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Postby Waylon Skinner » Tue Apr 11, 2017 2:57 am

I'm actually conservative in a lot of areas, but sometimes I wonder this. It seems that conservatives are upset with LGBT people being in society, to the point where they want them out of society. But the only why that's ever going to happen is if we rounded up all the "homosex'ls" and put them in concentration camps. Do you think this can be the ultimate goal for those who oppose LGBT or look at them with suspicion?

Oh, we know some say they can't be homophobic, but I don't know if these claims are really true.

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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:03 am

Waylon Skinner wrote:I'm actually conservative in a lot of areas, but sometimes I wonder this. It seems that conservatives are upset with LGBT people being in society, to the point where they want them out of society. But the only why that's ever going to happen is if we rounded up all the "homosex'ls" and put them in concentration camps. Do you think this can be the ultimate goal for those who oppose LGBT or look at them with suspicion?

Oh, we know some say they can't be homophobic, but I don't know if these claims are really true.

I don't think any conservatives, at least in the US, would ever want to put anyone in a camp. Most conservatives it seems are not upset with the LGBT people as people but as getting free and equal protection under the law, basically many of them believe that LGBT people should keep quiet about everything. Again this is only in the US.
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Postby Waylon Skinner » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:07 am

Somehow, it's just weird vibes I get from conservatives. I know most conservatives don't exactly hate gays as people, so much as they'd rather LGBT people keep quiet like you said. How do you expect LGBT people to keep quiet, though? I don't know if that even worked back in the old days.

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Postby SUNTHREIT » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:09 am

I can see why people would do that, so maybe.
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Postby Randsbeik » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:12 am

Some people, maybe. But the idea of concentration camps is pretty widely vilified even by most conservatives so you're going to be hard-pressed to find someone who not only agrees with the idea, but has the ability to make it a reality.

I think people tend to play up the "racist/sexist/x-phobic conservative" to unrealistic proportions.
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Postby Caemenia » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:17 am

Taking a wild guess that you're probably in the US, what you're describing would be constitutionally impossible. If The Donald can't ban Muslims from entering the country I'm pretty sure other forms of full scale discrimination will be impossible too.

US conservatives seem to forget that their nation was founded by minorities escaping persecution.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:18 am

Waylon Skinner wrote:Somehow, it's just weird vibes I get from conservatives. I know most conservatives don't exactly hate gays as people, so much as they'd rather LGBT people keep quiet like you said. How do you expect LGBT people to keep quiet, though? I don't know if that even worked back in the old days.

Basically some conservatives envision a world where LGBT people keep quiet about who they are dating, their sex life, not taking their spouse, partner, or SO into public, etc. You get the idea, basically some conservatives want the LGBT people to go back into the closet. And no it really didn't work in the past as that's how we got Stonewall and the Gay liberation movement
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Postby Jello Biafra » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:28 am

I might have thought this a while ago but tolerance for LGBTs is increasing, even among conservatives.

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Postby The Federation of Kendor » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:32 am

Waylon Skinner wrote:I'm actually conservative in a lot of areas, but sometimes I wonder this. It seems that conservatives are upset with LGBT people being in society, to the point where they want them out of society. But the only why that's ever going to happen is if we rounded up all the "homosex'ls" and put them in concentration camps. Do you think this can be the ultimate goal for those who oppose LGBT or look at them with suspicion?

Oh, we know some say they can't be homophobic, but I don't know if these claims are really true.

That's a pretty extreme and a bit Nazist idea, rounding up LGBT in concentration camps.

No offense, but the rounding up LGBT and putting then in concentration camps sounded like how the Nazi treated Jews. To me, I don't like LGBT too, but I have to tolerate them, because of the progressive society of today
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:35 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Waylon Skinner wrote:Somehow, it's just weird vibes I get from conservatives. I know most conservatives don't exactly hate gays as people, so much as they'd rather LGBT people keep quiet like you said. How do you expect LGBT people to keep quiet, though? I don't know if that even worked back in the old days.

Basically some conservatives envision a world where LGBT people keep quiet about who they are dating, their sex life, not taking their spouse, partner, or SO into public, etc. You get the idea, basically some conservatives want the LGBT people to go back into the closet. And no it really didn't work in the past as that's how we got Stonewall and the Gay liberation movement


You got stonewall because it was illegal to be gay at the time. It was a police raid that triggered stonewall, and the subsequent movement.

If it were about just being quiet..... not so sure. The religious component of western anti homosexualism people, I don't think would be satisfied with back in the closet as the Abrahamic faiths consider it to be a sin, and they consider it to be their religious duty to save sinners.

All that said it is not axiomatic that conservatives by definition are anti lgbt.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:37 am

The Federation of Kendor wrote:
Waylon Skinner wrote:I'm actually conservative in a lot of areas, but sometimes I wonder this. It seems that conservatives are upset with LGBT people being in society, to the point where they want them out of society. But the only why that's ever going to happen is if we rounded up all the "homosex'ls" and put them in concentration camps. Do you think this can be the ultimate goal for those who oppose LGBT or look at them with suspicion?

Oh, we know some say they can't be homophobic, but I don't know if these claims are really true.

That's a pretty extreme and a bit Nazist idea, rounding up LGBT in concentration camps.

No offense, but the rounding up LGBT and putting then in concentration camps sounded like how the Nazi treated Jews. To me, I don't like LGBT too, but I have to tolerate them, because of the progressive society of today


As an FYI it is how nazi's treated gays as well. Where do you think the pink triangle comes from?
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Postby Caemenia » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:39 am

The Federation of Kendor wrote:To me, I don't like LGBT too, but I have to tolerate them, because of the progressive society of today

That must be really tough for you. How do you cope?

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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:39 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Basically some conservatives envision a world where LGBT people keep quiet about who they are dating, their sex life, not taking their spouse, partner, or SO into public, etc. You get the idea, basically some conservatives want the LGBT people to go back into the closet. And no it really didn't work in the past as that's how we got Stonewall and the Gay liberation movement


You got stonewall because it was illegal to be gay at the time. It was a police raid that triggered stonewall, and the subsequent movement.

If it were about just being quiet..... not so sure. The religious component of western anti homosexualism people, I don't think would be satisfied with back in the closet as the Abrahamic faiths consider it to be a sin, and they consider it to be their religious duty to save sinners.

All that said it is not axiomatic that conservatives by definition are anti lgbt.

Out of sight out of mind is what I was going for. If you can't see the gays how are you going to save them?

And yes, conservatives are not by definition anti LGBT
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Postby Pope Joan » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:41 am

Most of the uproar from the right has been about trans.
There is actually quite a lot of support for the Lesian and Gay components of LGBQ within in GOP

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Postby The Federation of Kendor » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:42 am

Caemenia wrote:
The Federation of Kendor wrote:To me, I don't like LGBT too, but I have to tolerate them, because of the progressive society of today

That must be really tough for you. How do you cope?

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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:43 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
You got stonewall because it was illegal to be gay at the time. It was a police raid that triggered stonewall, and the subsequent movement.

If it were about just being quiet..... not so sure. The religious component of western anti homosexualism people, I don't think would be satisfied with back in the closet as the Abrahamic faiths consider it to be a sin, and they consider it to be their religious duty to save sinners.

All that said it is not axiomatic that conservatives by definition are anti lgbt.

Out of sight out of mind is what I was going for. If you can't see the gays how are you going to save them?

And yes, conservatives are not by definition anti LGBT


My bad that read wrong, the first two paragraphs were targeted at you. The third at the OP.

As to your point, maybe...it wouldn't be as specifically directed.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:44 am

Hey, if Chechnya can do it, why not America?
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:48 am

Costa Fierro wrote:Hey, if Chechnya can do it, why not America?

Because here in the US the gays have guns
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:48 am

Pope Joan wrote:Most of the uproar from the right has been about trans.
There is actually quite a lot of support for the Lesian and Gay components of LGBQ within in GOP

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http://www.republicanreader.com/republi ... -marriage/
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/d ... hts-224343


One thing that I have cone around to your thinking is that gay marriage is an inherently conservative act. And that trying to create gay traditional families is something a family values movement should be applauding, not ostrascizing.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:50 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Out of sight out of mind is what I was going for. If you can't see the gays how are you going to save them?

And yes, conservatives are not by definition anti LGBT


My bad that read wrong, the first two paragraphs were targeted at you. The third at the OP.

As to your point, maybe...it wouldn't be as specifically directed.

You didn't word it wrong, I knew what you meant. My last paragraph was more of a general statement backing yours up, than an answer. That's on me
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Postby Arcanda » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:52 am

Some conservatives are probably just angry at the over-exposure that LGBTQ+ get in the media.
I bet that does a disservice to some LGBTQ+ people, too.

But in the western world, I doubt so. Chechnya or Russia, one day, maybe.

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Postby Risottia » Tue Apr 11, 2017 4:12 am

Waylon Skinner wrote:I'm actually conservative in a lot of areas, but sometimes I wonder this. It seems that conservatives are upset with LGBT people being in society, to the point where they want them out of society. But the only why that's ever going to happen is if we rounded up all the "homosex'ls" and put them in concentration camps. Do you think this can be the ultimate goal for those who oppose LGBT or look at them with suspicion?


No. This is a goal for the most extreme homophobes. Most homophobes would be happy with applying social pressure on queer folks to have them wither silently in despair, loneliness, poverty and fear - but away from their sight.
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Postby United Kingdom of Kent » Tue Apr 11, 2017 4:22 am

In the West most certainly not, Russia on the other hand...
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue Apr 11, 2017 4:22 am

Waylon Skinner wrote:I'm actually conservative in a lot of areas, but sometimes I wonder this. It seems that conservatives are upset with LGBT people being in society, to the point where they want them out of society. But the only why that's ever going to happen is if we rounded up all the "homosex'ls" and put them in concentration camps. Do you think this can be the ultimate goal for those who oppose LGBT or look at them with suspicion?

Oh, we know some say they can't be homophobic, but I don't know if these claims are really true.


Nah, camps won't happen. Many gay people are camp by themselves.

Also, yes, please put an otherwise sexually repressed group of people together in an area. [/sarcasm]
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Postby Ardrentt » Tue Apr 11, 2017 4:52 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Waylon Skinner wrote:I'm actually conservative in a lot of areas, but sometimes I wonder this. It seems that conservatives are upset with LGBT people being in society, to the point where they want them out of society. But the only why that's ever going to happen is if we rounded up all the "homosex'ls" and put them in concentration camps. Do you think this can be the ultimate goal for those who oppose LGBT or look at them with suspicion?

Oh, we know some say they can't be homophobic, but I don't know if these claims are really true.


Nah, camps won't happen. Many gay people are camp by themselves.

Also, yes, please put an otherwise sexually repressed group of people together in an area. [/sarcasm]

Well, it's arguing for the possibility of it and, in all fairness, I imagine this coming from how much Americans are increasingly seeing the other political party from their own as "The Other" and that there's the possibility that Americans will become so divided and contrasted that they will suggest shit like that.

Or that's my current reading of it.

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