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Postby Empire of Cats » Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:23 pm

Well, crap. God keep those poor souls and my thoughts and sympathies to the Russians. It's times like this that make me remember that the world we live in can be quite dangerous due to our own fellow inhabitants. Sad that anybody would want to do this.

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Postby Anollasia » Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:26 pm

My condolences to the victims' loved ones, speedy recovery to those injured and RIP to those who died.

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Postby Shofercia » Mon Apr 03, 2017 9:20 pm

Risottia wrote:http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39481770

Two bombs killed ten and injured many today in the St.Petersburg Metro. No claims about responsibility so far, but there have been similar attacks in Russia in the recent past, usually perpetrated by Islamic extremists from Chechnya, so that's where the blame is going to fall at least until further information.

Some sites report public rejoicing by the so-called "Syrian opposition", too. (as reported by Italian RaiNews24 channel)

Edit: If you're in St.Petersburg: Metro is being evacuated and shut down on all lines. Don't rush around, follow the orders of the police and of the emergency services. If you're not Russian, get in contact with your local consulate for suggestions and to confirm that you're fine.

Edit2: Security measures are being hardened throughout Russia, including the Moscow Metro and airports nationwide.


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Postby Shofercia » Mon Apr 03, 2017 9:21 pm

Risottia wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Of course. Which group claimed responsibility?

None yet. But sure the Chechen extremists will be the prime suspects.


My guess is that it was the "Syrian Opposition" - they lost the most due to Russia's Intervention.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Apr 03, 2017 9:22 pm

I hope Russia tracks down the terrorists and brings them to justice. For Putin, for Moscow, for Mother Russia.

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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Mon Apr 03, 2017 9:24 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Risottia wrote:None yet. But sure the Chechen extremists will be the prime suspects.


My guess is that it was the "Syrian Opposition" - they lost the most due to Russia's Intervention.


Eh, but they also have the most to lose from sacrificing their relative moral high ground in Syria. My money is on Chechens, with IS claiming the attack regardless of whether they were actually involved or not.
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Postby Shofercia » Mon Apr 03, 2017 9:28 pm

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
My guess is that it was the "Syrian Opposition" - they lost the most due to Russia's Intervention.


Eh, but they also have the most to lose from sacrificing their relative moral high ground in Syria. My money is on Chechens, with IS claiming the attack regardless of whether they were actually involved or not.


The Chechens have had enough of war and terror, and relative moral high ground doesn't mean much in the Middle East. Yemen's got the relative moral high ground, so what?

It's more important that the SpetzNaz wipes out the organizers. There's no way this was a one man show. Someone ordered it, someone organized it, someone funded it. They all deserve a trip to the darkest room of Lefortovo.
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Postby Maichuko » Mon Apr 03, 2017 9:34 pm

According to news articles I've read it might be Chechen separatists. Or some other Central Asian group.
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Postby AiliailiA » Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:19 am

Shofercia wrote:
G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Eh, but they also have the most to lose from sacrificing their relative moral high ground in Syria. My money is on Chechens, with IS claiming the attack regardless of whether they were actually involved or not.


The Chechens have had enough of war and terror, and relative moral high ground doesn't mean much in the Middle East. Yemen's got the relative moral high ground, so what?

It's more important that the SpetzNaz wipes out the organizers. There's no way this was a one man show. Someone ordered it, someone organized it, someone funded it. They all deserve a trip to the darkest room of Lefortovo.


Is that legal? No due process in Russia?
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Postby The Knockout Gun Gals » Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:31 am

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/eu ... story.html

Some of Putin’s opponents expressed concern that the Kremlin might use the attack as an excuse to curtail a nascent movement that brought tens of thousands of people into the streets eight days earlier to protest official corruption.


“The actions of the authorities as far as any mass protests are predetermined,” tweeted opposition activist and former legislator Dmitry Gudkov, earning a rebuke from Russian state television, which called his remark a calculated and cynical ploy.


There are concerns that Kremlin might use this attack as a catalyst to curtail the movement of protesting official corruption, though.
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Postby Bakery Hill » Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:50 am

Ailiailia wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
The Chechens have had enough of war and terror, and relative moral high ground doesn't mean much in the Middle East. Yemen's got the relative moral high ground, so what?

It's more important that the SpetzNaz wipes out the organizers. There's no way this was a one man show. Someone ordered it, someone organized it, someone funded it. They all deserve a trip to the darkest room of Lefortovo.


Is that legal? No due process in Russia?

Who cares, realistically?
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Postby Aromanticism » Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:54 am

It's a truly unfortunate consequence of a percentage of the human race being psychopaths.

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Postby The Knockout Gun Gals » Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:59 am

Ailiailia wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
The Chechens have had enough of war and terror, and relative moral high ground doesn't mean much in the Middle East. Yemen's got the relative moral high ground, so what?

It's more important that the SpetzNaz wipes out the organizers. There's no way this was a one man show. Someone ordered it, someone organized it, someone funded it. They all deserve a trip to the darkest room of Lefortovo.


Is that legal? No due process in Russia?


We don't deal with legality on things like terrorism.
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TriStates wrote:Covenant declare a crusade, and wage jihad against the UNSC and Insurrectionists for 30 years.

So Covenant declare a crusade and then wage jihad? :p

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Postby Pope Joan » Tue Apr 04, 2017 1:08 am

Another reason why we should support Assad.

Because he is against these bastards.

Yet we somehow seem to keep lending encouragement to some of them.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Apr 04, 2017 1:12 am

Pope Joan wrote:Another reason why we should support Assad.

Because he is against these bastards.

Yet we somehow seem to keep lending encouragement to some of them.


What does Assad have to do with Kyrgyzstan?

St Petersburg metro bombing suspect 'from Kyrgyzstan'

The man suspected of killing 11 people by bombing a St Petersburg train is a native of Kyrgyzstan who obtained Russian citizenship, the Central Asian country's security service says.

Forty-nine people were injured in the explosion between two underground stations on Monday afternoon.

The Kyrgyz security service named the bomber as Akbarzhon Jalilov, who it said was born in Osh in 1995.

There are conflicting reports as to whether he was a suicide bomber.

Kyrgyz state media said the country's security service was "maintaining contact with the Russian secret service for further investigation".

Authorities in St Petersburg have declared three days of mourning.

Russian President Vladimir Putin, who was in St Petersburg - his home city - when the blast occurred, visited the scene on Monday evening and laid flowers at a makeshift shrine.

Russian investigators have given few details. No group has said it was responsible.

World leaders rallied behind Russia in condemning the blast.

The White House said President Donald Trump had spoken to Mr Putin by phone and offered "full support" in bringing those responsible to justice.

"Both President Trump and President Putin agreed that terrorism must be decisively and quickly defeated," a statement said.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel described the blast as a "barbaric act" and EU foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini said Europe's thoughts were with the Russian people.
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Postby Bakery Hill » Tue Apr 04, 2017 1:17 am

What has the attack itself to do with Kyrgyzstan? The attacker was a citizen of that country, of course, but it seems like his motivations aren't connected to his nationality. Nationalism is dying in the Islamic world. From Kashmir to Pattani to Mindanao. Pan-Islamist ideas are fast replacing them.
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Postby Pope Joan » Tue Apr 04, 2017 1:20 am

Vassenor wrote:
Pope Joan wrote:Another reason why we should support Assad.

Because he is against these bastards.

Yet we somehow seem to keep lending encouragement to some of them.


What does Assad have to do with Kyrgyzstan?

St Petersburg metro bombing suspect 'from Kyrgyzstan'

The man suspected of killing 11 people by bombing a St Petersburg train is a native of Kyrgyzstan who obtained Russian citizenship, the Central Asian country's security service says.


I was responding to a post which suggested that the "Syrian opposition" were in some way implicated.
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Postby The Knockout Gun Gals » Tue Apr 04, 2017 1:23 am

Pope Joan wrote:Another reason why we should support Assad.

Because he is against these bastards.

Yet we somehow seem to keep lending encouragement to some of them.


Da.

Except American citizens. They keep telling themselves "FSA is better than Assad!"

Not knowing that FSA on the leadership of Syria = another terrorist state.
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Postby Lautrec- » Tue Apr 04, 2017 1:25 am

Pope Joan wrote:Another reason why we should support Assad.

Because he is against these bastards.

Yet we somehow seem to keep lending encouragement to some of them.


Assad is a ruthless dictator who is killing his own citizens. ISIS may be a blight on middle east but this doesn't suddenly make him a hero.

If Syria is to ever stabilize and become a proper Democratic country, both ISIS and Assad's regime should be removed.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Apr 04, 2017 1:26 am

Bakery Hill wrote:What has the attack itself to do with Kyrgyzstan? The attacker was a citizen of that country, of course, but it seems like his motivations aren't connected to his nationality. Nationalism is dying in the Islamic world. From Kashmir to Pattani to Mindanao. Pan-Islamist ideas are fast replacing them.


So how do we know this was an Islamist attack?
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Vassenor wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:What has the attack itself to do with Kyrgyzstan? The attacker was a citizen of that country, of course, but it seems like his motivations aren't connected to his nationality. Nationalism is dying in the Islamic world. From Kashmir to Pattani to Mindanao. Pan-Islamist ideas are fast replacing them.


So how do we know this was an Islamist attack?

The article you cited?

"Interfax said the bomber was known to have links to radical Islam."
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Vassenor wrote:
So how do we know this was an Islamist attack?

The article you cited?

"Interfax said the bomber was known to have links to radical Islam."


So where does it say that was his motivation, rather than just an incidental fact that everyone is seizing on because it fits their narrative?
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Postby Alvecia » Tue Apr 04, 2017 2:17 am

Vassenor wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:The article you cited?

"Interfax said the bomber was known to have links to radical Islam."


So where does it say that was his motivation, rather than just an incidental fact that everyone is seizing on because it fits their narrative?

Come on Vas, you're really stretching for that one.
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