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Virtue signalling is a big problem
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15%
Virtue signalling is a problem
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13%
Virtue signalling is a small problem
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10%
Virtue signalling is not a problem
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17%
Save the whales
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34%
Surveys are trustworthy
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Total votes : 247

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Postby Camicon » Mon Apr 10, 2017 6:38 pm

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Camicon wrote:That's not what I said. Your threads are not a product because you are not selling them, not because nobody is purchasing them. The book that nobody buys is still available for purchase. Your threads are not.

So books that authors freely give away aren't products?

Wow, you actually listened for once.
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I have consistently said that language conveys information better than money; here, I used "words" as shorthand. But written language is a system of communication facilitated by common understandings of particular symbols in particular arrangements, and what are emojis if not symbols?

Also, do you know what a joke is? Or context?

In any case, everybody intuitively understands that talk is cheap.

He said, unaware of the irony.
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If your theoretical system doesn't work in the real world, when you attempt to apply it, then your system sucks.

In the real world people spend their money to determine the order (relative importance) of lots of things. People use their money to determine that computers are relatively more important than gummy bears.

In the real world, people spend their money on the things they need in order to survive and function. Then they spend or save their money as they see fit to maximize their enjoyment of their life.
If it's important to know the relative importance of computers and gummy bears... then how could it not be important to know the relative importance of threads and Netflix content?

The relative importance of these things is important, I've never claimed otherwise. But how much someone spends on something is not a good or accurate indicator of it's relative importance. This is doubly true if you try to compare peoples spending habits.
"My" system is simply the logical extension of the system that we all regularly participate in and benefit from.

Your system is an unmitigated mess on every front.
Unfortunately, we take markets for granted and fail to appreciate what they are good for. Or, we incorrectly understand what they are good for. Lots of people think that markets are good for making money. But in reality markets are good for determining the relative importance of things. What makes them good at this is that everybody can use their money to participate in the process.

Unless they dont have money to waste on "letting people know their true valuation" of some random bullshit.

That group includes 99% of people, by the way.
With democracy everybody can certainly participate... but people use their votes rather than their money to participate.

A "democracy" where people use money instead of votes to determine the government is actually an oligarchy.
Votes are essentially talk and again, talk is cheap. With command economies only a few people can participate.

You know what else is cheap? Air. I don't pay a cent for it.
There's no bigger problem than figuring out the best way to order things.

Climate change springs to mind.
You can help solve the biggest problem in the world.

So could you. Go write your congressman about how you feel about climate change.
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Postby Xerographica » Mon Apr 10, 2017 6:50 pm

Izandai wrote:No, your system is to take a system that works in specific cases and misguidedly apply it to cases where it would not work.

Donors to the Libertarian Party (LP) were recently given the option to use their money to signal the value of potential convention themes. Here are the top results…

$6,222 — I’m That Libertarian!
$5,200 — Building Bridges, Not Walls
$1,620 — Pro-Choice on Everything
$1,377 — Empowering the Individual
$395 — The Power of Principle

The order (relative importance) of the themes was determined by the Invisible Hand (IH). Please explain, exactly, how this did not work.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Mon Apr 10, 2017 6:51 pm

Xerographica wrote:
Izandai wrote:No, your system is to take a system that works in specific cases and misguidedly apply it to cases where it would not work.

Donors to the Libertarian Party (LP) were recently given the option to use their money to signal the value of potential convention themes. Here are the top results…

$6,222 — I’m That Libertarian!
$5,200 — Building Bridges, Not Walls
$1,620 — Pro-Choice on Everything
$1,377 — Empowering the Individual
$395 — The Power of Principle

The order (relative importance) of the themes was determined by the Invisible Hand (IH). Please explain, exactly, how this did not work.


And? What happened to that money?
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Postby Xerographica » Mon Apr 10, 2017 6:54 pm

Camicon wrote:
If it's important to know the relative importance of computers and gummy bears... then how could it not be important to know the relative importance of threads and Netflix content?

The relative importance of these things is important, I've never claimed otherwise. But how much someone spends on something is not a good or accurate indicator of it's relative importance. This is doubly true if you try to compare peoples spending habits.

If the amount of money that people spend on computers and gummy bears does not accurately indicate their relative importance... then why in the world would you want people to have the freedom to decide how much money they spend on gummy bears and computers?
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Postby Xerographica » Mon Apr 10, 2017 6:55 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Xerographica wrote:Donors to the Libertarian Party (LP) were recently given the option to use their money to signal the value of potential convention themes. Here are the top results…

$6,222 — I’m That Libertarian!
$5,200 — Building Bridges, Not Walls
$1,620 — Pro-Choice on Everything
$1,377 — Empowering the Individual
$395 — The Power of Principle

The order (relative importance) of the themes was determined by the Invisible Hand (IH). Please explain, exactly, how this did not work.


And? What happened to that money?

It was donated to the LP.
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Postby Izandai » Mon Apr 10, 2017 6:55 pm

Xerographica wrote:
Izandai wrote:No, your system is to take a system that works in specific cases and misguidedly apply it to cases where it would not work.

Donors to the Libertarian Party (LP) were recently given the option to use their money to signal the value of potential convention themes. Here are the top results…

$6,222 — I’m That Libertarian!
$5,200 — Building Bridges, Not Walls
$1,620 — Pro-Choice on Everything
$1,377 — Empowering the Individual
$395 — The Power of Principle

The order (relative importance) of the themes was determined by the Invisible Hand (IH). Please explain, exactly, how this did not work.

Because nothing that happened there had anything to do with any sort of market economy, which is the only place the invisible hand operates.
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Although for some reason they always act insulted when I try to pay them to communicate how much I value sex.

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Postby Xerographica » Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:02 pm

Izandai wrote:
Xerographica wrote:Donors to the Libertarian Party (LP) were recently given the option to use their money to signal the value of potential convention themes. Here are the top results…

$6,222 — I’m That Libertarian!
$5,200 — Building Bridges, Not Walls
$1,620 — Pro-Choice on Everything
$1,377 — Empowering the Individual
$395 — The Power of Principle

The order (relative importance) of the themes was determined by the Invisible Hand (IH). Please explain, exactly, how this did not work.

Because nothing that happened there had anything to do with any sort of market economy, which is the only place the invisible hand operates.

So how was the order (relative importance) of the themes determined? The order obviously wasn't determined by the Democratic Hand (DH). Neither was it ordered by the Visible Hand (VH). So if it wasn't ordered by the IH.... then what does that leave?
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Postby Izandai » Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:07 pm

Xerographica wrote:
Izandai wrote:Because nothing that happened there had anything to do with any sort of market economy, which is the only place the invisible hand operates.

So how was the order (relative importance) of the themes determined? The order obviously wasn't determined by the Democratic Hand (DH). Neither was it ordered by the Visible Hand (VH). So if it wasn't ordered by the IH.... then what does that leave?

A version of democracy where voting is replaced with donating money. So not really a democracy at all. Basically this was a way for the Libertarian party to figure out what their richest supporters care about while at the same time getting everyone to donate a bunch of money to the party. Unless the donations were dominated by lots of smallish donations of about the same amount, in which case it was a way for Libertarians to figure out what their non-poor supporters care about while also getting them to donate a bunch of money to the party.
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Rambhutan wrote:
My blind porcupine takes exception to this


Your blind porcupine can read text? :blink:

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Izandai wrote:I try to be a generous fuck. I'm more likely to have sex with someone more than once that way.

Although for some reason they always act insulted when I try to pay them to communicate how much I value sex.

Ism wrote:We don't dislike what Trump does because he's Trump, we dislike Trump because of what Trump does.

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Telconi wrote:
Lots of people are evil, and most of them are closer to home than ISIS


Oooooh. The rare self burn.

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:15 pm

Xerographica wrote:
Izandai wrote:No, your system is to take a system that works in specific cases and misguidedly apply it to cases where it would not work.

Donors to the Libertarian Party (LP) were recently given the option to use their money to signal the value of potential convention themes. Here are the top results…

$6,222 — I’m That Libertarian!
$5,200 — Building Bridges, Not Walls
$1,620 — Pro-Choice on Everything
$1,377 — Empowering the Individual
$395 — The Power of Principle

The order (relative importance) of the themes was determined by the Invisible Hand (IH). Please explain, exactly, how this did not work.

By this logic, PBS should be showing nothing but Wayne Dyer, Suze Orman, and doo-wop reunions, because that's what the donors pledge money to...
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Postby Xerographica » Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:15 pm

Izandai wrote:
Xerographica wrote:So how was the order (relative importance) of the themes determined? The order obviously wasn't determined by the Democratic Hand (DH). Neither was it ordered by the Visible Hand (VH). So if it wasn't ordered by the IH.... then what does that leave?

A version of democracy where voting is replaced with donating money. So not really a democracy at all.

People spending instead of voting... sure sounds a lot like a market to me.

Does the Invisible Hand (IH) determine the order (relative importance) of the Cato Institute (CI) and the Roosevelt Institute (RI)?
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Postby Xerographica » Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:17 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Xerographica wrote:Donors to the Libertarian Party (LP) were recently given the option to use their money to signal the value of potential convention themes. Here are the top results…

$6,222 — I’m That Libertarian!
$5,200 — Building Bridges, Not Walls
$1,620 — Pro-Choice on Everything
$1,377 — Empowering the Individual
$395 — The Power of Principle

The order (relative importance) of the themes was determined by the Invisible Hand (IH). Please explain, exactly, how this did not work.

By this logic, PBS should be showing nothing but Wayne Dyer, Suze Orman, and doo-wop reunions, because that's what the donors pledge money to...

PBS allows donors to pledge money to specific shows?
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:20 pm

Xerographica wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:By this logic, PBS should be showing nothing but Wayne Dyer, Suze Orman, and doo-wop reunions, because that's what the donors pledge money to...

PBS allows donors to pledge money to specific shows?

What do you think the concert DVDs and tote bags are for?
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Postby Xerographica » Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:23 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Xerographica wrote:PBS allows donors to pledge money to specific shows?

What do you think the concert DVDs and tote bags are for?

So which PBS show is the most valuable?
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:27 pm

Xerographica wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:What do you think the concert DVDs and tote bags are for?

So which PBS show is the most valuable?

Clearly not Wayne Dyer, Suze Orman, or doo-wop reunions, because otherwise they wouldn't show those only during pledge drives.

It's almost as if PBS is telling us that they don't give a flying fuck about what we think when it comes to programming...
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Postby Camicon » Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:33 pm

Xerographica wrote:
Camicon wrote:
The relative importance of these things is important, I've never claimed otherwise. But how much someone spends on something is not a good or accurate indicator of it's relative importance. This is doubly true if you try to compare peoples spending habits.

If the amount of money that people spend on computers and gummy bears does not accurately indicate their relative importance... then why in the world would you want people to have the freedom to decide how much money they spend on gummy bears and computers?

I value computers a great deal, almost nearly more than anything else I own. If I was forced to pay $3000 for a computer, I would. But I don't want to pay $3000 if I don't have to. If the various computer manufacturers are competing for my money, and are all more-or-less able to create the computer I want for $500, then I will pay $500 for a computer, and also have $2500 to spend on other things I like.

I don't want to pay for things according to how much I value them. Firstly, I don't have the money for it; I can't afford to go spend my life savings on a glass of water when I'm dehydrated, nobody can. Secondly, I want to maximize the enjoyment I get from my life, which means spending as little as I am comfortable with on everything I need to buy, because then I have more money to do more things with.
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Postby Izandai » Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:35 pm

Xerographica wrote:
Izandai wrote:A version of democracy where voting is replaced with donating money. So not really a democracy at all.

People spending instead of voting... sure sounds a lot like a market to me.

Then you have no idea what a market is.
Does the Invisible Hand (IH) determine the order (relative importance) of the Cato Institute (CI) and the Roosevelt Institute (RI)?

Nope. Charities don't operate under the laws of free markets because people who donate to them are not spending money to purchase goods or services.
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My blind porcupine takes exception to this


Your blind porcupine can read text? :blink:

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Izandai wrote:I try to be a generous fuck. I'm more likely to have sex with someone more than once that way.

Although for some reason they always act insulted when I try to pay them to communicate how much I value sex.

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Telconi wrote:
Lots of people are evil, and most of them are closer to home than ISIS


Oooooh. The rare self burn.

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Postby Xerographica » Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:37 pm

Camicon wrote:
Xerographica wrote:If the amount of money that people spend on computers and gummy bears does not accurately indicate their relative importance... then why in the world would you want people to have the freedom to decide how much money they spend on gummy bears and computers?

I value computers a great deal, almost nearly more than anything else I own. If I was forced to pay $3000 for a computer, I would. But I don't want to pay $3000 if I don't have to. If the various computer manufacturers are competing for my money, and are all more-or-less able to create the computer I want for $500, then I will pay $500 for a computer, and also have $2500 to spend on other things I like.

I don't want to pay for things according to how much I value them. Firstly, I don't have the money for it; I can't afford to go spend my life savings on a glass of water when I'm dehydrated, nobody can. Secondly, I want to maximize the enjoyment I get from my life, which means spending as little as I am comfortable with on everything I need to buy, because then I have more money to do more things with.

Right now the Invisible Hand (IH) determines the order (relative importance) of gummy bears and computers. Do you believe that the Democratic Hand (DH) would be a better way to determine the order of gummy bears and computers?
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Postby Camicon » Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:39 pm

Xerographica wrote:
Camicon wrote:I value computers a great deal, almost nearly more than anything else I own. If I was forced to pay $3000 for a computer, I would. But I don't want to pay $3000 if I don't have to. If the various computer manufacturers are competing for my money, and are all more-or-less able to create the computer I want for $500, then I will pay $500 for a computer, and also have $2500 to spend on other things I like.

I don't want to pay for things according to how much I value them. Firstly, I don't have the money for it; I can't afford to go spend my life savings on a glass of water when I'm dehydrated, nobody can. Secondly, I want to maximize the enjoyment I get from my life, which means spending as little as I am comfortable with on everything I need to buy, because then I have more money to do more things with.

Right now the Invisible Hand (IH) determines the order (relative importance) of gummy bears and computers. Do you believe that the Democratic Hand (DH) would be a better way to determine the order of gummy bears and computers?

Everyone wants to pay as little as possible for things.

Gummy bears can be made for pennies.
Computers cannot be made for pennies.

Someone who values gummy bears more than computers is not going to voluntarily pay more for their gummy bears than their computer.

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Postby Izandai » Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:43 pm

Xerographica wrote:
Camicon wrote:I value computers a great deal, almost nearly more than anything else I own. If I was forced to pay $3000 for a computer, I would. But I don't want to pay $3000 if I don't have to. If the various computer manufacturers are competing for my money, and are all more-or-less able to create the computer I want for $500, then I will pay $500 for a computer, and also have $2500 to spend on other things I like.

I don't want to pay for things according to how much I value them. Firstly, I don't have the money for it; I can't afford to go spend my life savings on a glass of water when I'm dehydrated, nobody can. Secondly, I want to maximize the enjoyment I get from my life, which means spending as little as I am comfortable with on everything I need to buy, because then I have more money to do more things with.

Right now the Invisible Hand (IH) determines the order (relative importance) of gummy bears and computers. Do you believe that the Democratic Hand (DH) would be a better way to determine the order of gummy bears and computers?

Why do you keep setting up abbreviations for terms that you only use once in each post every post?
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Your blind porcupine can read text? :blink:

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Izandai wrote:I try to be a generous fuck. I'm more likely to have sex with someone more than once that way.

Although for some reason they always act insulted when I try to pay them to communicate how much I value sex.

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Postby Xerographica » Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:54 pm

Izandai wrote:
Xerographica wrote:People spending instead of voting... sure sounds a lot like a market to me.

Then you have no idea what a market is.
Does the Invisible Hand (IH) determine the order (relative importance) of the Cato Institute (CI) and the Roosevelt Institute (RI)?

Nope. Charities don't operate under the laws of free markets because people who donate to them are not spending money to purchase goods or services.

Taxonomists create characteristic keys for identifying species. Let's try and do the same thing but for the different ways to determine the order (relative importance) of things...

Can everyone participate?

If Yes...

----How do they participate?

--------If voting... then it's the Democratic Hand (DH)

--------If spending... then it's the Invisible Hand (IH)

If No... then it's the Visible Hand (VH)

That's it. The DH, IH and VH are the only significant ways of determining the order (relative importance) of things.

Let's use our checklist for the non-profit sector.

Can everyone participate? Yes
How do they participate? Spending

Therefore... the order of the non-profit sector is determined by the IH. It's definitely not ordered by the DH or the VH.
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Postby Xerographica » Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:57 pm

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Xerographica wrote:Right now the Invisible Hand (IH) determines the order (relative importance) of gummy bears and computers. Do you believe that the Democratic Hand (DH) would be a better way to determine the order of gummy bears and computers?

Everyone wants to pay as little as possible for things.

Gummy bears can be made for pennies.
Computers cannot be made for pennies.

Someone who values gummy bears more than computers is not going to voluntarily pay more for their gummy bears than their computer.

Ya dig?

You really didn't answer my question. I'm pretty sure that you understood it... so I'm guessing that you're deliberately choosing not to answer it.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:59 pm

Xerographica wrote:
Camicon wrote:Everyone wants to pay as little as possible for things.

Gummy bears can be made for pennies.
Computers cannot be made for pennies.

Someone who values gummy bears more than computers is not going to voluntarily pay more for their gummy bears than their computer.

Ya dig?

You really didn't answer my question. I'm pretty sure that you understood it... so I'm guessing that you're deliberately choosing not to answer it.

Now you know how Gallo feels.

Every. Damn. Thread of yours.
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Postby Camicon » Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:00 pm

Xerographica wrote:
Camicon wrote:Everyone wants to pay as little as possible for things.

Gummy bears can be made for pennies.
Computers cannot be made for pennies.

Someone who values gummy bears more than computers is not going to voluntarily pay more for their gummy bears than their computer.

Ya dig?

You really didn't answer my question. I'm pretty sure that you understood it... so I'm guessing that you're deliberately choosing not to answer it.

I did answer your question, but not within the false terms you set before me.
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Postby Xerographica » Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:04 pm

Camicon wrote:
Xerographica wrote:You really didn't answer my question. I'm pretty sure that you understood it... so I'm guessing that you're deliberately choosing not to answer it.

I did answer your question, but not within the false terms you set before me.

Over and over you've argued that speaking (ie voting) is more effective than spending at transmitting preference intensity information. Yet, you really haven't argued for using the Democratic Hand (DH) to determine the order (relative importance) of gummy bears and computers.
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Postby Xerographica » Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:07 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Xerographica wrote:You really didn't answer my question. I'm pretty sure that you understood it... so I'm guessing that you're deliberately choosing not to answer it.

Now you know how Gallo feels.

Every. Damn. Thread of yours.

Usually his questions are outlandish... but I make the effort to try and answer them. But sometimes they are so far out in left-field that I don't even know where to begin.
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