Do you think LGBTs will eventually be all rounded up?

[Vigilante justice]

I don't agree with that because I'm not a deist. I think the beliefs are true: That there is one God, the Father Almighty, maker of Heaven and Earth and of all things visible and invisible. And so on as the creed describes.

And if you actually followed the teachings and life lessons of Jesus, you'd know that humanity (At least Jesus followers, anyway) are eternally forgiven for all since, it's kinda why he was crucified, so that humanity can be eternally forgiven.

Hence, using Christianity to argue why homosexuality is wrong is honestly silly at best. Don't feel bad about that though (Since most people don't seem to understand what "Eternal Forgiveness" means) but instead, try to change your ways and become more accepting of your fellow people.

I don't think you are too educated in what you're speaking of, "Young One". This is the kinda stuff I've been learning forever now.

[Mechanisburg]

I'm not going to quote Mechanisburg, it would make my post huge but it raised a giant spark in my mind. Sure, homosexuality isn't classified as a disorder by, well... social "scientists". However, let's look at this from a far more scientific basis.

In ye olden tymes- you would ABSOLUTELY require more farm hands to run your plot of serf/peasant land. Thus, the only way and still the only way to get more labor that is somewhat loyal and also produces more of your genes (granted with some mixture from someone who is a (maybe not so) very distant cousin because that's how phenotypes work) is to have children. As you get old, the children take over the farm as they too grow and have children.

Note how homosexuals would be trimmed from this process VERY quickly. Do you expect someone else to take care of you in your old age? No way, food is short enough as is, especially given the "Little Ice Age" that throttled northern regions and reduced population until well into the Industrial Revolution. Crop yields were suspected to have dropped from 7+ to 1 seed ratios to as low as 3-1. I believe that your argument for the support of homosexuality comes from decadence that only the modern world could support with it's 30 to 1 crop yields.

This doesn't mean that I support repressing you, I want whatever genetic component that yields LGBTs out of the system as well. If it means using the insane output of the modern system to let you go and live a fruitless life, I'm perfectly fine with that.

I'm sure that homosexuality would never be a mental illness given the "community's" absurd suicide rate, STD rate, promiscuity and drug addiction. /sarc
I can provide PLENTY of sources for that claim as well if you so desire.

Fruitless life?

Has no homosexual person, ever, contributed to science? Oh, wait, Turing.

Any trans person... oh. Hey, Sophie Wilson designed the ARM instruction set.

Has no LGBT* person, ever, contributed to the arts? What about the Matrix, from the Wachowski sisters?

No LGBT* person, ever, on the battlefield? No-one of us was ever a doctor, a nurse, a teacher, a preacher, a researcher, a mom, a dad, a babysitter?

Oh, but sorry, the worth of a person only comes from how many goblins they can drop from their crotch. Silly me. And surely complex things like homosexuality, sexual attraction, and gender identity will have a single, easy-to-"treat" cause, and won't stem from normal human variance.

Edit: And surely, "homosexuality was trimmed" and not, say, not accepted and shoved in the shadows, twisting your perception of this phenomenon as to make you say "there are more homos around".

[Vigilante justice]

I'm not going to quote Mechanisburg, it would make my post huge but it raised a giant spark in my mind. Sure, homosexuality isn't classified as a disorder by, well... social "scientists". However, let's look at this from a far more scientific basis.

In ye olden tymes- you would ABSOLUTELY require more farm hands to run your plot of serf/peasant land. Thus, the only way and still the only way to get more labor that is somewhat loyal and also produces more of your genes (granted with some mixture from someone who is a (maybe not so) very distant cousin because that's how phenotypes work) is to have children. As you get old, the children take over the farm as they too grow and have children.

Note how homosexuals would be trimmed from this process VERY quickly. Do you expect someone else to take care of you in your old age? No way, food is short enough as is, especially given the "Little Ice Age" that throttled northern regions and reduced population until well into the Industrial Revolution. Crop yields were suspected to have dropped from 7+ to 1 seed ratios to as low as 3-1. I believe that your argument for the support of homosexuality comes from decadence that only the modern world could support with it's 30 to 1 crop yields.

This doesn't mean that I support repressing you, I want whatever genetic component that yields LGBTs out of the system as well. If it means using the insane output of the modern system to let you go and live a fruitless life, I'm perfectly fine with that.

I'm sure that homosexuality would never be a mental illness given the "community's" absurd suicide rate, STD rate, promiscuity and drug addiction. /sarc
I can provide PLENTY of sources for that claim as well if you so desire.

Fruitless life?

Has no homosexual person, ever, contributed to science? Oh, wait, Turing.

Any trans person... oh. Hey, Sophie Wilson designed the ARM instruction set.

Has no LGBT* person, ever, contributed to the arts? What about the Matrix, from the Wachowski sisters?

No LGBT* person, ever, on the battlefield? No-one of us was ever a doctor, a nurse, a teacher, a preacher, a researcher, a mom, a dad, a babysitter?

Oh, but sorry, the worth of a person only comes from how many goblins they can drop from their crotch. Silly me. And surely complex things like homosexuality, sexual attraction, and gender identity will have a single, easy-to-"treat" cause, and won't stem from normal human variance.

I think he meant not having children by fruitless.

[Karvelia]

[/quote]Are you saying that you can find sources claiming homosexuality to be a mental illness?
If the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Edition 5 (DSM-5), doesn't list homosexuality as a mental illness, then it is not a mental illness.[/quote]

I'm not concerned with the DSM, I'm speaking from a brutally sarcastic and evolutionary perspective. As a human, if you are not inclined to reproduce, you are broken. That is what nature decided and now that humanity has established a system where nature has little say, people are further forgetting these basic facts.

[United Muscovite Nations]

We're forgiven for what we ask repentance for. The crucifixion alone does not give us forgiveness; you have to receive grace through sacraments, but that's a discussion for another thread.

Not really, that's mainly just for show, if you accept Jesus than you will be Eternally Forgiven. So, instead of arguing about why someone living a different life than you is evil for something they have no control over, why not try accepting them and making peace with your brothers and sisters?

While yes, this is a discussion for another thread, you keep bringing up homosexuality and religion, so I felt that it needed to be pointed out.

I smell Calvinism.

Also, accepting Christ would require accepting His teachings, among which, was that homosexuality was wrong.

[New haven america]

And if you actually followed the teachings and life lessons of Jesus, you'd know that humanity (At least Jesus followers, anyway) are eternally forgiven for all since, it's kinda why he was crucified, so that humanity can be eternally forgiven.

Hence, using Christianity to argue why homosexuality is wrong is honestly silly at best. Don't feel bad about that though (Since most people don't seem to understand what "Eternal Forgiveness" means) but instead, try to change your ways and become more accepting of your fellow people.

I don't think you are too educated in what you're speaking of, "Young One". This is the kinda stuff I've been learning forever now.

This, coming from the person who confused Gender Dysphoria and Homosexuality.

What's next, Bipolar Disorder is the same thing as Schizophrenia?

[Mechanisburg]

Fruitless life?

Has no homosexual person, ever, contributed to science? Oh, wait, Turing.

Any trans person... oh. Hey, Sophie Wilson designed the ARM instruction set.

Has no LGBT* person, ever, contributed to the arts? What about the Matrix, from the Wachowski sisters?

No LGBT* person, ever, on the battlefield? No-one of us was ever a doctor, a nurse, a teacher, a preacher, a researcher, a mom, a dad, a babysitter?

Oh, but sorry, the worth of a person only comes from how many goblins they can drop from their crotch. Silly me. And surely complex things like homosexuality, sexual attraction, and gender identity will have a single, easy-to-"treat" cause, and won't stem from normal human variance.

I think he meant not having children by fruitless.

Yes.

It was a very long-winded way to point out how calling someone's life "fruitless" because they didn't have children is utter and complete crap.

[The Black Forrest]

Not really, that's mainly just for show, if you accept Jesus than you will be Eternally Forgiven. So, instead of arguing about why someone living a different life than you is evil for something they have no control over, why not try accepting them and making peace with your brothers and sisters?

While yes, this is a discussion for another thread, you keep bringing up homosexuality and religion, so I felt that it needed to be pointed out.

I smell Calvinism.

Also, accepting Christ would require accepting His teachings, among which, was that homosexuality was wrong.

Why do you want to smell Calvin?

Also where did Jesus say homosexuals were wrong?

[Mechanisburg]

Not really, that's mainly just for show, if you accept Jesus than you will be Eternally Forgiven. So, instead of arguing about why someone living a different life than you is evil for something they have no control over, why not try accepting them and making peace with your brothers and sisters?

While yes, this is a discussion for another thread, you keep bringing up homosexuality and religion, so I felt that it needed to be pointed out.

I smell Calvinism.

Also, accepting Christ would require accepting His teachings, among which, was that homosexuality was wrong.

[citation needed]

In the vangels he only said he hates figs.

[New haven america]

Not really, that's mainly just for show, if you accept Jesus than you will be Eternally Forgiven. So, instead of arguing about why someone living a different life than you is evil for something they have no control over, why not try accepting them and making peace with your brothers and sisters?

While yes, this is a discussion for another thread, you keep bringing up homosexuality and religion, so I felt that it needed to be pointed out.

I smell Calvinism.

Also, accepting Christ would require accepting His teachings, among which, was that homosexuality was wrong.

Right, which is where Eternal Forgiveness comes in. You are Eternally Forgiven, no questions asked.

Also, where did he say Homosexuality is wrong?

[Valgora]

Are you saying that you can find sources claiming homosexuality to be a mental illness?
If the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Edition 5 (DSM-5), doesn't list homosexuality as a mental illness, then it is not a mental illness.

I'm not concerned with the DSM, I'm speaking from a brutally sarcastic and evolutionary perspective. As a human, if you are not inclined to reproduce, you are broken. That is what nature decided and now that humanity has established a system where nature has little say, people are further forgetting these basic facts.

No, you should be concerned with the what the DSM says if you mention mental illnesses.

And a homosexual is just attracted to the same sex. While they can't have children with their preferred sex, they can still have children. Now, in modern times, you can adopt to have children.

[Vigilante justice]

I don't think you are too educated in what you're speaking of, "Young One". This is the kinda stuff I've been learning forever now.

This, coming from the person who confused Gender Dysphoria and Homosexuality.

What's next, Bipolar Disorder is the same thing as Schizophrenia?

That was my point. A lot of times when people try to step on turf they don't know much about, they say stupid stuff, because they're knew to the subject. You think i'm very educated on mental illnesses? Trust me, that's not my specialty.

[Sfantul Imperiu Roman]

Maybe, it's happening in Chechnya.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I smell Calvinism.

Also, accepting Christ would require accepting His teachings, among which, was that homosexuality was wrong.

Why do you want to smell Calvin?

Also where did Jesus say homosexuals were wrong?

He maintained that Jewish moral law was correct, He never deviated from it except in cases where the reason behind the bans was misunderstood. Moreover, His students all maintained that homosexuality was wrong, so we can only assume that He believed it was wrong.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I smell Calvinism.

Also, accepting Christ would require accepting His teachings, among which, was that homosexuality was wrong.

Why do you want to smell Calvin?

Also where did Jesus say homosexuals were wrong?

There's a few parts in the NT that talks about homosexuality being a sin, and IIRC Jesus cites Genesis during a discussion on marriage at some point so it's pretty safe to assume he wasn't down with homosexuality.

[New haven america]

This, coming from the person who confused Gender Dysphoria and Homosexuality.

What's next, Bipolar Disorder is the same thing as Schizophrenia?

That was my point. A lot of times when people try to step on turf they don't know much about, they say stupid stuff, because they're knew to the subject. You think i'm very educated on mental illnesses? Trust me, that's not my specialty.

Then why were you trying to argue that it was a mental illness to begin with?

[United Muscovite Nations]

I smell Calvinism.

Also, accepting Christ would require accepting His teachings, among which, was that homosexuality was wrong.

Right, which is where Eternal Forgiveness comes in. You are Eternally Forgiven, no questions asked.

Also, where did he say Homosexuality is wrong?

You are eternally forgiven for sins you repent of. If you don't repent of your sins, and maintain your correctness over that of the Lord, you will not be forgiven, because you are not really asking for forgiveness.

[The Black Forrest]

Why do you want to smell Calvin?

Also where did Jesus say homosexuals were wrong?

He maintained that Jewish moral law was correct, He never deviated from it except in cases where the reason behind the bans was misunderstood. Moreover, His students all maintained that homosexuality was wrong, so we can only assume that He believed it was wrong.

He didn't have any quotes

And on that matter. Name a student and a comment where they said homosexuals are wrong.

[Vigilante justice]

I think he meant not having children by fruitless.

Yes.

It was a very long-winded way to point out how calling someone's life "fruitless" because they didn't have children is utter and complete crap.

Ah. I see now.

But "fruit" was talking about children, not acts. Lot's of gay people have produced awesome things, but none have probably ever had a child, or it's very rare at least.

[Mechanisburg]

Are you saying that you can find sources claiming homosexuality to be a mental illness?
If the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Edition 5 (DSM-5), doesn't list homosexuality as a mental illness, then it is not a mental illness.

I'm not concerned with the DSM, I'm speaking from a brutally sarcastic and evolutionary perspective. As a human, if you are not inclined to reproduce, you are broken. That is what nature decided and now that humanity has established a system where nature has little say, people are further forgetting these basic facts.

Nature is kinda sorta completely, totally, utterly irrelevant.

Nature led to homosexuality developing in the first place, and homosexuality is present in your loved nature in such animals as penguins and bonobos, who never got to establish such a system. But gay penguins adopt babies, and grow them, and thus contribute to the flock.

Bonobos just fuck each other and don't care.

Also.

As a human, if you are not inclined to reproduce, you are broken.

Bullshit.

According tho whom? You decided reproduction is fundamental, because nature certainly doesn't care. Neither nature nor evolution have an aim, nor this inexistent aim has to be fulfilled to not be "broken".

[Valgora]

Maybe, it's happening in Chechnya.

Hey, if Chechnya can do it, why not America?

Because here in the US the gays have guns

[New haven america]

Right, which is where Eternal Forgiveness comes in. You are Eternally Forgiven, no questions asked.

Also, where did he say Homosexuality is wrong?

You are eternally forgiven for sins you repent of. If you don't repent of your sins, and maintain your correctness over that of the Lord, you will not be forgiven, because you are not really asking for forgiveness.

But by accepting Jesus you're already repenting and being forgiven for your sins.

Get it yet?

[United Muscovite Nations]

He maintained that Jewish moral law was correct, He never deviated from it except in cases where the reason behind the bans was misunderstood. Moreover, His students all maintained that homosexuality was wrong, so we can only assume that He believed it was wrong.

He didn't have any quotes

And on that matter. Name a student and a comment where they said homosexuals are wrong.

It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood.[2] For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath. (Acts 15:19–21)

Quoting the Apostle James, Stepbrother of Christ.

[United Muscovite Nations]

You are eternally forgiven for sins you repent of. If you don't repent of your sins, and maintain your correctness over that of the Lord, you will not be forgiven, because you are not really asking for forgiveness.

But by accepting Jesus you're already repenting and being forgiven for your sins.

Get it yet?

Repenting your sins is how you accept Christ.

[Karvelia]

Are you saying that you can find sources claiming homosexuality to be a mental illness?
If the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Edition 5 (DSM-5), doesn't list homosexuality as a mental illness, then it is not a mental illness.

I'm not concerned with the DSM, I'm speaking from a brutally sarcastic and evolutionary perspective. As a human, if you are not inclined to reproduce, you are broken. That is what nature decided and now that humanity has established a system where nature has little say, people are further forgetting these basic facts.[/quote]

No, you should be concerned with the what the DSM says if you mention mental illnesses.

And a homosexual is just attracted to the same sex. While they can't have children with their preferred sex, they can still have children. Now, in modern times, you can adopt to have children.[/quote]

Adopting is not continuing your genes. That is simple. However, as I can see, I've severely "triggered" our resident trans, so any further discussion is (heh) as fruitless as their life. The LGBTs are free to do their little thing, it just so happens that their genes do not benefit from any discovery that they make. I don't care that I'm "blind to trans issues" because at most trans should be a minute slice of the population and as Mechanis' own description goes, a useless feature of existence.