New Mexico bans "Lunch shaming"

[Soldati Senza Confini]

You cannot cut off someone who you go to school with every day.

How the fuck do you prevent someone from harassing you verbally if you two go to the same school and you happen to know the same people?

Report it, nuff said. (The part about the cut them out of your life/block them on social media thing is more towards the real world and not school, the entire statement was really.)

Alas, the school doesn't work like the real world, now, does it?

School kids bully one another more often than some stranger actually bullying you. My worst bullies happened to be my siblings. How the fuck do I report them? How do I "cut them off" of my life if we live in the same roof?

Your advice is basically telling people like me that it was okay for me to get bullied by my siblings because I was a pussy and I should have kicked their ass (when I actually couldn't, because I'd be grounded for actually retaliating against my own siblings).

[New haven america]

It doesn't fucking work like that, and the fact that you said it means you don't know what your fucking talking about

1. If there's physical harassment, teachers won't do anything more than saying "Knock it off," the police won't do anything unless there's actual extreme physical damage (Broken bones, concussions, etc...), fighting back will generally turn into 1 vs. 2-7 people (The bully's friends will almost always get involved), and ignoring it will lead to worse harassment. Pack bullies also like stalking, so you have that to deal with.

2. They won't listen to you, you can't ignore it because chances are they'll never really stop, and cutting them out of your life can't work because you spend 6-8 hours a day in the same area as them 4-5 days a week.

And let's not forget the psychological scars that never heal.

1.Actually, most schools now a-day's take bullying very seriously, if you say you are being being physically harassed I would be shocked to hear they didn't do anything about it, same with verbal harassment.

2.Also, if someone is physically assaulting you can and should press charges of assault upon them, because you have a legal right to do so, this BS about the police not doing anything until there is extreme physical damage is BS.

1. No they don't, unless any serious injuries occur (Which they are required by law to report and deal with), 90% of the time the bullies will get a knock it off, maybe a slight slap on the wrist (Like detention), but overall, the school won't do anything actually meaningful. If anything, reporting it to teachers will just make the bullying worse, because then you'll be seen as a snitch, and the bullies will want their revenge.
2. No, you can try, but until they have actual reason to act (Extreme physical damage), they'll only see it as "Kids being kids" and won't do jackshit about it.

Yet again, it's very apparent you don't know what you're talking about.

[Chuching]

Yeah, those kids with six-figure earning parents NEED free school lunch! It's one thing if you absolutely cannot afford lunch(Below the poverty line). But if someone has parents earning a decent income, they do not need taxpayer-funded lunch. They can pay for it.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Well, law enforcement in many places doesn't really take child scuffles seriously.

Often, you end up in a fight and the police won't stop it if it is two children fighting. To the cops, you simply don't know any better so they let you duke it out.

If you are in school and are being physically harrased you can simply report it to the teachers, or in the event its a single person doing it and not a group, fight back. Most states have laws that allow schools to punish students for bullying outside of school aswell as in school.

The fact that there is a law, and that law enforcement will enforce said law, are two different things.

See: most criminal cases ever.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Yeah, those kids with six-figure earning parents NEED free school lunch! It's one thing if you absolutely cannot afford lunch(Below the poverty line). But if someone has parents earning a decent income, they do not need taxpayer-funded lunch. They can pay for it.

The problem is then how much do they get, and do they get bullied for having less means than others?

My dad made six figures too, but I was in the free lunch school program because my family had too many children in it.

Don't presume that just because some of us have fathers earning 6 figures, that we don't realize there's a problem even at schools. Children will bully for just about everything.

[New haven america]

Yeah, those kids with six-figure earning parents NEED free school lunch! It's one thing if you absolutely cannot afford lunch(Below the poverty line). But if someone has parents earning a decent income, they do not need taxpayer-funded lunch. They can pay for it.

Better yet, why don't we just get rid of public schools in general? Why should I pay for sending other people's kids to school?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

1. No they don't, unless any serious injuries occur (Which they are required by law to report and deal with), 90% of the time the bullies will get a knock it off, maybe a slight slap on the wrist (Like detention), but overall, the school won't do anything actually meaningful. If anything, reporting it to teachers will just make the bullying worse, because then you'll be seen as a snitch, and the bullies will want their revenge.
2. No, you can try, but until they have actual reason to act (Extreme physical damage), they'll only see it as "Kids being kids" and won't do jackshit about it.

Yet again, it's very apparent you don't know what you're talking about.

The bigger problem is that attitudes like Datloff and others are displaying does nothing but perpetuate bullying.

It might not be apparent at first, but that's exactly what it does. Telling kids to "get over it" is basically telling them "you're a pussy for not defending yourself". And in fact, many times you can't.

[Datlofff]

Report it, nuff said. (The part about the cut them out of your life/block them on social media thing is more towards the real world and not school, the entire statement was really.)

Alas, the school doesn't work like the real world, now, does it?

School kids bully one another more often than some stranger actually bullying you. My worst bullies happened to be my siblings. How the fuck do I report them? How do I "cut them off" of my life if we live in the same roof?

Your advice is basically telling people like me that it was okay for me to get bullied by my siblings because I was a pussy and I should have kicked their ass (when I actually couldn't, because I'd be grounded for actually retaliating against my own siblings).

I see this devolving now but I will make a counter argument anyways.

Again, report things to the admin of your school, they will handle bullying.

If your bullies are your siblings well, that sounds like a family issue based entirely on your parents inability to realize this, or you are just as you said yourself, a pussy, and can't take your older siblings picking on you to get a reaction out of you. (unless ofc it is excessive, and that again falls on your parents)

Also, my advice was geared specifically toward school kids bullying you, or people in the workplace/generally anyone stranger outside school.

[Datlofff]

If you are in school and are being physically harrased you can simply report it to the teachers, or in the event its a single person doing it and not a group, fight back. Most states have laws that allow schools to punish students for bullying outside of school aswell as in school.

The fact that there is a law, and that law enforcement will enforce said law, are two different things.

See: most criminal cases ever.

Then this simply isn't a issue grounded in the bully victim relationship, more so the law/authorities not taking bullying seriously.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Alas, the school doesn't work like the real world, now, does it?

School kids bully one another more often than some stranger actually bullying you. My worst bullies happened to be my siblings. How the fuck do I report them? How do I "cut them off" of my life if we live in the same roof?

Your advice is basically telling people like me that it was okay for me to get bullied by my siblings because I was a pussy and I should have kicked their ass (when I actually couldn't, because I'd be grounded for actually retaliating against my own siblings).

I see this devolving now but I will make a counter argument anyways.

Again, report things to the admin of your school, they will handle bullying.

If your bullies are your siblings well, that sounds like a family issue based entirely on your parents inability to realize this, or you are just as you said yourself, a pussy, and can't take your older siblings picking on you to get a reaction out of you. (unless ofc it is excessive, and that again falls on your parents)

Also, my advice was geared specifically toward school kids bullying you, or people in the workplace/generally anyone stranger outside school.

Great, thanks for showing you don't understand the issue. We can safely ignore anything you say beyond this point now.

[Datlofff]

1. No they don't, unless any serious injuries occur (Which they are required by law to report and deal with), 90% of the time the bullies will get a knock it off, maybe a slight slap on the wrist (Like detention), but overall, the school won't do anything actually meaningful. If anything, reporting it to teachers will just make the bullying worse, because then you'll be seen as a snitch, and the bullies will want their revenge.
2. No, you can try, but until they have actual reason to act (Extreme physical damage), they'll only see it as "Kids being kids" and won't do jackshit about it.

Yet again, it's very apparent you don't know what you're talking about.

The bigger problem is that attitudes like Datloff and others are displaying does nothing but perpetuate bullying.

It might not be apparent at first, but that's exactly what it does. Telling kids to "get over it" is basically telling them "you're a pussy for not defending yourself". And in fact, many times you can't.

I don't perpetuate bullying, I was bullied myself. What I am saying is that kids need to learn how to deal with bullying properly, and be taught not to bully. At the end of the day, words are words, you choose to be effected by insults, no one else. You choose not to report bullying or not to fight back against it. And for those who can't report it because no-one takes it seriously in their area then they are sadly the ones who are stuck, and that is why we need to take it more seriously in the end, and as I said earlier in this post, teach kids not to bully, and how to deal with it.

[New haven america]

1. No they don't, unless any serious injuries occur (Which they are required by law to report and deal with), 90% of the time the bullies will get a knock it off, maybe a slight slap on the wrist (Like detention), but overall, the school won't do anything actually meaningful. If anything, reporting it to teachers will just make the bullying worse, because then you'll be seen as a snitch, and the bullies will want their revenge.
2. No, you can try, but until they have actual reason to act (Extreme physical damage), they'll only see it as "Kids being kids" and won't do jackshit about it.

Yet again, it's very apparent you don't know what you're talking about.

The bigger problem is that attitudes like Datloff and others are displaying does nothing but perpetuate bullying.

It might not be apparent at first, but that's exactly what it does. Telling kids to "get over it" is basically telling them "you're a pussy for not defending yourself". And in fact, many times you can't.

Oh, totally.

Also, kids are utterly vicious to each other, and it seems that their just getting worse and worse as time goes on. Bullying isn't really something the victims alone can deal with nowadays.

[Datlofff]

I see this devolving now but I will make a counter argument anyways.

Again, report things to the admin of your school, they will handle bullying.

If your bullies are your siblings well, that sounds like a family issue based entirely on your parents inability to realize this, or you are just as you said yourself, a pussy, and can't take your older siblings picking on you to get a reaction out of you. (unless ofc it is excessive, and that again falls on your parents)

Also, my advice was geared specifically toward school kids bullying you, or people in the workplace/generally anyone stranger outside school.

Great, thanks for showing you don't understand the issue. We can safely ignore anything you say beyond this point now.

I understand the issue, what I said is true, if your parents can't help you then you are unfortunately stuck, what else do you want me to say? Murder your siblings? Wait till you get old enough to fight back and kick their ass?

[Chuching]

Yeah, those kids with six-figure earning parents NEED free school lunch! It's one thing if you absolutely cannot afford lunch(Below the poverty line). But if someone has parents earning a decent income, they do not need taxpayer-funded lunch. They can pay for it.

The problem is then how much do they get, and do they get bullied for having less means than others?

My dad made six figures too, but I was in the free lunch school program because my family had too many children in it.

Don't presume that just because some of us have fathers earning 6 figures, that we don't realize there's a problem even at schools. Children will bully for just about everything.

What are you suggesting? No matter what you do lunch-wise, kids will be bullied. As you said. "Children will bully for just about anything". And the government cannot simply force everyone to eat the exact same lunch(By making school lunch free and prohibiting home-brought lunch), as the benefits of this(Equality + slightly less bullying) are massively outweighed by the harms(The vast majority of school lunches are disgusting, and people have different tastes in food). While exceptions could be made for people with abnormal amounts of children, people should get free lunch or not based off of general income.

[Luminesa]

I'm suggesting this because it could be a good alternative.
But if it isn't then so be it. But installing government bullying programs isn't the way either, if some paid government grunt shows up every day to bully you there's nothing you can really do against that,

Obviously the government grunt would only be bullying people until they were sufficiently toughened up, however that would ultimately be assessed. Maybe you get to graduate once you break their nose.

just let nature run its course. It's called survival of the fittest, neat stuff.

Nature would have some children not learn the valuable lessons that you claim being bullied teaches. Why should we accept that?

Bullying is just one of many obstacles one must overcome in life, succeed and you become stronger and wiser, hence it 'builds character'.

So why do you oppose making sure that everyone overcomes that obstacle and thus becomes stronger and wiser?

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Tell someone who actually cares about society and humanity in general to do that, I'm not wasting my time and energy on pushing some idea.


Actually teaching kids basic survival lessons is a great idea. I've served with the boyscouts myself for years and learned a great deal there. Teaching kids basics like how to safely make a campfire, how to make basic knots, identifying what flora's poisonous and what's edible etc.

Right, teach them how to light a fire, teach them which plants are poisonous. Not just leaving them in the woods and letting nature take its course, "survival of the fittest".

So, once again, when done in a humane and efficient way, a great idea.

Again, what's inhumane about bullying?

I don't see why you guys keep taking a small part of my ideas and push them to the utter extreme, I mean it'd make for a hella metal society but y'all can't handle that so you might want to stop giving me all these ideas

But you keep arguing against my ideas. You're calling them inhumane. Clearly it is you that cannot handle the logical course of action that should be taken if we accept the premise that being bullied is beneficial.

If you love this idea so much, Ifreann, of having kids breaks the noses of government officials, perhaps you can go recommend it to your local PTA. I'm sure they'll appreciate your views about children and bullying. In the meantime, perhaps you should see someone about all the gaslighting you're doing, it's really unhealthy. Doom never said to just leave kids in the woods, you did. If you're into that sort of thing, hey! Go recommend that to the Boy Scouts! Go and make your community a better place!

[Saiwania]

Telling kids to "get over it" is basically telling them "you're a pussy for not defending yourself". And in fact, many times you can't.

You do have to "get over it" to a certain extent. You'd be whining every day until the cows come home if you're hurt by every single instance of someone else merely being mean towards you.

[Datlofff]

Telling kids to "get over it" is basically telling them "you're a pussy for not defending yourself". And in fact, many times you can't.

You do have to "get over it" to a certain extent. You'd be whining every day until the cows come home if you're hurt by every single instance of someone else merely being mean towards you.

^^^this

[New haven america]

Telling kids to "get over it" is basically telling them "you're a pussy for not defending yourself". And in fact, many times you can't.

You do have to "get over it" to a certain extent. You'd be whining every day until the cows come home if you're hurt by every single instance of someone else merely being mean towards you.

And here's your increadibly warped version of the real world popping up again.

[Luminesa]

Telling kids to "get over it" is basically telling them "you're a pussy for not defending yourself". And in fact, many times you can't.

You do have to "get over it" to a certain extent. You'd be whining every day until the cows come home if you're hurt by every single instance of someone else merely being mean towards you.

It's one thing to get up and to move on, but if it's happening repeatedly by the same group of people, something has to be done. You don't just "get over it".

[Soldati Senza Confini]

The bigger problem is that attitudes like Datloff and others are displaying does nothing but perpetuate bullying.

It might not be apparent at first, but that's exactly what it does. Telling kids to "get over it" is basically telling them "you're a pussy for not defending yourself". And in fact, many times you can't.

I don't perpetuate bullying, I was bullied myself. What I am saying is that kids need to learn how to deal with bullying properly, and be taught not to bully. At the end of the day, words are words, you choose to be effected by insults, no one else. You choose not to report bullying or not to fight back against it. And for those who can't report it because no-one takes it seriously in their area then they are sadly the ones who are stuck, and that is why we need to take it more seriously in the end, and as I said earlier in this post, teach kids not to bully, and how to deal with it.

Yes, yes you are.

You say you don't, and on the next breath you repeat the same tired lines bullied kids keep listening and do nothing to stop their bullies from bullying them. "Words are words, you choose to be effected by insults" isn't something a child understands. Adults understand that (although not all, you can get shot over an argument). Children do not.

You don't "choose" not to retaliate or to report it. You simply try to do what you think, in your mind, will be the safest course of action for you.

Each and every time I told someone to stop bullying me, or I retaliated verbally, they wanted to kick my ass or guilt tripped me into keep talking to them so they could perpetuate the bullying. So I had to take it and deal with it because to me, it was almost always the risk of entering a physical confrontation and I didn't want to go back home with bruises because then my parents would ground me and question me. I had to look out for my wellbeing first, and that's what everyone does and should do, try to get out of a situation unharmed, even if it means you don't do anything but lower your head and nod.

Kids shouldn't be taught how to "deal with bullying", they need to be able to have adults around them who will listen to them and teach kids how not to bully. Nobody should have to "deal with it".

[New haven america]

Great, thanks for showing you don't understand the issue. We can safely ignore anything you say beyond this point now.

I understand the issue, what I said is true, if your parents can't help you then you are unfortunately stuck, what else do you want me to say? Murder your siblings? Wait till you get old enough to fight back and kick their ass?

Obviously you don't, because that's considered family violence.

[Escocaria]

I don't see the faculty being able to effectively enforce this policy of 'anti-lunch shaming.' I hate bullying as much as the next person, I went through it for one but I still think this wont work.

[New haven america]

The bigger problem is that attitudes like Datloff and others are displaying does nothing but perpetuate bullying.

It might not be apparent at first, but that's exactly what it does. Telling kids to "get over it" is basically telling them "you're a pussy for not defending yourself". And in fact, many times you can't.

1.I don't perpetuate bullying. 2.At the end of the day, words are words, you choose to be effected by insults, no one else.

1. Yes you do, you may say you don't, but you do.
2. Say it with me now: "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words leave psychological scars that never heal~"

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Telling kids to "get over it" is basically telling them "you're a pussy for not defending yourself". And in fact, many times you can't.

You do have to "get over it" to a certain extent. You'd be whining every day until the cows come home if you're hurt by every single instance of someone else merely being mean towards you.

Yes, if someone is being mean towards you how the fuck is that not worth reporting to their parents or teachers?

Parents have one responsibility: to look after the well-being of their children. Their well-being isn't just physical well-being either.

[Rupudska]

I thought this was going to be about banning shaming the school 'lunches' provided by most American schools, and was going to crack a joke about how most schools in the US provide lunches of quality inferior to that of prisons.

But this is actually good. Good for you, New Mexico.