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Soldati Senza Confini wrote:

United Muscovite Nations wrote:If they completely disregard everything I have taught them, then I could consider that a betrayal.

Only if all you're going to teach them is how not to be raging, flaming homos.

And if that's all you're going to teach them then I hope you do succeed at at least not having homosexual kids.

It wouldn't be that they are homosexual, it would be that they would disregard my entire moral system to justify their perversions.

United Muscovite Nations wrote:

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
You can only do so much, though.

You can raise them to be good kids and all, but if they fuck up, they fuck up.

Now, there is a difference between fucking up and a betrayal, but that's not what you're talking about, here.

If they completely disregard everything I have taught them, then I could consider that a betrayal.

You do not own your child. You have no right to feel betrayed.

United Muscovite Nations wrote:

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
You can only do so much, though.

You can raise them to be good kids and all, but if they fuck up, they fuck up.

Now, there is a difference between fucking up and a betrayal, but that's not what you're talking about, here.

If they completely disregard everything I have taught them, then I could consider that a betrayal.

Given that what you are attempting to teach them is in fact a betrayal of the obligations of a parent to a child I would claim you broke loyalty first.

United Muscovite Nations wrote:It wouldn't be that they are homosexual, it would be that they would disregard my entire moral system to justify their perversions.

Your moral system is not going to be theirs.

My belief system is similar to my dad's, but where he and I differ are huge gaps where I am more conservative or I am more liberal than he is.

Your entire moral system is not going to be compromised just because they decided to sleep with someone their own sex.

United Muscovite Nations wrote:

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Only if all you're going to teach them is how not to be raging, flaming homos.

And if that's all you're going to teach them then I hope you do succeed at at least not having homosexual kids.

It wouldn't be that they are homosexual, it would be that they would disregard my entire moral system to justify their perversions.

At the cost of the mental health and well being of your child. At the cost of the life of your child. Oh and who new your entire moral system had to do with not having sex with some of the same sex.

Lancaster of Wessex wrote:

United Muscovite Nations wrote:If they completely disregard everything I have taught them, then I could consider that a betrayal.

You do not own your child. You have no right to feel betrayed.

I mean there are certain reasons why you should feel betrayed. Like, for instance, your child sleeping with your wife. It kind of is a betrayal of trust.

But ignoring my moral system? Nah, as long as they're loyal to me and they show me respect I am okay with it if they have a different viewpoint than I do.

Waylon Skinner wrote:I'm actually conservative in a lot of areas, but sometimes I wonder this. It seems that conservatives are upset with LGBT people being in society, to the point where they want them out of society. But the only why that's ever going to happen is if we rounded up all the "homosex'ls" and put them in concentration camps. Do you think this can be the ultimate goal for those who oppose LGBT or look at them with suspicion?

Oh, we know some say they can't be homophobic, but I don't know if these claims are really true.

Such a weird but good question. The answer is no. There won't be enough time to spend so much infrastructure into JUST that.

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:

United Muscovite Nations wrote:It wouldn't be that they are homosexual, it would be that they would disregard my entire moral system to justify their perversions.

Your moral system is not going to be theirs.

My belief system is similar to my dad's, but where he and I differ are huge gaps where I am more conservative or I am more liberal than he is.

Your entire moral system is not going to be compromised just because they decided to sleep with someone their own sex.

It would be, because my moral system forbids homosexuality.

Me, personally, I do lean right, but I think that's an outrageous thing to do. Granted, my coordinates say I don't lean far right, but I am still conservative. They are (1.25, -.56).

United Muscovite Nations wrote:

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Your moral system is not going to be theirs.

My belief system is similar to my dad's, but where he and I differ are huge gaps where I am more conservative or I am more liberal than he is.

Your entire moral system is not going to be compromised just because they decided to sleep with someone their own sex.

It would be, because my moral system forbids homosexuality.

I mean, that's just one point of your moral system out of, like, 50,000+ different positions you have to take over your lifetime in regards of morals.

Your moral system can live.

United Muscovite Nations wrote:

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Your moral system is not going to be theirs.

My belief system is similar to my dad's, but where he and I differ are huge gaps where I am more conservative or I am more liberal than he is.

Your entire moral system is not going to be compromised just because they decided to sleep with someone their own sex.

It would be, because my moral system forbids homosexuality.

Oh okay. So they aren't actually your children, but mini-You's. THAT's why your moral system would be compromised when you yourself are not homosexual. I get it now...


(Do I need to add /s here?)

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:

United Muscovite Nations wrote:It would be, because my moral system forbids homosexuality.

I mean, that's just one point of your moral system out of, like, 50,000+ different positions you have to take over your lifetime in regards of morals.

Your moral system can live.

They are forbidden for the same reason that every other position is forbidden. If you disregard one, there is no reason to not disregard them all.

Yes, I do believe with people such as Mike Pence as the Vice President of the US, it's only a matter of time before we go back to torturing LGBT folk into something they are not.

United Muscovite Nations wrote:

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
I mean, that's just one point of your moral system out of, like, 50,000+ different positions you have to take over your lifetime in regards of morals.

Your moral system can live.

They are forbidden for the same reason that every other position is forbidden. If you disregard one, there is no reason to not disregard them all.

Or they could have a different opinion on what god wants/thinks.

United Muscovite Nations wrote:

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Your moral system is not going to be theirs.

My belief system is similar to my dad's, but where he and I differ are huge gaps where I am more conservative or I am more liberal than he is.

Your entire moral system is not going to be compromised just because they decided to sleep with someone their own sex.

It would be, because my moral system forbids homosexuality.

Sounds like you need a better moral system, tbh.

Lutherah wrote:Yes, I do believe with people such as Mike Pence as the Vice President of the US, it's only a matter of time before we go back to torturing LGBT folk into something they are not.

Yes...because that is already happening.

Everywhere.

United Muscovite Nations wrote:

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
I mean, that's just one point of your moral system out of, like, 50,000+ different positions you have to take over your lifetime in regards of morals.

Your moral system can live.

They are forbidden for the same reason that every other position is forbidden. If you disregard one, there is no reason to not disregard them all.

Eh, no, that's not actually the case.

See, what you're trying to do here is saying you're willing to go as far as to control your child's thoughts in any matter to be exactly like yours. That just doesn't happen in reality. You'll have to learn how to compromise as a parent. If you can't compromise, don't be a parent. It's simple. We don't need everyone fucking to survive as a species, and if you are not willing to put up the commitment to have children, then just don't. Be celibate, or better yet, just be part of the clergy.

The world's not missing out on you not having children.

Neo Balka wrote:

Lutherah wrote:Yes, I do believe with people such as Mike Pence as the Vice President of the US, it's only a matter of time before we go back to torturing LGBT folk into something they are not.

Yes...because that is already happening.

Everywhere.

Uh... No its not. And in my city I'm safe from any such action. The governor and mayor would never allow it.

San Lumen wrote:

Neo Balka wrote:
Yes...because that is already happening.

Everywhere.

Uh... No its not. And in my city I'm safe from any such action. The governor and mayor would never allow it.

Neo Balka was being sarcastic.

San Lumen wrote:

Neo Balka wrote:
Yes...because that is already happening.

Everywhere.

Uh... No its not. And in my city I'm safe from any such action. The governor and mayor would never allow it.

No....the right wing death safety squads are outside of your house ready to take you to the facility.

Welcome to 2017.

Neo Balka wrote:

Lutherah wrote:Yes, I do believe with people such as Mike Pence as the Vice President of the US, it's only a matter of time before we go back to torturing LGBT folk into something they are not.

Yes...because that is already happening.

Everywhere.

It's only a matter of time, we need to resist the rising regression in the world.

Hashirajima wrote:

United Muscovite Nations wrote:It would be, because my moral system forbids homosexuality.

Oh okay. So they aren't actually your children, but mini-You's. THAT's why your moral system would be compromised when you yourself are not homosexual. I get it now...


(Do I need to add /s here?)

Well I mean, it was obvious sarcasm, but it doesn't hurt

San Lumen wrote:

Neo Balka wrote:
Yes...because that is already happening.

Everywhere.

Uh... No its not. And in my city I'm safe from any such action. The governor and mayor would never allow it.

They could just tell the governor or mayor you have a 30 round Pmag and they'd let Pence take you away.

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:

Hashirajima wrote:Oh okay. So they aren't actually your children, but mini-You's. THAT's why your moral system would be compromised when you yourself are not homosexual. I get it now...


(Do I need to add /s here?)

Well I mean, it was obvious sarcasm, but it doesn't hurt

Text isn't the optimal medium for tone of voice.

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:

United Muscovite Nations wrote:They are forbidden for the same reason that every other position is forbidden. If you disregard one, there is no reason to not disregard them all.

Eh, no, that's not actually the case.

See, what you're trying to do here is saying you're willing to go as far as to control your child's thoughts in any matter to be exactly like yours. That just doesn't happen in reality. You'll have to learn how to compromise as a parent. If you can't compromise, don't be a parent. It's simple. We don't need everyone fucking to survive as a species, and if you are not willing to put up the commitment to have children, then just don't. Be celibate, or better yet, just be part of the clergy.

The world's not missing out on you not having children.

I am plenty willing to take commitment for children. I just don't think that involves sacrificing everything I believe at the altar of good feelings.