personal motivation is that I don't want to waste my limited time on this planet barking up the wrong tree. This gives me a serious incentive to do my homework.
You seem to be interested in spending quite a bit of time debating the topic. But can you truly win the debate without doing your homework? Can you ensure that you're helping to clarify the issue rather than confuse it?
On the one had I love everybody sharing their 2 cents. But on the other hand I would genuinely appreciate it if there were at least a few members who took the time to watch a video or read a paper on the topic so that we could have an informed discussion.
Country of glowing hearts, and patrons of the artsThe Trews, Under The Sun
Help me out
Star spangled madness, united sadness
Count me out
No human is more human than any other. - Lieutenant-General Roméo Antonius Dallaire
Don't shine for swine. - Metric, Soft Rock Star
Love is hell. Hell is love. Hell is asking to be loved. - Emily Haines and the Soft Skeleton, Detective Daughter
by Izandai » Thu Apr 13, 2017 7:29 pm
by Neanderthaland » Thu Apr 13, 2017 7:40 pm
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