Do you think LGBTs will eventually be all rounded up?

[Vigilante justice]

He maintained that Jewish moral law was correct, He never deviated from it except in cases where the reason behind the bans was misunderstood. Moreover, His students all maintained that homosexuality was wrong, so we can only assume that He believed it was wrong.

He didn't have any quotes

And on that matter. Name a student and a comment where they said homosexuals are wrong.

Um, literally like an eighth of the new testament is Jesus talking.

Also, the students ( his 12 disciples, and misc. followers) passed down the view generation through generation. They don't need quotes or sayings as proof, our view today is proof. That was his point.

[New haven america]

Yes.

It was a very long-winded way to point out how calling someone's life "fruitless" because they didn't have children is utter and complete crap.

Ah. I see now.

But "fruit" was talking about children, not acts. Lot's of gay people have produced awesome things, but none have probably ever had a child, or it's very rare at least.

Multiple gay males have had biological children through In Vetro or through Surrogates. Also, multiple lesbians have had their own kids.

Being homosexual doesn't make you infertile.

[New haven america]

But by accepting Jesus you're already repenting and being forgiven for your sins.

Get it yet?

Repenting your sins is how you accept Christ.

And by accepting Christ, you are Eternally Forgiven for all sins, past, present, and future.

[Vigilante justice]

Repenting your sins is how you accept Christ.

And by accepting Christ, you are Eternally Forgiven for all sins, past, present, and future.

Where did you hear that? That's not how it works. If you go become a christian, then five years later gun some dude down in an alley, you're obviously denouncing god. You, in no way, were called to be a child of god.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Repenting your sins is how you accept Christ.

And by accepting Christ, you are Eternally Forgiven for all sins, past, present, and future.

No, you aren't. Everytime you sin, you have to repent, because every sin is rejecting Christ. This is why in traditional Christianity, you do things like fasting, confession, and prayer. Your view on this seems to almost be Baptist, and I don't know how you got exposed to that, but Baptists are a tiny minority of Christians and have basically no historical link to early Christianity, so I wouldn't recommend basing your theological understanding of the Christian idea of sin on them.

[Mechanisburg]

No, you should be concerned with the what the DSM says if you mention mental illnesses.

And a homosexual is just attracted to the same sex. While they can't have children with their preferred sex, they can still have children. Now, in modern times, you can adopt to have children.

Adopting is not continuing your genes. That is simple. However, as I can see, I've severely "triggered" our resident trans, so any further discussion is (heh) as fruitless as their life. The LGBTs are free to do their little thing, it just so happens that their genes do not benefit from any discovery that they make. I don't care that I'm "blind to trans issues" because at most trans should be a minute slice of the population and as Mechanis' own description goes, a useless feature of existence.

If you don't care about the fact you are blind to reality, justifying your blindness with "reasoning" along the lines of "unless someone is both willing and capable of reproducing, and does so, their existence is fruitless" - well, being wrong is your prerogative.

Also, you seem to confuse being triggered, which is what one with PTSD experiences re-living what led to their PTSD, with simply looking at the homo-transphobic bullshit being spewed all over the internet - thinly disguised as "reasonable" by means of a poor understanding of nature, genes, and evolution - and saying "what the fuck dude".

Also, you are breaking the quotes.

[The Black Forrest]

He didn't have any quotes

And on that matter. Name a student and a comment where they said homosexuals are wrong.

Um, literally like an eighth of the new testament is Jesus talking.

Also, the students ( his 12 disciples, and misc. followers) passed down the view generation through generation. They don't need quotes or sayings as proof, our view today is proof. That was his point.

Still an assumption.....

[Vigilante justice]

And by accepting Christ, you are Eternally Forgiven for all sins, past, present, and future.

No, you aren't. Everytime you sin, you have to repent, because every sin is rejecting Christ. This is why in traditional Christianity, you do things like fasting, confession, and prayer. Your view on this seems to almost be Baptist, and I don't know how you got exposed to that, but Baptists are a tiny minority of Christians and have basically no historical link to early Christianity, so I wouldn't recommend basing your theological understanding of the Christian idea of sin on them.

That is definitely not how a baptist thinks. That sounds extremely Calvinist (Though I have heard many baptists have that view).

[New haven america]

And by accepting Christ, you are Eternally Forgiven for all sins, past, present, and future.

Where did you hear that? That's not how it works. If you go become a christian, then five years later gun some dude down in an alley, you're obviously denouncing god. You, in no way, were called to be a child of god.

You know, that obscure book with the dude that got nail to a cross or something, that silly thing.

[Karvelia]

Ah. I see now.

But "fruit" was talking about children, not acts. Lot's of gay people have produced awesome things, but none have probably ever had a child, or it's very rare at least.

Multiple gay males have had biological children through In Vetro or through Surrogates. Also, multiple lesbians have had their own kids.

Being homosexual doesn't make you infertile.

What is so hard to understand about basic genetics? You as a being do not mate with your partner and thus the opposite sex. Do not pass go, do not collect 200$. Humans are more complicated than just that though. Not only is there a genetics front to cover, we must also consider that LGBTs make terrible parents to the point where a single mother is preferable (Would you like studies? I have lots) that in the cultural realm or whatever you may call it that LGBTs are broken as I say. They are also statistically pedophiles and had similar such family members. In the end, I want numbers and all you give me is conjecture and anecdotal cases. What about the billions of straight scientists and innovators? We don't have to nitpick for those.

You are mad and defensive because this issue burrows straight to your heart and at best you show a innate disdain for children.

[Vigilante justice]

Where did you hear that? That's not how it works. If you go become a christian, then five years later gun some dude down in an alley, you're obviously denouncing god. You, in no way, were called to be a child of god.

You know, that obscure bookS with the dude that got nail to a cross or something, that silly thing.

That's not what he died for. He didn't go through that so somebody can go running to the alter, repent, and instantly have fireproof. Being a christian take commitment, and as a christian you can be in a relationship with god, then go to heaven. If you go off and leave god's way, and and don't come back and make an effort to stop your sins, then you are NOT a christian, and you are NOT getting to heaven.

[New haven america]

And by accepting Christ, you are Eternally Forgiven for all sins, past, present, and future.

No, you aren't. Everytime you sin, you have to repent, because every sin is rejecting Christ. This is why in traditional Christianity, you do things like fasting, confession, and prayer. Your view on this seems to almost be Baptist, and I don't know how you got exposed to that, but Baptists are a tiny minority of Christians and have basically no historical link to early Christianity, so I wouldn't recommend basing your theological understanding of the Christian idea of sin on them.

I'm only going by what's said and shown, and what is shown is that if you accept Jesus, you are forgiven for your sins.

It's so simple, yet you seem to have such trouble with this idea.

[United Muscovite Nations]

No, you aren't. Everytime you sin, you have to repent, because every sin is rejecting Christ. This is why in traditional Christianity, you do things like fasting, confession, and prayer. Your view on this seems to almost be Baptist, and I don't know how you got exposed to that, but Baptists are a tiny minority of Christians and have basically no historical link to early Christianity, so I wouldn't recommend basing your theological understanding of the Christian idea of sin on them.

I'm only going by what's said and shown, and what is shown is that if you accept Jesus, you are forgiven for your sins.

It's so simple, yet you seem to have such trouble with this idea.

What does "accept Jesus" mean if not repenting of your sins and "go[ing] and sin[ing] no more"?

[Washington Resistance Army]

No, you aren't. Everytime you sin, you have to repent, because every sin is rejecting Christ. This is why in traditional Christianity, you do things like fasting, confession, and prayer. Your view on this seems to almost be Baptist, and I don't know how you got exposed to that, but Baptists are a tiny minority of Christians and have basically no historical link to early Christianity, so I wouldn't recommend basing your theological understanding of the Christian idea of sin on them.

I'm only going by what's said and shown, and what is shown is that if you accept Jesus, you are forgiven for your sins.

It's so simple, yet you seem to have such trouble with this idea.

UMN isn't the one having trouble with this.

[New haven america]

Multiple gay males have had biological children through In Vetro or through Surrogates. Also, multiple lesbians have had their own kids.

Being homosexual doesn't make you infertile.

What is so hard to understand about basic genetics? You as a being do not mate with your partner and thus the opposite sex. Do not pass go, do not collect 200$. Humans are more complicated than just that though. Not only is there a genetics front to cover, we must also consider that LGBTs make terrible parents to the point where a single mother is preferable (Would you like studies? I have lots) that in the cultural realm or whatever you may call it that LGBTs are broken as I say. They are also statistically pedophiles and had similar such family members. In the end, I want numbers and all you give me is conjecture and anecdotal cases. What about the billions of straight scientists and innovators? We don't have to nitpick for those.

You are mad and defensive because this issue burrows straight to your heart and at best you show a innate disdain for children.

You do know you can pass on your genes without having to mate with a partner, right? Sperm donors and Surrogates exist for a reason.

Actually, LGBT people have been proven to have almost no difference compared to straight parents when it comes to raising kids, in fact, some psychologists and sociologist even think LGBT might be better at raising kids than straight people. (I can get you sources if you want)

Um, I'm only going by scientific evidence, I actually don't mind kids, so yeah...

[Mechanisburg]

Multiple gay males have had biological children through In Vetro or through Surrogates. Also, multiple lesbians have had their own kids.

Being homosexual doesn't make you infertile.

What is so hard to understand about basic genetics? You as a being do not mate with your partner and thus the opposite sex. Do not pass go, do not collect 200$. Humans are more complicated than just that though. Not only is there a genetics front to cover, we must also consider that LGBTs make terrible parents to the point where a single mother is preferable (Would you like studies? I have lots) that in the cultural realm or whatever you may call it that LGBTs are broken as I say. They are also statistically pedophiles and had similar such family members. In the end, I want numbers and all you give me is conjecture and anecdotal cases. What about the billions of straight scientists and innovators? We don't have to nitpick for those.

You are mad and defensive because this issue burrows straight to your heart and at best you show a innate disdain for children.

[citation needed] on "basic genetics"

'cuz hey, do you know some homos even reproduce? It doesn't make you sterile, just unwilling. Also, us lesbians only require a vial of sperm to do that. Also, hint: if your argument hinges on "basic genetics" you might want to revise it.

[citation needed] on "terrible parents, to the point where a single mother is preferable"

So much [citation needed] it's not even funny by now. You say "I have lots", but never actually supported your claims. Also, and I'm going to say it now: I want studies, repeated, modern, from unbiased sources (no Linacre Quarterly nor any other religious "scientific" papers), supporting your claim. This means no "single-parent families are bad", no "some homosexual people are paedophiles", no "had similar (homosexual) family members" as that being a problem is what you have to prove in the first place.

Also, maybe you'll be happy knowing that, in a little while, both female sperm and male ova will be available. So your much-vaunted reproduction, on which you peg the importance of the life of every human being, will be available to everyone, regardless of who they bump uglies with.

Rejoice.

[New haven america]

I'm only going by what's said and shown, and what is shown is that if you accept Jesus, you are forgiven for your sins.

It's so simple, yet you seem to have such trouble with this idea.

What does "accept Jesus" mean if not repenting of your sins and "go[ing] and sin[ing] no more"?

By accepting Jesus, you repent your sins and receive Eternal Forgiveness, past, present, and future.

I'm making this as simple as possible, it's not a difficult concept to understand.

[United Muscovite Nations]

What does "accept Jesus" mean if not repenting of your sins and "go[ing] and sin[ing] no more"?

By accepting Jesus, you repent your sins and receive Eternal Forgiveness, past, present, and future.

I'm making this as simple as possible, it's not a difficult concept to understand.

You have it backward, is what I am telling you. You can't repent of sins you haven't committed yet.

[Vigilante justice]

What does "accept Jesus" mean if not repenting of your sins and "go[ing] and sin[ing] no more"?

By accepting Jesus, you repent your sins and receive Eternal Forgiveness, past, present, and future.

I'm making this as simple as possible, it's not a difficult concept to understand.

OMG (excuse the pun) that is not what happens! We went through this. Where even are your citations?

[New haven america]

By accepting Jesus, you repent your sins and receive Eternal Forgiveness, past, present, and future.

I'm making this as simple as possible, it's not a difficult concept to understand.

You have it backward, is what I am telling you. You can't repent of sins you haven't committed yet.

But by accepting Jesus, you are being forgiven for your sins.

I feel like I'm starting to become a broken record, why don't you spent some time to mull over this, K?

[United Muscovite Nations]

You have it backward, is what I am telling you. You can't repent of sins you haven't committed yet.

But by accepting Jesus, you are being forgiven for your sins.

I feel like I'm starting to become a broken record, why don't you spent some time to mull over this, K?

Yeah, the sins you have already committed. If you sin again, you have to repent of those sins as well. In fact, in Christian teachings, it is much worse for a Christian to sin than for a non-Christian to sin. That is why we say, in prayer, something to the affect of "I have surpassed all men in sin, for I was not sinning in ignorance"

[Mechanisburg]

But by accepting Jesus, you are being forgiven for your sins.

I feel like I'm starting to become a broken record, why don't you spent some time to mull over this, K?

Yeah, the sins you have already committed. If you sin again, you have to repent of those sins as well. In fact, in Christian teachings, it is much worse for a Christian to sin than for a non-Christian to sin. That is why we say, in prayer, something to the affect of "I have surpassed all men in sin, for I was not sinning in ignorance"

Considering how your god treats sinners, maybe it'd be for the best if we sealed knowledge of sin and christianity and treated it as a Keter-level memetic hazard.

Also, isn't he supposed to be all-just, "repent and don't worry" or something? A lot of people did the whole repentance shtick on their deathbed, and current dogma, according to my old catechism, is that you don't even need that as you will be able to do it in purgatory.

[Karvelia]

What is so hard to understand about basic genetics? You as a being do not mate with your partner and thus the opposite sex. Do not pass go, do not collect 200$. Humans are more complicated than just that though. Not only is there a genetics front to cover, we must also consider that LGBTs make terrible parents to the point where a single mother is preferable (Would you like studies? I have lots) that in the cultural realm or whatever you may call it that LGBTs are broken as I say. They are also statistically pedophiles and had similar such family members. In the end, I want numbers and all you give me is conjecture and anecdotal cases. What about the billions of straight scientists and innovators? We don't have to nitpick for those.

You are mad and defensive because this issue burrows straight to your heart and at best you show a innate disdain for children.

[citation needed] on "basic genetics"

'cuz hey, do you know some homos even reproduce? It doesn't make you sterile, just unwilling. Also, us lesbians only require a vial of sperm to do that. Also, hint: if your argument hinges on "basic genetics" you might want to revise it.

[citation needed] on "terrible parents, to the point where a single mother is preferable"

So much [citation needed] it's not even funny by now. You say "I have lots", but never actually supported your claims. Also, and I'm going to say it now: I want studies, repeated, modern, from unbiased sources (no Linacre Quarterly nor any other religious "scientific" papers), supporting your claim. This means no "single-parent families are bad", no "some homosexual people are paedophiles", no "had similar (homosexual) family members" as that being a problem is what you have to prove in the first place.

Also, maybe you'll be happy knowing that, in a little while, both female sperm and male ova will be available. So your much-vaunted reproduction, on which you peg the importance of the life of every human being, will be available to everyone, regardless of who they bump uglies with.

Rejoice.

This discussion is clearly a waste of time. You know, in my corner of the states we have a saying. "If they don't have a job they don't have an opinion." Have fun with the pro-trans circle jerk in here little NEET tranny.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

And without your life your beliefs are just nothing but words others have said and plenty have rejected, so it doesn't really matter what you believe if you're dead.

I mean, if you really want to put your beliefs that far ahead of everything else, then I echo the earlier suggestion to join a clergy. But having children is a bad idea.

I don't agree with that because I'm not a deist. I think the beliefs are true: That there is one God, the Father Almighty, maker of Heaven and Earth and of all things visible and invisible. And so on as the creed describes.

Yea yea.

Again, if you feel so compelled to put your faith above everything else, the clergy has a place for you.

Again, there's no need to raise a child if you don't feel like making a commitment to be loyal to them.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I don't agree with that because I'm not a deist. I think the beliefs are true: That there is one God, the Father Almighty, maker of Heaven and Earth and of all things visible and invisible. And so on as the creed describes.

Yea yea.

Again, if you feel so compelled to put your faith above everything else, the clergy has a place for you.

Again, there's no need to raise a child if you don't feel like making a commitment to be loyal to them.

Orthodox priests marry, and I prefer it that way.