New Mexico bans "Lunch shaming"

[Doom Legions]

Tell someone who actually cares about society and humanity in general to do that, I'm not wasting my time and energy on pushing some idea.

Newsflash, being a nihilist isn't about trying to be edgy.

Being """edgy""" hasn't been remotely "cool" or made anyone look interesting since it became the internet's collective "thing" maybe five years ago.

And you're saying this because...?

[Datlofff]

How so? Free speech doesn't count as free speech when it hurts feelings?



What great despair comes from sources outside of life? Acts of God?

When it gets to the point where it hurts and you don't want to come to school/work beacuse of consent form a certain source harassment ether verbal or physical.

It lowers productivity, morality, and, mental health.


Outside sources meaning other people. Not from outside of life.

If you are being harassed physically, either report it to the police, deal with it, or fight back.
If you are being harassed verbally, deal with it, ignore it, or cut them out of your life/block them on social media if it is internet based.

[Datlofff]

-Darwin quote about the strongest of a species living to pass on genes, but the weakest will die off-

I don't think you understand what he said.

Wasnt his entire book about how natural selection is survival of the fittest? The strongest and best equipped to survive pass on their genes, and the weakest will all die off, making the species stronger as a whole?

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

When it gets to the point where it hurts and you don't want to come to school/work beacuse of consent form a certain source harassment ether verbal or physical.

It lowers productivity, morality, and, mental health.


Outside sources meaning other people. Not from outside of life.

If you are being harassed physically, either report it to the police, deal with it, or fight back.
If you are being harassed verbally, deal with it, ignore it, or cut them out of your life/block them on social media if it is internet based.

Hence making it illegal.

Verbal harassment online is harder to deal with then just "block them on social media".I know that first hand.

Oh how do I ever know this first hand.

In IRL, its even harder to do so when its workplace harassment or school based.

[Ryock]

So...

Why not advocate for that assertiveness course to become part of the core curriculum?

Tell someone who actually cares about society and humanity in general to do that, I'm not wasting my time and energy on pushing some idea.

Entire history of humanity is eliminating survival of fittest, and removing the obstacles. Going by your 'logic', perhaps we should drop kids in middle of the woods in their undergarments to survive for 18 years - survival of fittest and building of character.

Actually teaching kids basic survival lessons is a great idea. I've served with the boyscouts myself for years and learned a great deal there. Teaching kids basics like how to safely make a campfire, how to make basic knots, identifying what flora's poisonous and what's edible etc.

So, once again, when done in a humane and efficient way, a great idea.
I don't see why you guys keep taking a small part of my ideas and push them to the utter extreme, I mean it'd make for a hella metal society but y'all can't handle that so you might want to stop giving me all these ideas

Why should any of your ideas even be taken seriously? Apparently you don't care about society or humanity at all.

[Doom Legions]

Tell someone who actually cares about society and humanity in general to do that, I'm not wasting my time and energy on pushing some idea.


Actually teaching kids basic survival lessons is a great idea. I've served with the boyscouts myself for years and learned a great deal there. Teaching kids basics like how to safely make a campfire, how to make basic knots, identifying what flora's poisonous and what's edible etc.

So, once again, when done in a humane and efficient way, a great idea.
I don't see why you guys keep taking a small part of my ideas and push them to the utter extreme, I mean it'd make for a hella metal society but y'all can't handle that so you might want to stop giving me all these ideas

Why should any of your ideas even be taken seriously? Apparently you don't care about society or humanity at all.

The same reason I should take anything you say seriously, I figure.

[Datlofff]

If you are being harassed physically, either report it to the police, deal with it, or fight back.
If you are being harassed verbally, deal with it, ignore it, or cut them out of your life/block them on social media if it is internet based.

Hence making it illegal.

Verbal harassment online is harder to deal with then just "block them on social media".I know that first hand.

Oh how do I ever know this first hand.

In IRL, its even harder to do so when its workplace harassment or school based.

Still if its online what harm to you can they do? again, just ignore it, words are words, no need to get offended off a ugly thing someone says towards you.

Its really easy when its school/work based, its called, report it. If you report someone for bullying in most states at school, thats a suspension, and if they continue possible alternative school/expulsion. If they do it at work, report it to the manager and get them fired.

Ive faced bullying in school and it was simple to deal with, I either beat his ass, ignored it, or reported it, and it stopped every time.

I haven't been bullied in the workplace but still, simply report it, most managers don't let that stuff fly.

[New haven america]

I don't think you understand what he said.

Wasnt his entire book about how natural selection is survival of the fittest? The strongest and best equipped to survive pass on their genes, and the weakest will all die off, making the species stronger as a whole?

Survival of the fittest means that those who are best adapted to their environment will live and pass on their genes, those who aren't most likely won't (For example, Africans and white Europeans, Africans have darker skin to deal with the harsher sun, while white Europeans have lighter skin to absorb as much Vitamin D as possible due to there being less sunlight). However, if you were to take a separate species or ethnicity that is adapted to one environment, and plop them into a completely different environment, then they will most likely suffer as a result.

It doesn't mean "The strongest will always win." That's Social Darwinism, a very dangerous psuedo science.

[Ryock]

Why should any of your ideas even be taken seriously? Apparently you don't care about society or humanity at all.

The same reason I should take anything you say seriously, I figure.

And what is that reason?

[Doom Legions]

The same reason I should take anything you say seriously, I figure.

And what is that reason?

Because I'm a respectful individual who does not deny anyone here the chance to partake in this discussion, regardless of their opinions or views.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I don't think this can effectively be enforced and thus I'm against this. Enduring simple bullying builds character and lunch is optional. I didn't have it for nearly the entire duration of K-12. So far as lunch being the only source of food for some children, give me a break. Even the lowest incomes can afford food, that is part of the point of minimum wage. It is almost a given that if a child isn't getting any food at home, that they'd eventually wind up getting removed from that home by the state.

I happened to be bullied as a child for being different. Both by my peers and my siblings.

It made fuck all difference on my personality and character.

So no, that's wrong.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I'm normally the dude to tell people to "not be pussies," but kids can be vicious, dude. Sometimes, bullies really go beyond being a schoolhouse dick. I've seen it happen to plenty of kids, it isn't natural selection.

-Darwin quote about the strongest of a species living to pass on genes, but the weakest will die off-

Darwin never actually said anything about people being dicks to one another being natural selection.

You need to actually read his treatise.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Alright, I'm tiring of people in here acting like bullying is the worst thing in the world. My larger point is that life doesn't reward the weak and you'll come across plenty of unpleasant people in this world. I'm not referring to physical harm so much as verbal abuse. Happens in the workplace or wherever else, you just got to learn to not be too bothered by such things. In my experience, a display of weakness is an invitation for more people to try to get you upset.

Bullying is not the worst thing in the world. You're going to live through it, just like you would anything else.

To say bullying does build character is fucked up. Nobody who has been bullied has come out with a better "character" out of it than if they hadn't been bullied.

Verbal abuse, believe it or not, does hurt, and it is fucked up to advocate its use on children, or against other children if you are a child.

[New haven america]

When it gets to the point where it hurts and you don't want to come to school/work beacuse of consent form a certain source harassment ether verbal or physical.

It lowers productivity, morality, and, mental health.


Outside sources meaning other people. Not from outside of life.

1.If you are being harassed physically, either report it to the police, deal with it, or fight back.
2.If you are being harassed verbally, deal with it, ignore it, or cut them out of your life/block them on social media if it is internet based.

It doesn't fucking work like that, and the fact that you said it means you don't know what you're fucking talking about

1. If there's physical harassment, teachers won't do anything more than saying "Knock it off," the police won't do anything unless there's actual extreme physical damage (Broken bones, concussions, etc...), fighting back will generally turn into 1 vs. 2-7 people (The bully's friends will almost always get involved), and ignoring it will lead to worse harassment. Pack bullies also like stalking, so you have that to deal with.

2. They won't listen to you, you can't ignore it because chances are they'll never really stop, and cutting them out of your life can't work because you spend 6-8 hours a day in the same area as them 4-5 days a week.

And let's not forget the psychological scars that never heal.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

And hey, if they end up killing themselves, then they just weren't strong enough for the real world. *nod*

I'm familiar with Amanda Todd's story and I do unfortunately, have to conclude that she was weak in that she wasn't resilient. But the main problem that I see, was that she made mistakes and kept unintentionally providing oxygen to the fire that was following her figuratively speaking when she didn't have to. There were still courses of action that could've been taken to get on with life without having to necessarily move numerous times.

I think her parents didn't intervene enough and what they did do, I don't think it was all that helpful. No, I think they should've sorted this all out where they originally lived and not run away. If you can't confront a problem in one location, the same might probably happen elsewhere. It isn't realistic to keep moving just because of people being jerks.

When you're blackmailed, you got to recognize that your better choice is to simply call their bluff and brace for whatever minor impact you get. Giving in just gives your enemy more material to wield against you and gives them all of the leverage. She didn't need to hang out on Facebook and give too much stock over what the rumor mill from her school was saying. If you isolate yourself and ignore all criticism for long enough, eventually it all blows over because people get bored and they want to move onto a new target that they can get better mileage out of.

The vicious cycle could've been broken by her or with the help of her parents, but it wasn't. If you're visibly bothered, other people are sure to jump in to take advantage than if you simply brush off everything. This can be done while standing up for yourself which people are more keen to respect than someone who simply whines about being a victim.

All of this drama was almost certain to not have followed her after high school, so it truly did not matter in the long run. If she endured, everyone else would've had their own problems with college or work to concern themselves with bullying her anymore.

This is an incredibly stupid way to look at it.

Yes, you can call their bluff, but how much damage are they going to make due to a bluff is the question, and how do you call their bluff matters.

I've been blackmailed before. It's not nice, and it's not pretty. Some of us have to figure out in a snap moment how to deal with the situation. Some of us simply cannot. Also, the problem with social isolation is that it hurts. Some kids cannot tolerate social isolation because they're barely learning how to socialize, and having being told "oh just go downlow and don't socialize" can put an unnecessary burden on children.

FFS, don't ever plan to be a teacher with that attitude.

[New haven america]

I don't think this can effectively be enforced and thus I'm against this. Enduring simple bullying builds character and lunch is optional. I didn't have it for nearly the entire duration of K-12. So far as lunch being the only source of food for some children, give me a break. Even the lowest incomes can afford food, that is part of the point of minimum wage. It is almost a given that if a child isn't getting any food at home, that they'd eventually wind up getting removed from that home by the state.

I happened to be bullied as a child for being different. Both by my peers and my siblings.

It made fuck all difference on my personality and character.

So no, that's wrong.

If anything, it made my personality worse overall.

[Ifreann]

-snip that shit

You presume too much. I am perfectly capable of writing out my own opinions, your help is not needed in this.

I presume only that you sincerely believe what you claim to believe, and I hardly think that is too much.

I am starting to get a feeling you don't really know much about how bullying works amongst younger children. Getting some fullgrown man to bully little kids isn't going to be relevant to the real deal, it's like trying to vaccinate someone but instead of giving them the vaccination you give them a pumped up mutated version of the disease. They got no chance of fighting that.

If it benefits children to be abused by their peers, surely it will only benefit them more to be abused by an adult. They will have to become that much stronger to overcome this obstacle. Isn't that how it works? "Survival of the fittest"?

If they miss out on those lessons, though luck for them. There will be other things along the line to teach them similar lessons so they'll have their chances.

You may as well say the same thing about reading and writing.

I do not oppose it, I am stating that your idea for the method of doing it is not a good one.

Yes, teach. That's why we're humans and not a bunch of monkeys, we have developed an excellent means of communication amongst eachother, allowing us to teach the younger generations so that they don't wind up dead for testing if some plant is poisonous or not. Humanity has developed this significant advantage and we should use it.

bullying in itself is not inhumane, hiring some adult guy to bully little kids is not.

So what's the problem? We devise some means of effectively bullying all children until they have all been harassed and beaten and abused enough to all become strong. Perfectly humane, right?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

When it gets to the point where it hurts and you don't want to come to school/work beacuse of consent form a certain source harassment ether verbal or physical.

It lowers productivity, morality, and, mental health.


Outside sources meaning other people. Not from outside of life.

If you are being harassed physically, either report it to the police, deal with it, or fight back.
If you are being harassed verbally, deal with it, ignore it, or cut them out of your life/block them on social media if it is internet based.

You cannot cut off someone who you go to school with every day.

How the fuck do you prevent someone from harassing you verbally if you two go to the same school and you happen to know the same people?

[Datlofff]

1.If you are being harassed physically, either report it to the police, deal with it, or fight back.
2.If you are being harassed verbally, deal with it, ignore it, or cut them out of your life/block them on social media if it is internet based.

It doesn't fucking work like that, and the fact that you said it means you don't know what your fucking talking about

1. If there's physical harassment, teachers won't do anything more than saying "Knock it off," the police won't do anything unless there's actual extreme physical damage (Broken bones, concussions, etc...), fighting back will generally turn into 1 vs. 2-7 people (The bully's friends will almost always get involved), and ignoring it will lead to worse harassment. Pack bullies also like stalking, so you have that to deal with.

2. They won't listen to you, you can't ignore it because chances are they'll never really stop, and cutting them out of your life can't work because you spend 6-8 hours a day in the same area as them 4-5 days a week.

And let's not forget the psychological scars that never heal.

Actually, most schools now a-day's take bullying very seriously, if you say you are being being physically harassed I would be shocked to hear they didn't do anything about it, same with verbal harassment.

Also, if someone is physically assaulting you can and should press charges of assault upon them, because you have a legal right to do so, this BS about the police not doing anything until there is extreme physical damage is BS.

[MERIZoC]

I think there's quite a lot of confusion in this thread as to what this is addressing. This isnt about outlawing "bullying" by students towards other students—schools obviously already have anti-bullying rules in place (how well they're enacted is another thing). What this is about is preventing shaming of the students by school administration.

http://www.ajc.com/news/national/new-mexico-outlaws-lunch-shaming/M9F13RHfxngdeXFaEFLMVK/

I'm not sure how anyone could be against preventing blatant abuse by schools.

But Merizoc, haven't you heard how abuse builds character? We shouldn't be preventing it, we should be encouraging it and expanding it. Otherwise we'll raise a generation of wimps who cry and talk about their feelings.

Can confirm, when I was a kid, my dad beat me so bad my lacrimal glands were permanently damaged and I can no longer cry.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

It doesn't fucking work like that, and the fact that you said it means you don't know what your fucking talking about

1. If there's physical harassment, teachers won't do anything more than saying "Knock it off," the police won't do anything unless there's actual extreme physical damage (Broken bones, concussions, etc...), fighting back will generally turn into 1 vs. 2-7 people (The bully's friends will almost always get involved), and ignoring it will lead to worse harassment. Pack bullies also like stalking, so you have that to deal with.

2. They won't listen to you, you can't ignore it because chances are they'll never really stop, and cutting them out of your life can't work because you spend 6-8 hours a day in the same area as them 4-5 days a week.

And let's not forget the psychological scars that never heal.

Actually, most schools now a-day's take bullying very seriously, if you say you are being being physically harassed I would be shocked to hear they didn't do anything about it, same with verbal harassment.

Also, if someone is physically assaulting you can and should press charges of assault upon them, because you have a legal right to do so, this BS about the police not doing anything until there is extreme physical damage is BS.

Well, law enforcement in many places doesn't really take child scuffles seriously.

Often, you end up in a fight and the police won't stop it if it is two children fighting. To the cops, you simply don't know any better so they let you duke it out.

[Ifreann]

But Merizoc, haven't you heard how abuse builds character? We shouldn't be preventing it, we should be encouraging it and expanding it. Otherwise we'll raise a generation of wimps who cry and talk about their feelings.

Can confirm, when I was a kid, my dad beat me so bad my lacrimal glands were permanently damaged and I can no longer cry.

Manly as fuck.

[Sanctissima]

Is this the kind of thing that really needs to be made illegal?

I mean, I can understand wanting to punish and discourage this kind of bullying, but having an actual law passed regarding it is going a bit far.

[Datlofff]

If you are being harassed physically, either report it to the police, deal with it, or fight back.
If you are being harassed verbally, deal with it, ignore it, or cut them out of your life/block them on social media if it is internet based.

You cannot cut off someone who you go to school with every day.

How the fuck do you prevent someone from harassing you verbally if you two go to the same school and you happen to know the same people?

Report it, nuff said. (The part about the cut them out of your life/block them on social media thing is more towards the real world and not school, the entire statement was really.)

[Datlofff]

Actually, most schools now a-day's take bullying very seriously, if you say you are being being physically harassed I would be shocked to hear they didn't do anything about it, same with verbal harassment.

Also, if someone is physically assaulting you can and should press charges of assault upon them, because you have a legal right to do so, this BS about the police not doing anything until there is extreme physical damage is BS.

Well, law enforcement in many places doesn't really take child scuffles seriously.

Often, you end up in a fight and the police won't stop it if it is two children fighting. To the cops, you simply don't know any better so they let you duke it out.

If you are in school and are being physically harrased you can simply report it to the teachers, or in the event its a single person doing it and not a group, fight back. Most states have laws that allow schools to punish students for bullying outside of school aswell as in school.