Agathyr wrote:I'll make it your way but it's a pain in the ass to reply this way, I'll screw up the quotations and it's your fault
Your inability to format is not my problem or my fault.
Arcturus Novus wrote: Nobody is actually claiming that conservatives will forcibly incarcerate LGBT people. OP suggested that this may be the logical conclusion to conservative homophobia, but never said that this was strictly what conservatives want. That in and of itself is, ironically, a strawman.
Saying it's the logical conclusion to" conservative homophobia" is totally not a fallacy aswell. You are one step away from saying conservatives secretly want to gas gay people. No wait, you just said its the LOGICAL conclusion so you pretty much said it already. And now you will say you didn't and this is a strawman right? Fun game.
btw I tried to explain in my post why this is not the logical conclusion to conservative "homophobia" in fact I implied that in many cases there is no such homophobia.
Did you actually read what I said? "OP suggested... but never said that this was strictly what conservatives want." You're only reading what you want to read.
God forbid that marginalised people ever seek social/legal equality or reparations for past wrongdoings.
Who marginalises LGBT people again? This is the kind of victimhood some people are wearied of putting up with. Life is tough for everyone. We all have special circumstances but some groups and yell more than others and shout: LOOK AT US WE ARE THE VICTIMS!!! Have some self-respect, please. Stop acting like others owe you something. "Reparations" and "equality" are buzzwords. The bread and butter of SJW.
It's illegal to be gay or trans in multiple nations across the world. Until 2003, being gay was illegal in 13 states. The US vice president has given funding toward conversion therapy, which is proven to be ineffective and harmful. It isn't victimhood. It's actual, warranted fear. And since when is "equality" a buzzword? Equality is a fundamental principle of Western society.
Except this actually happens. Employees in right-to-work states can fire anyone for any reason; this can extend to simply being a racial or sexual minority.
Good. Anyone should be free to fire whoever they want. I don't leave in a country as free as yours sadly.
An employer should have a damned good reason to fire an employee. Otherwise, that's just oppression of the worker.
Why is levelling the playing field a bad thing? Are all men not created equal? Do people not deserve equality?
Because this is not a game, this is life. And no, we are not created equal! We should be equal before the law but we are here to be individuals not to depend on others, because that goes against the very nature of existence. And if the government interferes is like literally forcing someone else to carry part of your weight, which if anything is something people should do voluntarily, not forced. What a kindergarten a state is if "equality" is forced down our throats like that.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal." -Thomas Jefferson
The concept of equality among everyone is hardly new. It isn't some radical SJW nonsense. It's basic human decency. Some people genuinely need more support than others.
To be fair, the government is kinda created to serve the people, so it'd make sense that it's laws benefit all people.
Kind of but also we are all equal before the law not
through the law but
before the law. Or that's how it should be because one thing is not being equal by nature and other is to institutionalise discrimination which is what making laws for your particular benefit would be. Even if it's to level the playing field, which again, it's an expression because this is not a game, it's life.
There would be no institutionalized discrimination. That's precisely what equity-based legislation eliminates.
We don't want "privileges." We mostly just wanna be recognised as people. Sure, I'd personally like if the government helped pay for my gender reassignment surgery, but that doesn't trump the "being treated as people" thing yet.
I wasn't aware you weren't recognised as people. I must be very blind about the problems the LGBT community suffer in 1st world countries. Either that or you are exaggerating.
As a transgender woman, my life expectancy in the US is 30 years, tops. We have higher rates of death by suicide and homicide than almost any other demographic in America. I have seen people evicted, beaten, raped, and killed because of who they are. So yes, you are blind to our issues.
Again, no special laws, we just don't want to be treated as second-class citizens just because we're not straight and/or cis.
Stop the victimism! Seriously, all your arguments are based on the fact that you are being denied rights which if you live in a 1st world country is not true except perhaps the right to get married which you should have but then again if a priest doesn't want to marry a gay couple he shouldn't be forced to do so.
I can legally be fired for being a trans woman in roughly 20 US states. People can deny me housing. Police are more likely to profile me. I'm more likely to be forced into prostitution. Legally, I'm not your equal.