Do you think LGBTs will eventually be all rounded up?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I'm not going to quote Mechanisburg, it would make my post huge but it raised a giant spark in my mind. Sure, homosexuality isn't classified as a disorder by, well... social "scientists". However, let's look at this from a far more scientific basis.

Please don't deride the social sciences.

Given that all you have is a conspiracy theory (which is at best a result of "shit happens") I don't think you're qualified to assert that social sciences (which psychology is definitely not, by the way, it is a medical science) are not real sciences.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Also, am I the only one who has noticed that most people who argue for homosexuality being a mental illness mostly use the "in the old days" argument?

I mean, in the old days you also were likely to die at 30 years old. So, what, do we just get rid of medicine altogether and let people die and never get past 1 billion people in the world?

[New haven america]

Also, am I the only one who has noticed that most people who argue for homosexuality being a mental illness mostly use the "in the old days" argument?

I mean, in the old days you also died at 30 years old. So, what, do we just get rid of medicine altogether and let people die and never get past 1 billion people in the world?

Yes.

It's the only way we can truly live as humans. *Nod*

[United Muscovite Nations]

Also, am I the only one who has noticed that most people who argue for homosexuality being a mental illness mostly use the "in the old days" argument?

I mean, in the old days you also were likely to die at 30 years old. So, what, do we just get rid of medicine altogether and let people die and never get past 1 billion people in the world?

Well, I would argue that our understanding of homosexuality really hasn't changed, and that we only stopped considering it a mental illness because it became socially acceptable.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Well, I would argue that our understanding of homosexuality really hasn't changed, and that we only stopped considering it a mental illness because it became socially acceptable.

I'm not sure that the only reason is because we now deem it socially acceptable though.

I mean, autism is socially acceptable and that's still classified as a mental illness. So that can't be how it became not a mental illness. At least I don't think.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Well, I would argue that our understanding of homosexuality really hasn't changed, and that we only stopped considering it a mental illness because it became socially acceptable.

I'm not sure that the only reason is because we now deem it socially acceptable though.

I mean, autism is socially acceptable and that's still classified as a mental illness. So that can't be how it became not a mental illness. At least I don't think.

Then can you explain to me what fundamentally changed in our understanding of it as a mental illness? I mean, last I checked, pretty much every sexual preference works the same way. The only reason we consider some (e.g. pedophilia, zoophilia) mental illnesses, is because of social unacceptability. That's why we no longer consider homosexuality a mental illness.

[Mechanisburg]

Also, am I the only one who has noticed that most people who argue for homosexuality being a mental illness mostly use the "in the old days" argument?

I mean, in the old days you also were likely to die at 30 years old. So, what, do we just get rid of medicine altogether and let people die and never get past 1 billion people in the world?

Well, I would argue that our understanding of homosexuality really hasn't changed, and that we only stopped considering it a mental illness because it became socially acceptable.

It's the other way around.

It was only considered a mental illness in the first place because it was socially unacceptable.

A more rigorous definition of mental illness, such as the one that can be found within the DSM-V, addresses this and specifies that mental illnesses should be intrinsically harmful. Liking the wrong soccer team could get you killed or ostracised in some places, but that doesn't mean it's a mental illness.

[New haven america]

Well, I would argue that our understanding of homosexuality really hasn't changed, and that we only stopped considering it a mental illness because it became socially acceptable.

I'm not sure that the only reason is because we now deem it socially acceptable though.

I mean, autism is socially acceptable and that's still classified as a mental illness. So that can't be how it became not a mental illness. At least I don't think.

Generally, mental illnesses are disturbances of thought, experience, and emotion that causes functional impairment in people.

Homosexuality (Along with Bisexuality, Pansexuality, etc...) doesn't do any of that, nor does it cause functional impairment in people's daily lives.

[Valgora]

Also, am I the only one who has noticed that most people who argue for homosexuality being a mental illness mostly use the "in the old days" argument?

I mean, in the old days you also were likely to die at 30 years old. So, what, do we just get rid of medicine altogether and let people die and never get past 1 billion people in the world?

Well, I would argue that our understanding of homosexuality really hasn't changed, and that we only stopped considering it a mental illness because it became socially acceptable.

Something being socially acceptable or not isn't valid criteria for mental illnesses.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I'm not sure that the only reason is because we now deem it socially acceptable though.

I mean, autism is socially acceptable and that's still classified as a mental illness. So that can't be how it became not a mental illness. At least I don't think.

Generally, mental illnesses are disturbances of thought, experience, and emotion that causes functional impairment in people.

Homosexuality (Along with Bisexuality, Pansexuality, etc...) doesn't do any of that, nor does it cause functional impairment in people's daily lives.

Functional in what?

[Mechanisburg]

I'm not sure that the only reason is because we now deem it socially acceptable though.

I mean, autism is socially acceptable and that's still classified as a mental illness. So that can't be how it became not a mental illness. At least I don't think.

Then can you explain to me what fundamentally changed in our understanding of it as a mental illness? I mean, last I checked, pretty much every sexual preference works the same way. The only reason we consider some (e.g. pedophilia, zoophilia) mental illnesses, is because of social unacceptability. That's why we no longer consider homosexuality a mental illness.

Uhm...

No? Pedophilia can and does lead to child abuse, which is harmful for others. Zoophilia to animal abuse. Both of these involve attraction - which might not even be intrinsically disordered - to categories of beings that can't give consent, thus leading to their harm.

Homosexuality... doesn't.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Generally, mental illnesses are disturbances of thought, experience, and emotion that causes functional impairment in people.

Homosexuality (Along with Bisexuality, Pansexuality, etc...) doesn't do any of that, nor does it cause functional impairment in people's daily lives.

Functional in what?

Life, homosexuality does nothing to impact ones life negativly

[United Muscovite Nations]

Then can you explain to me what fundamentally changed in our understanding of it as a mental illness? I mean, last I checked, pretty much every sexual preference works the same way. The only reason we consider some (e.g. pedophilia, zoophilia) mental illnesses, is because of social unacceptability. That's why we no longer consider homosexuality a mental illness.

Uhm...

No? Pedophilia can and does lead to child abuse, which is harmful for others. Zoophilia to animal abuse. Both of these involve attraction - which might not even be intrinsically disordered - to categories of beings that can't give consent, thus leading to their harm.

Homosexuality... doesn't.

Consent is defined solely by society. Are you going to say that medieval lords who married 14 year old girls were all mentally ill?

[Valgora]

Generally, mental illnesses are disturbances of thought, experience, and emotion that causes functional impairment in people.

Homosexuality (Along with Bisexuality, Pansexuality, etc...) doesn't do any of that, nor does it cause functional impairment in people's daily lives.

Functional in what?

People's ability to function in their everyday lives.

[New haven america]

Generally, mental illnesses are disturbances of thought, experience, and emotion that causes functional impairment in people.

Homosexuality (Along with Bisexuality, Pansexuality, etc...) doesn't do any of that, nor does it cause functional impairment in people's daily lives.

Functional in what?

Society, life, etc...

Chances are, someone who's homosexual won't have crippling hallucinations telling them to kill people, or violent or unexpected mood swings, hence, it's not a mental illness.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Well, I would argue that our understanding of homosexuality really hasn't changed, and that we only stopped considering it a mental illness because it became socially acceptable.

Something being socially acceptable or not isn't valid criteria for mental illnesses.

Then why is Voyeurism a mental illness? Why is Fetishism?

[United Muscovite Nations]

Functional in what?

Life, homosexuality does nothing to impact ones life negativly

Well, for one, you can't have children the normal way.

[Mechanisburg]

Uhm...

No? Pedophilia can and does lead to child abuse, which is harmful for others. Zoophilia to animal abuse. Both of these involve attraction - which might not even be intrinsically disordered - to categories of beings that can't give consent, thus leading to their harm.

Homosexuality... doesn't.

Consent is defined solely by society. Are you going to say that medieval lords who married 14 year old girls were all mentally ill?

No, I'm going to say they were likely rapists.

Also, no, consent is not defined solely by society. Consent is such a simple concept I have no idea how it could conceivably be misunderstood.

Consent is: "do you want to do X", asked from someone not under one's power, that won't suffer for a negative response, resulting in an affirmative.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Uhm...

No? Pedophilia can and does lead to child abuse, which is harmful for others. Zoophilia to animal abuse. Both of these involve attraction - which might not even be intrinsically disordered - to categories of beings that can't give consent, thus leading to their harm.

Homosexuality... doesn't.

Consent is defined solely by society. Are you going to say that medieval lords who married 14 year old girls were all mentally ill?

Consent has always been consent, we just started caring about women giving it recently

[Valgora]

Life, homosexuality does nothing to impact ones life negativly

Well, for one, you can't have children the normal way.

That depends on the person if it affects then in a negative way.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Consent is defined solely by society. Are you going to say that medieval lords who married 14 year old girls were all mentally ill?

No, I'm going to say they were likely rapists.

Also, no, consent is not defined solely by society. Consent is such a simple concept I have no idea how it could conceivably be misunderstood.

Consent is: "do you want to do X", asked from someone not under one's power, that won't suffer for a negative response, resulting in an affirmative.

Then why do different countries have different ages of consent?

[Hashirajima]

Life, homosexuality does nothing to impact ones life negativly

Well, for one, you can't have children the normal way.

Reproduction isn't essential in an individual's survival, neither does the lack of reproductive ability directly impact upon activities of daily living.

[Durkenshtan]

No. Roudning them up is a far cry from what they probably would want, which is more silence from LGBT voices and discussion.
Despite what some of them say, I don't think the majority of them would go that far.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Life, homosexuality does nothing to impact ones life negativly

Well, for one, you can't have children the normal way.

Yeah I guess, if you're life was only determined by your ability to have children.

[Mechanisburg]

Life, homosexuality does nothing to impact ones life negativly

Well, for one, you can't have children the normal way.

Are you aware of the fact gay men do not have special, proprietary penises, nor lesbian women special, proprietary vaginas?

There's nothing stopping any one of us from reproducing "the normal way". Homosexuality != sterility, and in fact quite a lot of us have, had, or will have children.