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Postby Marado » Tue Apr 04, 2017 2:45 am

Rest in peace, Russia.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Apr 04, 2017 2:47 am

Vassenor wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:The article you cited?

"Interfax said the bomber was known to have links to radical Islam."


So where does it say that was his motivation, rather than just an incidental fact that everyone is seizing on because it fits their narrative?


Are you really that desperate to defend Islam?
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Postby Marado » Tue Apr 04, 2017 2:48 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So where does it say that was his motivation, rather than just an incidental fact that everyone is seizing on because it fits their narrative?


Are you really that desperate to defend Islam?


:eek:

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Postby Mattopilos II » Tue Apr 04, 2017 2:50 am

Vassenor wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:The article you cited?

"Interfax said the bomber was known to have links to radical Islam."


So where does it say that was his motivation, rather than just an incidental fact that everyone is seizing on because it fits their narrative?


Vass, there is realizing that not all Muslims commit terrorist acts and don't defend those acts, and then there is being downright blind to an attack that was clearly motivated by religion. Learn to separate the two, and please, PLEASE don't be the latter.
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Postby Bakery Hill » Tue Apr 04, 2017 2:51 am

Vassenor wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:The article you cited?

"Interfax said the bomber was known to have links to radical Islam."


So where does it say that was his motivation, rather than just an incidental fact that everyone is seizing on because it fits their narrative?

True, it's probably just a coincidence.

It's equally likely that he bombed a metro station killing eleven people because they raised ticket prices.
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Postby Marado » Tue Apr 04, 2017 2:52 am

Mattopilos II wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So where does it say that was his motivation, rather than just an incidental fact that everyone is seizing on because it fits their narrative?


Vass, there is realizing that not all Muslims commit terrorist acts and don't defend those acts, and then there is being downright blind to an attack that was clearly motivated by religion. Learn to separate the two, and please, PLEASE don't be the latter.


Why is Russia suffering from ISIS? I hope this doesn't reach the U.S. or China.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Apr 04, 2017 2:53 am

Marado wrote:
Mattopilos II wrote:
Vass, there is realizing that not all Muslims commit terrorist acts and don't defend those acts, and then there is being downright blind to an attack that was clearly motivated by religion. Learn to separate the two, and please, PLEASE don't be the latter.


Why is Russia suffering from ISIS? I hope this doesn't reach the U.S. or China.


It already has reached the US, Orlando happened.

Radical Islam doesn't discriminate, they'll kill just about everyone they can.
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Postby Marado » Tue Apr 04, 2017 2:53 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Marado wrote:
Why is Russia suffering from ISIS? I hope this doesn't reach the U.S. or China.


It already has reached the US, Orlando happened.

Radical Islam doesn't discriminate, they'll kill just about everyone they can.


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Postby Vassenor » Tue Apr 04, 2017 2:56 am

Alvecia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So where does it say that was his motivation, rather than just an incidental fact that everyone is seizing on because it fits their narrative?

Come on Vas, you're really stretching for that one.


Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So where does it say that was his motivation, rather than just an incidental fact that everyone is seizing on because it fits their narrative?


Are you really that desperate to defend Islam?


Three basic rules of investigation.

Assume Nothing
Believe Nothing
Challenge Everything.

At no point did I say it couldn't be. Just that we had no evidence that it was right now.
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Postby Marado » Tue Apr 04, 2017 2:56 am

Vassenor wrote:
Alvecia wrote:Come on Vas, you're really stretching for that one.


Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Are you really that desperate to defend Islam?


Three basic rules of investigation.

Assume Nothing
Believe Nothing
Challenge Everything.

At no point did I say it couldn't be. Just that we had no evidence that it was right now.


Call that, "The ABCs of Investigation".

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Postby Vassenor » Tue Apr 04, 2017 2:57 am

Mattopilos II wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So where does it say that was his motivation, rather than just an incidental fact that everyone is seizing on because it fits their narrative?


Vass, there is realizing that not all Muslims commit terrorist acts and don't defend those acts, and then there is being downright blind to an attack that was clearly motivated by religion. Learn to separate the two, and please, PLEASE don't be the latter.


So what is your evidence that this was motivated by religion?
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Postby Marado » Tue Apr 04, 2017 2:58 am

Vassenor wrote:
Mattopilos II wrote:
Vass, there is realizing that not all Muslims commit terrorist acts and don't defend those acts, and then there is being downright blind to an attack that was clearly motivated by religion. Learn to separate the two, and please, PLEASE don't be the latter.


So what is your evidence that this was motivated by religion?


Catching the culprits, interrogating them, and making them confess that ISIS is responsible for this.

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Postby Alvecia » Tue Apr 04, 2017 2:58 am

Vassenor wrote:
Alvecia wrote:Come on Vas, you're really stretching for that one.


Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Are you really that desperate to defend Islam?


Three basic rules of investigation.

Assume Nothing
Believe Nothing
Challenge Everything.

At no point did I say it couldn't be. Just that we had no evidence that it was right now.

I don't need to look at the weather report to assume that those black clouds overhead mean rain's coming.
Based on the available evidence of previous attacks and radical Islams explicit intentions, it is not illogical to assume they are the cause until proven otherwise.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Apr 04, 2017 2:59 am

Marado wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So what is your evidence that this was motivated by religion?


Catching the culprits, interrogating them, and making them confess that ISIS is responsible for this.


I mean what evidence do we have at this moment in time.
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Postby Marado » Tue Apr 04, 2017 2:59 am

Vassenor wrote:
Marado wrote:
Catching the culprits, interrogating them, and making them confess that ISIS is responsible for this.


I mean what evidence do we have at this moment in time.


Not much, but more will be revealed after interrogation.

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Postby Bakery Hill » Tue Apr 04, 2017 3:00 am

Vassenor wrote:
Alvecia wrote:Come on Vas, you're really stretching for that one.


Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Are you really that desperate to defend Islam?


Three basic rules of investigation.

Assume Nothing
Believe Nothing
Challenge Everything.

At no point did I say it couldn't be. Just that we had no evidence that it was right now.

Thanks detective.
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Postby Marado » Tue Apr 04, 2017 3:00 am

Bakery Hill wrote:
Vassenor wrote:


Three basic rules of investigation.

Assume Nothing
Believe Nothing
Challenge Everything.

At no point did I say it couldn't be. Just that we had no evidence that it was right now.

Thanks detective.



Vassenor Holmes. ;)

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Postby Alvecia » Tue Apr 04, 2017 3:03 am

Vassenor wrote:
Alvecia wrote:Come on Vas, you're really stretching for that one.


Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Are you really that desperate to defend Islam?


Three basic rules of investigation.

Assume Nothing
Believe Nothing
Challenge Everything.

At no point did I say it couldn't be. Just that we had no evidence that it was right now.

Actually, fuck those rules. They completely ignore any knowledge gained previously.
I don't throw out the entire body of scientific knowledge every time I start a new study.
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Postby Marado » Tue Apr 04, 2017 3:04 am

Alvecia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:


Three basic rules of investigation.

Assume Nothing
Believe Nothing
Challenge Everything.

At no point did I say it couldn't be. Just that we had no evidence that it was right now.

Actually, fuck those rules. They completely ignore any knowledge gained previously.
I don't throw out the entire body of scientific knowledge every time I start a new study.


Generally speaking, that's skepticism.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Apr 04, 2017 3:05 am

Vassenor wrote:
Alvecia wrote:Come on Vas, you're really stretching for that one.


Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Are you really that desperate to defend Islam?


Three basic rules of investigation.

Assume Nothing
Believe Nothing
Challenge Everything.

At no point did I say it couldn't be. Just that we had no evidence that it was right now.


That might work if it wasn't already stated he had links to radical Islam.

We already tried to do this whole "well he had links to radical Islam but it must be something else" thing with the Orlando piece of shit and that turned out to be solely because of his extreme interpretation of his religion, not any of the nonsense people tried to peddle. I get you always try to jump to Islams defense, it's something you and Gauth both do on a regular basis but when a Muslim with known links to radical Islam out a bombing it's pretty safe to assume what his reasoning was.
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Postby Alvecia » Tue Apr 04, 2017 3:06 am

Marado wrote:
Alvecia wrote:Actually, fuck those rules. They completely ignore any knowledge gained previously.
I don't throw out the entire body of scientific knowledge every time I start a new study.


Generally speaking, that's skepticism.

No it isn't. Skepticism follows the evidence.
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Postby Marado » Tue Apr 04, 2017 3:07 am

Alvecia wrote:
Marado wrote:
Generally speaking, that's skepticism.

No it isn't. Skepticism follows the evidence.


Or hypothesis or claims? :?

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Postby Vassenor » Tue Apr 04, 2017 3:08 am

Alvecia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:


Three basic rules of investigation.

Assume Nothing
Believe Nothing
Challenge Everything.

At no point did I say it couldn't be. Just that we had no evidence that it was right now.

Actually, fuck those rules. They completely ignore any knowledge gained previously.
I don't throw out the entire body of scientific knowledge every time I start a new study.


...What does that have to do with what I said?
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Postby Alvecia » Tue Apr 04, 2017 3:09 am

Marado wrote:
Alvecia wrote:No it isn't. Skepticism follows the evidence.


Or hypothesis or claims? :?

Clarify. Perhaps elsewhere though, this is enough of a thread jack as it is.
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Postby Marado » Tue Apr 04, 2017 3:09 am

Vassenor wrote:
Alvecia wrote:Actually, fuck those rules. They completely ignore any knowledge gained previously.
I don't throw out the entire body of scientific knowledge every time I start a new study.


...What does that have to do with what I said?


Beats me. There was nothing of knowledge about science there.

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