Do you think LGBTs will eventually be all rounded up?

[Neo Balka]

Yes...because that is already happening.

Everywhere.

It's only a matter of time, we need to resist the rising regression in the world.

I think you have some serious paranoia.
Like, Alex jones levels.

[Hashirajima]

Uh... No its not. And in my city I'm safe from any such action. The governor and mayor would never allow it.

They could just tell the governor or mayor you have a 30 round Pmag and they'd let Pence take you away.

And that's assuming they are all law-abiding citizens.

Following the law is, from a certain point of view, optional. Just that if you take the option NOT to abide by the law, you get fined/jailed/executed.

[Neutraligon]

Eh, no, that's not actually the case.

See, what you're trying to do here is saying you're willing to go as far as to control your child's thoughts in any matter to be exactly like yours. That just doesn't happen in reality. You'll have to learn how to compromise as a parent. If you can't compromise, don't be a parent. It's simple. We don't need everyone fucking to survive as a species, and if you are not willing to put up the commitment to have children, then just don't. Be celibate, or better yet, just be part of the clergy.

The world's not missing out on you not having children.

I am plenty willing to take commitment for children. I just don't think that involves sacrificing everything I believe at the altar of good feelings.

It isn't ont the altar of good feelings, it is on ensuring the mental and physical well being on your child. If you are unable to commit to ensuring the mental and physical well being of your child you should not have a child. This by the way isn't an attack on you, I do not think I would be a good parent at all and so will not be having a child.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I am plenty willing to take commitment for children. I just don't think that involves sacrificing everything I believe at the altar of good feelings.

It might not be obvious, but if you're willing to take a bullet for your child and die to be able to give them a chance at life, you can't give up anything else. Your beliefs don't matter if you're dead, so really and truly, if you want to have kids, you better get used to the idea that if you're willing to die for them, you're also willing to make concessions on your beliefs for their sake.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I am plenty willing to take commitment for children. I just don't think that involves sacrificing everything I believe at the altar of good feelings.

It isn't ont the altar of good feelings, it is on ensuring the mental and physical well being on your child. If you are unable to commit to ensuring the mental and physical well being of your child you should not have a child. This by the way isn't an attack on you, I do not think I would be a good parent at all and so will not be having a child.

And I think allowing them to embrace homosexuality will harm them literally for eternity.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I am plenty willing to take commitment for children. I just don't think that involves sacrificing everything I believe at the altar of good feelings.

It might not be obvious, but if you're willing to take a bullet for your child and die to be able to give them a chance at life, you can't give up anything else. Your beliefs don't matter if you're dead, so really and truly, if you want to have kids, you better get used to the idea that if you're willing to die for them, you're also willing to make concessions on your beliefs for their sake.

My beliefs are more important than my life.

[Hakons]

I hope not, and I don't see that as very likely. The US has interned people before, but that was a wartime thing. Unless we were somehow pitted against a nation of LGBTs and people of the same status are viewed as possible conspirators, I don't see how it would be "justified."

[Soldati Senza Confini]

It isn't ont the altar of good feelings, it is on ensuring the mental and physical well being on your child. If you are unable to commit to ensuring the mental and physical well being of your child you should not have a child. This by the way isn't an attack on you, I do not think I would be a good parent at all and so will not be having a child.

See, the way I think it's different.

I first ask myself a very fundamental question: am I willing to put my life on the line for my kids?

If the answer is yes then by extension I must be willing to do anything else for them, including making a concession in my ways of thinking for their sake.

Because, honestly, none of my beliefs matter if I am willing to get shot in order to give them a chance at life.

[Neutraligon]

It isn't ont the altar of good feelings, it is on ensuring the mental and physical well being on your child. If you are unable to commit to ensuring the mental and physical well being of your child you should not have a child. This by the way isn't an attack on you, I do not think I would be a good parent at all and so will not be having a child.

And I think allowing them to embrace homosexuality will harm them literally for eternity.

Which is why I think your god is an asshole. Is suicide a sin in your book, because then either way you are more likely to have a child sinning, and at least they will have a short time on earth with you where they can actually be happy, and mentally and physically healthy. Oh and...of course that ignores the fact that the child will likely simply fully cut you off should you act in the way you are suggesting and so all you will have done is mentally harmed them while not preventing them from sinning.

[Hashirajima]

It might not be obvious, but if you're willing to take a bullet for your child and die to be able to give them a chance at life, you can't give up anything else. Your beliefs don't matter if you're dead, so really and truly, if you want to have kids, you better get used to the idea that if you're willing to die for them, you're also willing to make concessions on your beliefs for their sake.

My beliefs are more important than my life.

... consider this a heartfelt appeal then: PLEASE join your nearest clergy...

[The Shrailleeni Empire]

Yes...because that is already happening.

Everywhere.

Uh... No its not. And in my city I'm safe from any such action. The governor and mayor would never allow it.

I do think that it is important to note that it is already happening in the vast majority of places in the United States that exist outside of the seven states and handful of cities that have banned the practice.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

It might not be obvious, but if you're willing to take a bullet for your child and die to be able to give them a chance at life, you can't give up anything else. Your beliefs don't matter if you're dead, so really and truly, if you want to have kids, you better get used to the idea that if you're willing to die for them, you're also willing to make concessions on your beliefs for their sake.

My beliefs are more important than my life.

And without your life your beliefs are just nothing but words others have said and plenty have rejected, so it doesn't really matter what you believe if you're dead.

I mean, if you really want to put your beliefs that far ahead of everything else, then I echo the earlier suggestion to join a clergy. But having children is a bad idea.

[Lutherah]

Uh... No its not. And in my city I'm safe from any such action. The governor and mayor would never allow it.

I do think that it is important to note that it is already happening in the vast majority of places in the United States that exist outside of the seven states and handful of cities that have banned the practice.

Yes, that it is not seen doesn't mean its not happening.

[Vigilante justice]

It might not be obvious, but if you're willing to take a bullet for your child and die to be able to give them a chance at life, you can't give up anything else. Your beliefs don't matter if you're dead, so really and truly, if you want to have kids, you better get used to the idea that if you're willing to die for them, you're also willing to make concessions on your beliefs for their sake.

My beliefs are more important than my life.

I definitely agree with a lot of your stuff, but personally, I feel like the christian church should be focused on some more important things than the LGBT community and stuff, and more upon spreading the word, and abortion and what-not.

[Hakons]

And I think allowing them to embrace homosexuality will harm them literally for eternity.

Which is why I think your god is an asshole. Is suicide a sin in your book, because then either way you are more likely to have a child sinning, and at least they will have a short time on earth with you where they can actually be happy, and mentally and physically healthy. Oh and...of course that ignores the fact that the child will likely simply fully cut you off should you act in the way you are suggesting and so all you will have done is mentally harmed them while not preventing them from sinning.

God didn't have to create us, and He certainly didn't have to give you the right to call Him an asshole.

Anyway, the truth is that only a very small number of people turn out to be homosexual. The odds are that UMN will never have to deal with this issue.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Which is why I think your god is an asshole. Is suicide a sin in your book, because then either way you are more likely to have a child sinning, and at least they will have a short time on earth with you where they can actually be happy, and mentally and physically healthy. Oh and...of course that ignores the fact that the child will likely simply fully cut you off should you act in the way you are suggesting and so all you will have done is mentally harmed them while not preventing them from sinning.

God didn't have to create us, and He certainly didn't have to give you the right to call Him an asshole.

Anyway, the truth is that only a very small number of people turn out to be homosexual. The odds are that UMN will never have to deal with this issue.

Yeah, Satan gave us the right to call him an asshole.

Praise Lucifer!

/s

[Neutraligon]

Which is why I think your god is an asshole. Is suicide a sin in your book, because then either way you are more likely to have a child sinning, and at least they will have a short time on earth with you where they can actually be happy, and mentally and physically healthy. Oh and...of course that ignores the fact that the child will likely simply fully cut you off should you act in the way you are suggesting and so all you will have done is mentally harmed them while not preventing them from sinning.

God didn't have to create us, and He certainly didn't have to give you the right to call Him an asshole.

Anyway, the truth is that only a very small number of people turn out to be homosexual. The odds are that UMN will never have to deal with this issue.

Well first i am an atheist so I don't believe in god. Second no he didn't have to create us, that doesn't change the fact that his actions make him an asshole. Third even if he did create us that does not mean he gets to tell me how to act, who to love etc anymore then my parents get to dictate every single thing I do or think. Fourth he didn't give us that right, we took it when we supposedly ate the apple against the will of god. Finally, if the result would be the world we live in today then I would prefer that god not have given us that right if it needed to be given to begin with.

[Vigilante justice]

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Yeah, Satan gave us the right to call him an asshole.

Praise Lucifer!

/s[/quote]

Not really. If you want to get technical, god gave the right, because he created free will.

Unless you're a christian that doesn't believe in free will...

Edit: I'm sorry for jacking up the quote box.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Not really. If you want to get technical, god gave the right, because he created free will.

Unless you're a christian that doesn't believe in free will...

Well I'm not a Christian at all.

I was just being a smartass.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Which is why I think your god is an asshole. Is suicide a sin in your book, because then either way you are more likely to have a child sinning, and at least they will have a short time on earth with you where they can actually be happy, and mentally and physically healthy. Oh and...of course that ignores the fact that the child will likely simply fully cut you off should you act in the way you are suggesting and so all you will have done is mentally harmed them while not preventing them from sinning.

God didn't have to create us, and He certainly didn't have to give you the right to call Him an asshole.

Anyway, the truth is that only a very small number of people turn out to be homosexual. The odds are that UMN will never have to deal with this issue.

To be fair, this is true.

On the other hand though, considering the beliefs of many Christians when it comes to child-rearing, I'd be pretty fucking scared of having a Christian wife and would heavily consider an atheist as a wife if they think anything like UMN.

[Hakons]

God didn't have to create us, and He certainly didn't have to give you the right to call Him an asshole.

Anyway, the truth is that only a very small number of people turn out to be homosexual. The odds are that UMN will never have to deal with this issue.

Well first i am an atheist so I don't believe in god. Second no he didn't have to create us, that doesn't change the fact that his actions make him an asshole. Third even if he did create us that does not mean he gets to tell me how to act, who to love etc anymore then my parents get to dictate every single thing I do or think. Fourth he didn't give us that right, we took it when we supposedly ate the apple against the will of god. Finally, if the result would be the world we live in today then I would prefer that god not have given us that right if it needed to be given to begin with.

God gave Adam and Eve the right to choose to eat the apple or not (free will). Eating the apple is when sin entered the world, which is why people complain about the world being so terrible. We're badly off topic, though.

[Vigilante justice]

God didn't have to create us, and He certainly didn't have to give you the right to call Him an asshole.

Anyway, the truth is that only a very small number of people turn out to be homosexual. The odds are that UMN will never have to deal with this issue.

Well first i am an atheist so I don't believe in god. Second no he didn't have to create us, that doesn't change the fact that his actions make him an asshole. Third even if he did create us that does not mean he gets to tell me how to act, who to love etc anymore then my parents get to dictate every single thing I do or think. Fourth he didn't give us that right, we took it when we supposedly ate the apple against the will of god. Finally, if the result would be the world we live in today then I would prefer that god not have given us that right if it needed to be given to begin with.

I wouldn't call him an ass hole though. If he created us in his image (Genesis 1) then we should reflect him in a lot of ways. He also created morals, so basically defines wrong or right, so really it's unfair to call him an ass for that. Also (I was talking about free will earlier) he gave us the right to eat the apple when he created free will. About your second point, I honestly don't know how I feel about LGBT's yet. Being gay has to be a mental disorder, because there really isn't' much of a reason for it too exist.

Much of free will and some other topics about this is in a pretty good book called "Mere Christianity" by C.S Lewis. I recommend it.

[Neutraligon]

Well first i am an atheist so I don't believe in god. Second no he didn't have to create us, that doesn't change the fact that his actions make him an asshole. Third even if he did create us that does not mean he gets to tell me how to act, who to love etc anymore then my parents get to dictate every single thing I do or think. Fourth he didn't give us that right, we took it when we supposedly ate the apple against the will of god. Finally, if the result would be the world we live in today then I would prefer that god not have given us that right if it needed to be given to begin with.

God gave Adam and Eve the right to choose to eat the apple or not (free will). Eating the apple is when sin entered the world, which is why people complain about the world being so terrible. We're badly off topic, though.

And if god is going to act like such a crybaby when we use the right he gave us then he should not have given the right in the first place. If god is so incapable of dealing with the fact that some people enjoy sex with people of the same sex he is an asshole who should not have made it possible for that to be in the first place. If he is capable of interfering in the lives of others as he has done in the past supposedly, then he should certainly make it so that no one feels that attraction and so the idea of LGBT being rounded up would not even enter into people's heads because LGBT would not exist.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Well first i am an atheist so I don't believe in god. Second no he didn't have to create us, that doesn't change the fact that his actions make him an asshole. Third even if he did create us that does not mean he gets to tell me how to act, who to love etc anymore then my parents get to dictate every single thing I do or think. Fourth he didn't give us that right, we took it when we supposedly ate the apple against the will of god. Finally, if the result would be the world we live in today then I would prefer that god not have given us that right if it needed to be given to begin with.

I wouldn't call him an ass hole though. If he created us in his image (Genesis 1) then we should reflect him in a lot of ways. He also created morals, so basically defines wrong or right, so really it's unfair to call him an ass for that. Also (I was talking about free will earlier) he gave us the right to eat the apple when he created free will. About your second point, I honestly don't know how I feel about LGBT's yet. Being gay has to be a mental disorder, because there really isn't' much of a reason for it too exist.

It could be argued it exists as a means of population control though.

And to be fair, it wouldn't be off the mark since we're in a very stable society now where we don't have to kill each other and medicine makes long life viable. Viable enough to where people can dabble in sexuality and other things more than we could in the past.

In the past, it just wasn't viable to be homosexual because, well, life was short, and we had to have kids. Heterosexual reproduction took priority over exploring our sexuality. Sure, homosexuality existed before, but mind that it was not that well documented because it was only a few million people. We're 7 billion people, the probability that there were homosexual people was much greater than zero to begin with by sheer mathematics.

[Hakons]

God didn't have to create us, and He certainly didn't have to give you the right to call Him an asshole.

Anyway, the truth is that only a very small number of people turn out to be homosexual. The odds are that UMN will never have to deal with this issue.

To be fair, this is true.

On the other hand though, considering the beliefs of many Christians when it comes to child-rearing, I'd be pretty fucking scared of having a Christian wife and would heavily consider an atheist as a wife if they think anything like UMN.

UMN is Orthodox Christian, so he's on the conservative end of Christianity. You could marry a more liberal Christian, but that usually means they are more lax in their beliefs and take Christianity less seriously. I view that as a bad thing, but you might like that.