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Postby San Lumen » Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:11 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
San Lumen wrote:What is wrong with accepting LGBT people? why would it matter to you if your child turned out gay? Its not a choice.

It would bother me because it would cause my child to have additional struggles that I might not be able to help them with, because I would have no power to just wave a magic wand and make them straight or cis or whatever.

Why would it bother you? Most places are at least somewhat accepting unless your in some rural area in the middle of nowhere. Why would you want to change them or straight?
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Postby Lancaster of Wessex » Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:13 am

Baalkistann wrote:I'm conservative and Christian yet i have nothing against gays.

Is that normal?


Of course it's normal. Isn't the whole point of Christianity to love and accept everyone as Jesus commanded? "Love thy neighbour as yourself."
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:18 am

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United Muscovite Nations wrote:It would bother me because it would cause my child to have additional struggles that I might not be able to help them with, because I would have no power to just wave a magic wand and make them straight or cis or whatever.

Why would it bother you? Most places are at least somewhat accepting unless your in some rural area in the middle of nowhere. Why would you want to change them or straight?

Because then they would be less likely to perform homosexual acts.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:20 am

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San Lumen wrote:What is wrong with accepting LGBT people? why would it matter to you if your child turned out gay? Its not a choice.

It would bother me because it would cause my child to have additional struggles that I might not be able to help them with, because I would have no power to just wave a magic wand and make them straight or cis or whatever.


Ummm, the whole point of raising a kid is so they don't have your same struggles if you can avoid them.

It doesn't preclude them from having their own.
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Postby Lancaster of Wessex » Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:21 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Why would it bother you? Most places are at least somewhat accepting unless your in some rural area in the middle of nowhere. Why would you want to change them or straight?

Because then they would be less likely to perform homosexual acts.


What your child does once they reach 18 isn't your business, and that's a fact any parent has to accept. You can guide, counsel, but nothing more. They have to find happiness their own way.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:22 am

Lancaster of Wessex wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Because then they would be less likely to perform homosexual acts.


What your child does once they reach 18 isn't your business, and that's a fact any parent has to accept. You can guide, counsel, but nothing more. They have to find happiness their own way.

Doesn't mean we shouldn't worry about what they do or not be dismayed by it.
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Postby Oneracon » Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:24 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Lancaster of Wessex wrote:
What your child does once they reach 18 isn't your business, and that's a fact any parent has to accept. You can guide, counsel, but nothing more. They have to find happiness their own way.

Doesn't mean we shouldn't worry about what they do or not be dismayed by it.

If you're "dismayed" by your child's sexual orientation, then you're a pretty poor parent.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:24 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Lancaster of Wessex wrote:
What your child does once they reach 18 isn't your business, and that's a fact any parent has to accept. You can guide, counsel, but nothing more. They have to find happiness their own way.

Doesn't mean we shouldn't worry about what they do or not be dismayed by it.


After 18, you can only counsel though.

Like, from 1 to 18, you're their parent, you're supposed to guide them and raise them. After that, they're on their own morally and ethically.
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Postby Jello Biafra » Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:25 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Why would it bother you? Most places are at least somewhat accepting unless your in some rural area in the middle of nowhere. Why would you want to change them or straight?

Because then they would be less likely to perform homosexual acts.

Just what kinds of struggles are you hoping to avoid here?

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Postby Lancaster of Wessex » Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:26 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Lancaster of Wessex wrote:
What your child does once they reach 18 isn't your business, and that's a fact any parent has to accept. You can guide, counsel, but nothing more. They have to find happiness their own way.

Doesn't mean we shouldn't worry about what they do or not be dismayed by it.


I didn't say you can't be dismayed. I'm just saying, it's none of your business. And as others have pointed out, it's not like said child chooses to be gay.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:28 am

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United Muscovite Nations wrote:Because then they would be less likely to perform homosexual acts.

Just what kinds of struggles are you hoping to avoid here?


I mean, to an extent I can understand it if he's Orthodox and wants to raise his children with an Orthodox wife and in an Orthodox community, in particular if this community is traditionalist.

However, the problem lies in that this is basically unavoidable. If the child is gay there's nothing he can do other than counsel and be there for the kid.

I'll be honest, I've thought about it before, and between my community and my children I'd pick my children 10/10. But that's me.
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Postby Kannap » Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:40 am

Waylon Skinner wrote:I'm actually conservative in a lot of areas, but sometimes I wonder this. It seems that conservatives are upset with LGBT people being in society, to the point where they want them out of society. But the only why that's ever going to happen is if we rounded up all the "homosex'ls" and put them in concentration camps. Do you think this can be the ultimate goal for those who oppose LGBT or look at them with suspicion?

Oh, we know some say they can't be homophobic, but I don't know if these claims are really true.


I don't think Conservatives would quite take it to that extent. More importantly, I hope that they don't take it to that extent. I like life.
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Postby Jello Biafra » Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:43 am

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Jello Biafra wrote:Just what kinds of struggles are you hoping to avoid here?


I mean, to an extent I can understand it if he's Orthodox and wants to raise his children with an Orthodox wife and in an Orthodox community, in particular if this community is traditionalist.

Sure, but if it's just about performing homosexual acts, the community doesn't need to know. It's not like they'd be screwing on a park bench in broad daylight.

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:54 am

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Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
I mean, to an extent I can understand it if he's Orthodox and wants to raise his children with an Orthodox wife and in an Orthodox community, in particular if this community is traditionalist.

Sure, but if it's just about performing homosexual acts, the community doesn't need to know. It's not like they'd be screwing on a park bench in broad daylight.

It's not about what the community knows, it would be about the welfare of my child and his or her eternal soul.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:55 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Jello Biafra wrote:Sure, but if it's just about performing homosexual acts, the community doesn't need to know. It's not like they'd be screwing on a park bench in broad daylight.

It's not about what the community knows, it would be about the welfare of my child and his or her eternal soul.


It's not like fucking people before he marries, or people of the same sex, is going to harm him either.

Maybe you have a point about their "eternal soul" but even then, they'll do whatever they want with or without you anyways.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:57 am

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:It's not about what the community knows, it would be about the welfare of my child and his or her eternal soul.


It's not like fucking people before he marries, or people of the same sex, is going to harm him either.

Maybe you have a point about their "eternal soul" but even then, they'll do whatever they want with or without you anyways.

Yes, that is why I think it is important to instill a child with values, so that they will be more likely to either not commit such acts in the first place, or to repent of their actions afterward.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:58 am

Jello Biafra wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
I mean, to an extent I can understand it if he's Orthodox and wants to raise his children with an Orthodox wife and in an Orthodox community, in particular if this community is traditionalist.

Sure, but if it's just about performing homosexual acts, the community doesn't need to know. It's not like they'd be screwing on a park bench in broad daylight.


At least if they do it in the bushes they can have the good courtesy to beat themselves with sticks afterwards.

Or during, I'm not judgmental.
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Postby Lancaster of Wessex » Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:59 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Jello Biafra wrote:Sure, but if it's just about performing homosexual acts, the community doesn't need to know. It's not like they'd be screwing on a park bench in broad daylight.

It's not about what the community knows, it would be about the welfare of my child and his or her eternal soul.


Homosexuals can be Christians, and even if you think their actions are sinful (e.g. carnal relations in that manner) that too can be forgiven by Christ.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:00 pm

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Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
It's not like fucking people before he marries, or people of the same sex, is going to harm him either.

Maybe you have a point about their "eternal soul" but even then, they'll do whatever they want with or without you anyways.

Yes, that is why I think it is important to instill a child with values, so that they will be more likely to either not commit such acts in the first place, or to repent of their actions afterward.


Do you really think you can make your children do whatever you think is right?

I mean hell, my dad was a hardass and look how my family turned out. What makes you think you can control them to such an extent?
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:01 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Yes, that is why I think it is important to instill a child with values, so that they will be more likely to either not commit such acts in the first place, or to repent of their actions afterward.


Do you really think you can make your children do whatever you think is right?

I mean hell, my dad was a hardass and look how my family turned out. What makes you think you can control them to such an extent?

I hope I could convince them; if I don't, and they turn out poorly, then I would think I would have failed as a parent.
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Postby Lancaster of Wessex » Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:04 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Do you really think you can make your children do whatever you think is right?

I mean hell, my dad was a hardass and look how my family turned out. What makes you think you can control them to such an extent?

I hope I could convince them; if I don't, and they turn out poorly, then I would think I would have failed as a parent.


I don't know if you're a parent or not, but that's not how parenting works.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:04 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Do you really think you can make your children do whatever you think is right?

I mean hell, my dad was a hardass and look how my family turned out. What makes you think you can control them to such an extent?

I hope I could convince them; if I don't, and they turn out poorly, then I would think I would have failed as a parent.


For your sake, I hope you don't have kids.

I am not saying it in a bad way either.
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Jello Biafra wrote:Sure, but if it's just about performing homosexual acts, the community doesn't need to know. It's not like they'd be screwing on a park bench in broad daylight.


At least if they do it in the bushes they can have the good courtesy to beat themselves with sticks afterwards.

Or during, I'm not judgmental.


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United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Do you really think you can make your children do whatever you think is right?

I mean hell, my dad was a hardass and look how my family turned out. What makes you think you can control them to such an extent?

I hope I could convince them; if I don't, and they turn out poorly, then I would think I would have failed as a parent.

I don't see your child being happy but not in line with your views is bad
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:07 pm

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At least if they do it in the bushes they can have the good courtesy to beat themselves with sticks afterwards.

Or during, I'm not judgmental.


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