Mike Pence mocked for avoiding temptation to commit adultery

[Aquesta]

Pence is a solid guy. And it would be very illogical for someone to criticise for doing this.

[The Alma Mater]

I don't understand the obsession over this. The man doesn't want his image smeared, so what?

People want to make certain that HIS attitude is seen as the odd one; instead of accepting the suggestion that it is not normal for men and women to hang out together. That men and women being friends is something which is odd and should be viewed with suspicion.

Considering quite a few people in this very thread already seem to be think along the lines of view number 2 I fear it might be too little too late though.

[Novus America]

I don't understand the obsession over this. The man doesn't want his image smeared, so what?

People want to make certain that HIS attitude is seen as the odd one; instead of accepting the suggestion that it is not normal for men and women to hang out together. That men and women being friends is something which is odd and should be viewed with suspicion.

Considering quite a few people in this very thread already seem to be think along the lines of view number 2 I fear it might be too little too late though.

Being a politician in modern America literally everything you do is viewed with suspicion. So who could blame him for that?
His motive seems odd perhaps but his caution is certainly 100% justifiable. I would be less concerned about temptation, and more worried about CNN making up a scandal or being sued for sexual harassment even if you did nothing.

It is not paranoia when in his case literally tens of millions are out to get you.

[The Alma Mater]

People want to make certain that HIS attitude is seen as the odd one; instead of accepting the suggestion that it is not normal for men and women to hang out together. That men and women being friends is something which is odd and should be viewed with suspicion.

Considering quite a few people in this very thread already seem to be think along the lines of view number 2 I fear it might be too little too late though.

Being a politician in modern America literally everything you do is viewed with suspicion. So who could blame him for that?
His motive seems odd perhaps but his caution is certainly 100% justifiable. I would be less concerned about temptation, and more worried about CNN making up a scandal or being sued for sexual harassment even if you did nothing.

It is not paranoia when in his case literally tens of millions are out to get you.

The problem is that the average Joe (or at least, many of the people posting here who I assume are not all VPs as well) also seem to believe it is odd if a man and a woman "hang out" for non-professional reasons. Actions like these ofc only reinforce that idea.

[The Californian South]

Republicans probably have an unusually high level of testosterone tbh

[Novus America]

Being a politician in modern America literally everything you do is viewed with suspicion. So who could blame him for that?
His motive seems odd perhaps but his caution is certainly 100% justifiable. I would be less concerned about temptation, and more worried about CNN making up a scandal or being sued for sexual harassment even if you did nothing.

It is not paranoia when in his case literally tens of millions are out to get you.

The problem is that the average Joe (or at least, many of the people posting here who I assume are not all VPs as well) also seem to believe it is odd if a man and a woman "hang out" for non-professional reasons. Actions like these ofc only reinforce that idea.

Well even for the average Joe there is still a danger in hanging out with someone of the opposite sex who is your employee.
As long as they are not your employee you should probably okay though.

The average Joe needs not to live in sheer terror all the time, but still you have to watch out for the appearance of impropriety, even when nothing is wrong.

[Gauthier]

Republicans probably have an unusually high level of testosterone tbh

Given historical Family Values trends in Republican politics, Mike Pence is statistically more likely to better avoid being alone with another man.

[Grave_n_idle]

Pence is a solid guy. And it would be very illogical for someone to criticise for doing this.

It would be illogical for someone NOT to criticise.

The guy is the Vice President of the US - his job is basically meeting with people. If he's saying he can't meet with people if they happen to be women, that is a position that SHOULD be criticised.

[Novus America]

Pence is a solid guy. And it would be very illogical for someone to criticise for doing this.

It would be illogical for someone NOT to criticise.

The guy is the Vice President of the US - his job is basically meeting with people. If he's saying he can't meet with people if they happen to be women, that is a position that SHOULD be criticised.

He can meet with people. Just he prefers to have someone else there. Which is a smart legal position, his motive is a little odd though. One on one meetings with someone of the opposite gender in his position is a bad idea, because again literally millions such a you are out to get him.
I would be more worried about fake news or lawsuits than "temptation".

But for added safety and equality he should apply it to men as well.

[Twilight Imperium]

Much as this seems a little weird and 19th-century, I can honestly respect a conservative both sticking to his professed beliefs and also making an effort not to be weird at other women. Is the degree to which he's doing so extreme? Yeah, a bit - but erring on the side of caution and NOT going out and making a scene deserves a solid golf clap.

Good show, Pence.

[Frank Zipper]

Has he considered wearing a chastity belt?

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

Look. Don't like the guy. Don't trust the guy. But sure as shit not desperate enough to start scraping the bottom of the barrel to mock him for taking steps to be above reproach. Hell of a lot better than the guys who are all talk, then get caught in the men's room getting jerked off by some young stud, or in flagrante delicto with their honey in the Hamptons, neh?

ffs, people ... if you weren't already convinced our politics had reached critical levels of stupid way back when they were comparing penis sizes during a presidential debate?

"Here's yer sign."

[Twilight Imperium]

Look. Don't like the guy. Don't trust the guy. But sure as shit not desperate enough to start scraping the bottom of the barrel to mock him for taking steps to be above reproach. Hell of a lot better than the guys who are all talk, then get caught in the men's room getting jerked off by some young stud, or in flagrante delicto with their honey in the Hamptons, neh?

ffs, people ... if you weren't already convinced our politics had reached critical levels of stupid way back when they were comparing penis sizes during a presidential debate?

"Here's yer sign."

Right? Dude's a weirdo conservative, but he's an honest one.

[Shamhnan Insir]

Look. Don't like the guy. Don't trust the guy. But sure as shit not desperate enough to start scraping the bottom of the barrel to mock him for taking steps to be above reproach. Hell of a lot better than the guys who are all talk, then get caught in the men's room getting jerked off by some young stud, or in flagrante delicto with their honey in the Hamptons, neh?

ffs, people ... if you weren't already convinced our politics had reached critical levels of stupid way back when they were comparing penis sizes during a presidential debate?

"Here's yer sign."

Pretty much nailed it, in my opinion.

[Grave_n_idle]

He can meet with people. Just he prefers to have someone else there.

That's not what he said.

Which is a smart legal position,

Whether or not it's a smart legal position is somewhat irrelevant.

One on one meetings with someone of the opposite gender in his position is a bad idea, because again literally millions such a you are out to get him.

Wait, what?

Don't start conjuring up bullshit. Where did I say I was out to get him?

I would be more worried about fake news

Don't be ridiculous. 'Fake news' is fake news.

But for added safety and equality he should apply it to men as well.

If he'd have said he never met ANYONE without someone attending, there'd probably never have been a story.

But he specified women, which is discriminatory. At best.

[Grave_n_idle]

Look. Don't like the guy. Don't trust the guy. But sure as shit not desperate enough to start scraping the bottom of the barrel to mock him for taking steps to be above reproach. Hell of a lot better than the guys who are all talk, then get caught in the men's room getting jerked off by some young stud, or in flagrante delicto with their honey in the Hamptons, neh?

Nonsensical post.

We don't know yet if he's going to "get caught in a men's room getting jerked off by some young stud".

The fact that he says he never meets one-on-one with specifically women doesn't mean he never does have such meetings, and it certainly doesn't rule out handjobs from dudes - who it's apparently just fine to meet alone.

He's not being mocked for taking steps to be beyond reproach - he's being mocked for discrimination, for lowering the brand (some men believe men CAN control their own desires), and for using his wife as a security blanket.

[Novus America]

He can meet with people. Just he prefers to have someone else there.

That's not what he said.

Which is a smart legal position,

Whether or not it's a smart legal position is somewhat irrelevant.

One on one meetings with someone of the opposite gender in his position is a bad idea, because again literally millions such a you are out to get him.

Wait, what?

Don't start conjuring up bullshit. Where did I say I was out to get him?

I would be more worried about fake news

Don't be ridiculous. 'Fake news' is fake news.

But for added safety and equality he should apply it to men as well.

If he'd have said he never met ANYONE without someone attending, there'd probably never have been a story.

But he specified women, which is discriminatory. At best.

How is doing the legally smart thing bad?

And do not pretend you would not love any reason, real or imagined to remove him from office.

Yes fake news is fake news, and being falsely accused of sexual harassment or adultery would be fake news. He should want to avoid that.

He knows full well how the game is played and that the modern media is hyper partisan and prone to just making shit up or reporting even the flimsiest accusations without a shrewd of real evidence beyond alleged anonymous hearsay.
And yes both parties do this.

I do see why limiting it only to women could be an issue though.

[Zocra]

Very admirable.

[Grave_n_idle]

How is doing the legally smart thing bad?

Who said it was?

Respond to what I did say, rather than what you wish I'd said.

And do not pretend you would not love any reason, real or imagined to remove him from office.

I would love to see him voted out of office, sure.

But that's very different to the ridiculous nonsense you're saying.

Do I think he's fit for the office? Good gods, no. Would I 'do anything' to remove him from office? No.

Yes fake news is fake news, and being falsely accused of sexual harassment or adultery would be fake news. He should want to avoid that.

"Fake news' is one of those phrases that someone can say that really makes you question their credibility.

He knows full well how the game is played and that the modern media is hyper partisan

..and, here's another.

I do see why limiting it only to women could be an issue though.

An issue?

It's THE issue.

[The Alma Mater]

The problem is that the average Joe (or at least, many of the people posting here who I assume are not all VPs as well) also seem to believe it is odd if a man and a woman "hang out" for non-professional reasons. Actions like these ofc only reinforce that idea.

Well even for the average Joe there is still a danger in hanging out with someone of the opposite sex who is your employee.
As long as they are not your employee you should probably okay though.

The average Joe needs not to live in sheer terror all the time, but still you have to watch out for the appearance of impropriety, even when nothing is wrong.

And again with the whole "when a man and a woman hang out together it is suspect" angle. Depressing

[The Lone Alliance]

You'd think with a President that admits to grabbing people by the Pussy we'd prefer a Vice President that won't get anywhere near a pussy....

[Ashmoria]

Pence is a solid guy. And it would be very illogical for someone to criticise for doing this.

pence is a tool who is very bad at his job. it is illogical NOT to criticize a man for sex discrimination on the job.

[New haven america]

Look. Don't like the guy. Don't trust the guy. But sure as shit not desperate enough to start scraping the bottom of the barrel to mock him for taking steps to be above reproach.

It's not scraping the bottom of the barrel if he's giftwrapping the material to criticize him with.

[Ashmoria]

That's not what he said.



Whether or not it's a smart legal position is somewhat irrelevant.



Wait, what?

Don't start conjuring up bullshit. Where did I say I was out to get him?



Don't be ridiculous. 'Fake news' is fake news.



If he'd have said he never met ANYONE without someone attending, there'd probably never have been a story.

But he specified women, which is discriminatory. At best.

How is doing the legally smart thing bad?

And do not pretend you would not love any reason, real or imagined to remove him from office.

Yes fake news is fake news, and being falsely accused of sexual harassment or adultery would be fake news. He should want to avoid that.

He knows full well how the game is played and that the modern media is hyper partisan and prone to just making shit up or reporting even the flimsiest accusations without a shrewd of real evidence beyond alleged anonymous hearsay.
And yes both parties do this.

I do see why limiting it only to women could be an issue though.

discrimination is not legally smart

tens of millions of men find themselves alone with women who are not their wives every freaking day and are never falsely accused of misbehavior.

I think pence can risk it.

[New haven america]

You're missing the point.

Taking this "View" of morality shows that Pence either: A) Doesn't have faith in himself, or B) Doesn't have faith in others. As stated by CTOAN earlier, either Pence thinks that he's just so fucking irresistible that without his wife around all women would pounce on him given the opportunity, or he thinks that without his chaperone (His wife) then he won't have the self-control to not fuck the nearest female, both of which paint him in a really bad light.

This also creates an administration problem, seeing as his female coworkers will have a harder time working with him than his male coworkers.

I'd just like to add that I find this view particularly toxic to any religion. Christians, Muslims, Jews, etc... who decide to do things like this are just showing that they either have no self-control or have insanely massive egos.

Thank you for taking the time for your reply, New Haven America.

I had to think long on how to reply, how to address your accusations presented. It's a common theme in this thread, and one I have a hard time wrapping my head around because I don't think the necessary way to comprehend how someone can come to this conclusion. I state earnestly that this is not an insult. Instead, it represents the way I was grown up, the manner, and the way I view the world. It's an individual viewpoint that, when overlayed with the common theme in this thread, seems contrasting.

I believe the best way I can go about my rebuttal in the safest possible manner is to ask a question. The question is, with the choices you provided to explain his statement, have you considered a another possibility that he was being truthful? I ask this because it appears your placing your own biased - and I'm not trying to accuse here - of what you view society as on Mr. Pence. I agree there are things I disagree with him, but I state this because you seem to fail to provide the alternative where no harm was intended.

I feel your choices present harm to his character, or are intended to, due to some bias. I don't feel you provide leeway for a neutral point of view. Therefore why I asked my question to clarify before I stated any further my position on the subject to avoid any unnecessary hurt feelings.

For clarification purposes, I'll restate my question. With the choices you provided to explain his statement (Mr. Pence), have you considered another possibility that he was being truthful?

Thank you for your time.

Yes, I'm very sure he was being truthful. He either fully admits that he's so lacking in self-control that he can't help but to fuck the nearest female body, or he thinks that he's so ungodly irresistible that no women could be near him without them wanting to fuck his brains out given the chance. I'm simply looking at this from a logical perspective, and from what I see, this just paints Pence in a very bad light.

I am looking at this from a neutral POV, and what I'm finding is pretty ridiculous.