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Postby Arcturus Novus » Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:08 pm

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Do you really think you can make your children do whatever you think is right?

I mean hell, my dad was a hardass and look how my family turned out. What makes you think you can control them to such an extent?

I hope I could convince them; if I don't, and they turn out poorly, then I would think I would have failed as a parent.

Children are still people. They're entitled to the formation of their own ideas and opinions. Unique views on their part does not constitute failure on your part. If anything, it just shows how you've raised a smart, inquisitive, and capable member of society.
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Postby Kannap » Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:09 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
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Do you really think you can make your children do whatever you think is right?

I mean hell, my dad was a hardass and look how my family turned out. What makes you think you can control them to such an extent?

I hope I could convince them; if I don't, and they turn out poorly, then I would think I would have failed as a parent.


I always thought God's unconditional love of us was supposed to be the role model for our unconditional lpve towards our children.

If my kid ever tells me they're gay, I'm going to love them as I always loved them. Also because they're born that way and can't help it and I'd be the most bigoted person to reject my child for being gay.
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Postby Kannap » Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:10 pm

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Postby Neutraligon » Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:10 pm

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United Muscovite Nations wrote:I hope I could convince them; if I don't, and they turn out poorly, then I would think I would have failed as a parent.


I always thought God's unconditional love of us was supposed to be the role model for our unconditional lpve towards our children.

If my kid ever tells me they're gay, I'm going to love them as I always loved them. Also because they're born that way and can't help it and I'd be the most bigoted person to reject my child for being gay.

Not sure this is the right place but, I have never seen god's love as unconditional, in fact it seems to me god's love is very conditional particularly in the new testament. As to the OP, why would they be? Also, rounding up people who are interested in the same sex seems like a very silly idea to me.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:12 pm

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United Muscovite Nations wrote:I hope I could convince them; if I don't, and they turn out poorly, then I would think I would have failed as a parent.


I always thought God's unconditional love of us was supposed to be the role model for our unconditional lpve towards our children.

If my kid ever tells me they're gay, I'm going to love them as I always loved them. Also because they're born that way and can't help it and I'd be the most bigoted person to reject my child for being gay.

I never said anything about not loving them, just that I would disapprove and not support activities that I find unconscionable.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:15 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
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I always thought God's unconditional love of us was supposed to be the role model for our unconditional lpve towards our children.

If my kid ever tells me they're gay, I'm going to love them as I always loved them. Also because they're born that way and can't help it and I'd be the most bigoted person to reject my child for being gay.

I never said anything about not loving them, just that I would disapprove and not support activities that I find unconscionable.


The bigger question is though what's going to happen if they date and marry someone their own sex/gender?

Like, you know, it's fine if you don't approve, but a lot of parents who think this way end up disowning their children, which is why I ask.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:16 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:I never said anything about not loving them, just that I would disapprove and not support activities that I find unconscionable.


The bigger question is though what's going to happen if they date and marry someone their own sex/gender?

Like, you know, it's fine if you don't approve, but a lot of parents who think this way end up disowning their children, which is why I ask.

At that point, I think they would have to choose what really matters to them.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:18 pm

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Postby Lancaster of Wessex » Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:18 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
The bigger question is though what's going to happen if they date and marry someone their own sex/gender?

Like, you know, it's fine if you don't approve, but a lot of parents who think this way end up disowning their children, which is why I ask.

At that point, I think they would have to choose what really matters to them.


Sounds like an ultimatum of sorts.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:19 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
The bigger question is though what's going to happen if they date and marry someone their own sex/gender?

Like, you know, it's fine if you don't approve, but a lot of parents who think this way end up disowning their children, which is why I ask.

At that point, I think they would have to choose what really matters to them.


See, this is what I don't understand about people who go on about being against homosexuality.

I'm not homosexual, and would prefer for my kids to not be bad people. But if they are homosexual and they fall in love and marry someone, well, that's who they love. It's their life, and as long as my sons or daughters in law are not disrespectful towards the family, they're always welcome.

I wouldn't disown my own child over my religion. It's much rather likely for me to want to protect my kids than for me to put my religion over them.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:21 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
The bigger question is though what's going to happen if they date and marry someone their own sex/gender?

Like, you know, it's fine if you don't approve, but a lot of parents who think this way end up disowning their children, which is why I ask.

At that point, I think they would have to choose what really matters to them.


It's odd that you think there's a choice for them to make but not one for you...
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:22 pm

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United Muscovite Nations wrote:At that point, I think they would have to choose what really matters to them.


Sounds like an ultimatum of sorts.


I mean I would hand my kids an ultimatum of "alright, well, your wife/husband isn't welcome here, so you can come without them, or you can stay away" were their wives/husbands were assholes towards the family.

But that's a very nuanced scenario where, you know, I just don't feel comfortable with putting my foot down and chewing out my in laws and have my kids pissed at me cause I corrected their spouses.
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Postby Dans Terra » Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:22 pm

Industrial Virginia wrote:This is how I think as a religious person. I am completely fine with having LGBT people in society, and giving them equal rights. What I don't like about LGBT is that it's becoming very normalized and almost to the point that you shouldn't be able to tell your children that being gay would not be an ideal. It's become to the point in which if I married someone and had a child, I would be yelled at for telling my child being gay was not in our belief.


How would being gay not be in your belief? That's like not believing in short people, or left handed people. "Sorry, it's different, I can't accept it". Believing in religious freedom, I have to agree you have the right to believe in what you want and to practice what you want within reason; however, believing in personal freedoms, you can't make someone believe who they are isn't normal. I didn't know that religion constituted what was normal, especially with all the tales of incest and murder surrounding many of them. The only thing that will come from trying to control your kids personal life is them either resenting you for the rest of your life or becoming a clone of you and your less than open beliefs. Tell them stealing is wrong? Go for it. Tell them murder is wrong? Why not. Tell them that lying, cheating, even texting while driving is wrong? Yup, go ahead. Tell them that they are wrong for not liking the same pizza toppings or sexes everyone else does? You can say what you want but don't think berating them about who they choose to sleep with is going to change anything. Sexual attraction, be it to the opposite or the same sex isn't a choice (except if you're curious i guess), it all takes place in the brain, with chemical cocktails firing and whatnot. A little religion isn't going to cure them, and if it does they weren't gay in the first place.

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:23 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:At that point, I think they would have to choose what really matters to them.


See, this is what I don't understand about people who go on about being against homosexuality.

I'm not homosexual, and would prefer for my kids to not be bad people. But if they are homosexual and they fall in love and marry someone, well, that's who they love. It's their life, and as long as my sons or daughters in law are not disrespectful towards the family, they're always welcome.

I wouldn't disown my own child over my religion. It's much rather likely for me to want to protect my kids than for me to put my religion over them.

Religion isn't just something you do for fun, it's a worldview. I won't make apologies for not betraying what I believe.
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Postby Agathyr » Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:24 pm

Saying conservatives want to send gays to concentration camps is strawman bullshit.
We live in an age when social justice and feminism have made victimhood a way of life and people are becoming weary of it. For example, if you are gay, woman, or a minority you can say you got fired because of discrimination and ask for laws to be made to "protect" you. The left wing thinks laws must "level the play field" while conservatives have a more individualist concept of life that by the way I share. We are responsible for our own life and nobody owes you anything. When some people demand LGBT right's, what they actually mean are LGBT privileges. You don't need to be conservative to be against this but it usually comes together. I get along with anyone as long as they don't want special laws tailored for them.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:25 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:Religion isn't just something you do for fun, it's a worldview. I won't make apologies for not betraying what I believe.


For your kids, you sometimes have to make concessions about what you believe and what you don't believe in.

Having a child is not for fun either, it's a commitment to them. The moment that child is born, you are bound to be loyal to them through thick and thin. Religion, or not, that's what you're signing up for.

If you are not ready for that sort of commitment towards your kids, whereupon you are willing to put everything on the line for them, don't be a parent.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:25 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
The bigger question is though what's going to happen if they date and marry someone their own sex/gender?

Like, you know, it's fine if you don't approve, but a lot of parents who think this way end up disowning their children, which is why I ask.

At that point, I think they would have to choose what really matters to them.

They are your children, of course you matter to them, but someone else matters too, and it's cruel to make them choose
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Postby Neutraligon » Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:29 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
See, this is what I don't understand about people who go on about being against homosexuality.

I'm not homosexual, and would prefer for my kids to not be bad people. But if they are homosexual and they fall in love and marry someone, well, that's who they love. It's their life, and as long as my sons or daughters in law are not disrespectful towards the family, they're always welcome.

I wouldn't disown my own child over my religion. It's much rather likely for me to want to protect my kids than for me to put my religion over them.

Religion isn't just something you do for fun, it's a worldview. I won't make apologies for not betraying what I believe.

And your kids are not just for fun as well.
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Postby Jello Biafra » Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:30 pm

Agathyr wrote:For example, if you are gay, woman, or a minority you can say you got fired because of discrimination and ask for laws to be made to "protect" you.

Is it that you think nobody ever discriminates against gays, women, or minorities, or that you don't think there should be a law against doing so?

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:32 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Religion isn't just something you do for fun, it's a worldview. I won't make apologies for not betraying what I believe.


For your kids, you sometimes have to make concessions about what you believe and what you don't believe in.

Having a child is not for fun either, it's a commitment to them. The moment that child is born, you are bound to be loyal to them through thick and thin. Religion, or not, that's what you're signing up for.

If you are not ready for that sort of commitment towards your kids, whereupon you are willing to put everything on the line for them, don't be a parent.

If I have to choose between God and my child, then of course God comes first.
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Postby Neutraligon » Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:32 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
For your kids, you sometimes have to make concessions about what you believe and what you don't believe in.

Having a child is not for fun either, it's a commitment to them. The moment that child is born, you are bound to be loyal to them through thick and thin. Religion, or not, that's what you're signing up for.

If you are not ready for that sort of commitment towards your kids, whereupon you are willing to put everything on the line for them, don't be a parent.

If I have to choose between God and my child, then of course God comes first.

Hence why you should not have kids.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:32 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
For your kids, you sometimes have to make concessions about what you believe and what you don't believe in.

Having a child is not for fun either, it's a commitment to them. The moment that child is born, you are bound to be loyal to them through thick and thin. Religion, or not, that's what you're signing up for.

If you are not ready for that sort of commitment towards your kids, whereupon you are willing to put everything on the line for them, don't be a parent.

If I have to choose between God and my child, then of course God comes first.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:34 pm

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United Muscovite Nations wrote:Religion isn't just something you do for fun, it's a worldview. I won't make apologies for not betraying what I believe.

And your kids are not just for fun as well.


To be honest, what scares me a lot more than their choices in life is not being able to give them better opportunities than the ones I've had.

My kids can be, and excuse my language, "raging, flaming, flamboyant homos" all they like. Hell, if they want to wear dresses and use lipstick and they're happen to be men. I. Don't. Care. I don't even care if they like their wives to use a dildo on them either.

All I want of them is to be able to have more than I had in life. A stable, sane family; and more career choices than the ones I had, and them being able to make more money and have a better cushion than I did.
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