Terror attack in St.Petersburg Metro, 14 dead

[Novus America]

not all Muslims are violent

I was strawmanned while talking about Islam, imagine my surprise.

I never said you said all Muslims are violent. Just emphasizing that eliminating Islam is not required to reduce Islamist violence.

[Shofercia]

According to news articles I've read it might be Chechen separatists. Or some other Central Asian group.

It wasn't the Chechens.

There will not be any russian flag projecting on the Brandenburger Gates or Eiffel tower, like it use to any country affected by muslim terrorism. really makes you think how hypocrite is the eu and its western member states.

At least they're not pulling a Charlie Hebdo.

The Chechens have had enough of war and terror, and relative moral high ground doesn't mean much in the Middle East. Yemen's got the relative moral high ground, so what?

It's more important that the SpetzNaz wipes out the organizers. There's no way this was a one man show. Someone ordered it, someone organized it, someone funded it. They all deserve a trip to the darkest room of Lefortovo.

Is that legal? No due process in Russia?

No, but who's going to convict them over slaughtering a few terrorists like pigs? The first step is to make sure that they did it. The second step...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/major-blast-rocks-metro-station-in-st-petersburg/2017/04/03/7ff73ef2-1865-11e7-8003-f55b4c1cfae2_story.html

Some of Putin’s opponents expressed concern that the Kremlin might use the attack as an excuse to curtail a nascent movement that brought tens of thousands of people into the streets eight days earlier to protest official corruption.


“The actions of the authorities as far as any mass protests are predetermined,” tweeted opposition activist and former legislator Dmitry Gudkov, earning a rebuke from Russian state television, which called his remark a calculated and cynical ploy.

There are concerns that Kremlin might use this attack as a catalyst to curtail the movement of protesting official corruption, though.

According to Gudkov, who polls at all of 2%. The whole self-dubbed "true opposition" is one giant joke. As for the protests, when it got serious in 2007, Putin's Party simply held counter protests. And that was it.

Another reason why we should support Assad.

Because he is against these bastards.

Yet we somehow seem to keep lending encouragement to some of them.

What does Assad have to do with Kyrgyzstan?

Nothing, but just because one of them happened to be from Kyrgyzstan, doesn't mean that said act was ordered in Kyrgyzstan.

[PaNTuXIa]

Hopefully Putin won't take this lightly, like some otherpoliticians that I could mention.

Putin seems to be one of the last defenders of Western civilization, lets hope that continues.

[Shofercia]

Another reason why we should support Assad.

Because he is against these bastards.

Yet we somehow seem to keep lending encouragement to some of them.

Assad is a ruthless dictator who is killing his own citizens. ISIS may be a blight on middle east but this doesn't suddenly make him a hero.

If Syria is to ever stabilize and become a proper Democratic country, both ISIS and Assad's regime should be removed.

Obviously. But ISIS should be removed first, since Assad has shown a willingness to compromise, and ISIS has shown a willingness to rape.

So how do we know this was an Islamist attack?

The article you cited?

"Interfax said the bomber was known to have links to radical Islam."

Vas - you gotta read your own articles.

Why is Russia suffering from ISIS? I hope this doesn't reach the U.S. or China.

It already has reached the US, Orlando happened.

Radical Islam doesn't discriminate, they'll kill just about everyone they can.

Sometimes after raping them.

We don't deal with legality on things like terrorism.

Who's "we"? Are you Russian?

I am. We don't deal with legality on things like terrorism. You get due process if you rob a bank. You get due process if you avoid taxes. You get due process if you're driving drunk, but don't hurt anyone. You don't get due process if you're a terrorist. When we knew that a black widow was a suicide bomber, and that a text was going to set off the bomb, we sent the text disguised a spam. How's that for due process?

[Shofercia]

If the bomber had accomplices who are (a) Russian but living abroad, (b) non-citizens living in Russia, or (c) non-citizens living abroad, it might well be legal for the Speznatz to simply kill them. Without any attempt to arrest them or put them on trial.

Here's the thing though, what if others are suspected of being accomplices, but they are (d), Russian citizens living in Russia?

Executing citizens without trial isn't something the US, the UK, any European nation, or any Commonwealth nation does. Hence I'm wondering who this "we" is, that TKGG is speaking for ...

And I still suspect that (d) would be illegal in Russia.

It'd be illegal. Now find me a Russian Jury or Judge that would convict someone for killing a terrorist?

That's why you have a trial, not an extrajudicial killing. To ensure you aren't doing evil yourself and killing innocents.

Obviously you don't want to kill innocent people, or kill someone based on their height. That's why I said, first find out who did it, or played a role in it. Second...

Lol @ alleged "moderate" opposition

How about their friends stop joining up with terrorist groups, that would stop the airstrikes really quick.

Or if Russia stopped bombing hospitals and supporting a brutal kleptocrat people might be less radicalized? There are no good guys here. This is is not black v white. More like hundreds of very dark shades of grey against each other.

Pretty sure that the people who were just trying to live their lives to the fullest in St. Petersburg were the good guys. You have to be 100% proverbially blind to fail to see that.

Well, glad we cleared that up! And indeed, Wahhabism is the issue at hand in the Muslim world. The bastards need to be halted, and their ideology reduced to the same status enjoyed by the Nazis in most of the world, as a bogeyman on the outermost fringes of society, in all nations where it is currently or could be present.

No problem. Indeed we need to treat Wahhabism like we did Nazism in the 40s of Communism in the 50s. We need to acknowledge it is a hostile ideology and do our best to reduce its influence.

Damn, I thought that at least this thread would be rid of Cold War nonsense.

If it takes so very little to make them radical, why trust muslims at all? You sneeze and it vaguely looks like muhammad, you get a charlie hebdo massacre.

It doesn't. The Muslims in Kazan provide inter-religious education forms. The Muslims in the Caucasus defend Christians from radical fools. The Muslims in Kazakhstan are fighting terrorists like the moron who did this bombing. Most Muslims aren't terrorists, and most of them despise terrorists.

Four more since I last looked. Damn shame. Any updates on the investigation?

Well...

Did we already learn it was a Kyrgyz guy with a Russian passport named Akbarzhon Dzhalilov, age 22? Came to Russia a few years ago, is a dual citizen due to his dad being a Russian citizen as well.

Thanks for the update.

[Shofercia]

Sounds about right.

This is why Russia should stop bombing the Kurds, and let them sort out the country at the barrel of a secular AK.

Russia's bombing Kurds? Dude, the Russians and Kurds are allies in all but name.

Hopefully Putin won't take this lightly, like some otherpoliticians that I could mention.

Putin seems to be one of the last defenders of Western civilization, lets hope that continues.

He won't. He'll probably just hand it off to the Special Forces, and they know how to take care of business.

I also just realized that there are 4 female wounded not yet identified. If you are in the St Petersburg area, and have female friends or relatives missing, please get in contact with the St Petersburg authorities.

List of wounded and hospitalized: http://78.mchs.gov.ru/pressroom/news/item/5068435/

The Russian Emergency Situations Ministry continues to work phone "hotline" by which you can get information and psychological support for the "emergency situation" in the St. Petersburg metro. They are open at the Center of Emergency Psychological Aid EMERCOM of Russia and the Main Directorate of Ministry of Emergency Situations of Russia in St. Petersburg. Their numbers: 8-800-775-17-17, 8-800-100-20-01 and 8 (812) 718-25-16.

Thank you for the updates

[Neo Balka]

Well thats one way to anger the russians.

[La Cosa Fedora]

Lol @ alleged "moderate" opposition

How about their friends stop joining up with terrorist groups, that would stop the airstrikes really quick.

Or if Russia stopped bombing hospitals and supporting a brutal kleptocrat people might be less radicalized? There are no good guys here. This is is not black v white. More like hundreds of very dark shades of grey against each other.

Isn't it awful hypocritical of those "freedom fighters" to oppose a brutal kleptocracy by supporting something even more brutal and kleptocratic? Almost like they don't really have anything against brutality or kleptocracy, just using it as a propaganda line to justify what they really care about, which is fighting against a government that they view as insufficiently islamist.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

Heard about this on the radio this morning, taking son to school. Dammitall, don't care who it happens to or who's behind it, this shit has got to stop. Hope no one from our own community here at least was affected directly, feel badly for the people who have been.

I have friends in St Petersburg, can't contact them.

Haven't seen the update in here on this, if there's been one. Been quietly reading through, noting the updates and waiting for more info on the situation overall. Hope you've since been able to get in touch with your friends, and that all's well as can be with them.

[The Knockout Gun Gals]

Hopefully Putin won't take this lightly, like some otherpoliticians that I could mention.

Putin seems to be one of the last defenders of Western civilization, lets hope that continues.

Last defender? What about United Kingdom, France, Germany?

And Italy, Spain?

Are they not existent?

[UCE Watchdog of the Puppets]

Hopefully Putin won't take this lightly, like some otherpoliticians that I could mention.

Putin seems to be one of the last defenders of Western civilization, lets hope that continues.

Last defender? What about United Kingdom, France, Germany?

And Italy, Spain?

Are they not existent?

You see, they don't use "islam" when describing threats to western civilization and are therefore not defenders of the West.

[The Knockout Gun Gals]

Last defender? What about United Kingdom, France, Germany?

And Italy, Spain?

Are they not existent?

You see, they don't use "islam" when describing threats to western civilization and are therefore not defenders of the West.

I don't understand. What are you trying to say?

[Marado]

You see, they don't use "islam" when describing threats to western civilization and are therefore not defenders of the West.

I don't understand. What are you trying to say?

*shrugs*

[Vassenor]

You see, they don't use "islam" when describing threats to western civilization and are therefore not defenders of the West.

I don't understand. What are you trying to say?

Supposedly not treating the entire religion of Islam as the enemy means you aren't defending Western Civilisation.

No I don't get it either.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I don't understand. What are you trying to say?

Supposedly not treating the entire religion of Islam as the enemy means you aren't defending Western Civilisation.

No I don't get it either.

The entire religion isn't our enemy, but some of the most rapidly growing denominations are.

[AiliailiA]

You see, they don't use "islam" when describing threats to western civilization and are therefore not defenders of the West.

I don't understand. What are you trying to say?

Trying to take your side, by strawmanning Pantuxia.

I don't know exactly what Pantuxia meant, btw. Their opinion was put very provocatively; too much so to make sense in so few words.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Supposedly not treating the entire religion of Islam as the enemy means you aren't defending Western Civilisation.

No I don't get it either.

The entire religion isn't our enemy, but some of the most rapidly growing denominations are.

To be fair, even some more mainstream tenets of Islam really aren't compatible with fundamental tenets of Western culture. Look at Malaysia's PM, and his refusal to ban child marriage because it has Islamic heritage.

[UCE Watchdog of the Puppets]

The entire religion isn't our enemy, but some of the most rapidly growing denominations are.

To be fair, even some more mainstream tenets of Islam really aren't compatible with fundamental tenets of Western culture. Look at Malaysia's PM, and his refusal to ban child marriage because it has Islamic heritage.

Fuck him.

[The Sauganash Union]

The entire religion isn't our enemy, but some of the most rapidly growing denominations are.

To be fair, even some more mainstream tenets of Islam really aren't compatible with fundamental tenets of Western culture. Look at Malaysia's PM, and his refusal to ban child marriage because it has Islamic heritage.

And Malaysia passes for liberal in Islam.

[Geilinor]

To be fair, even some more mainstream tenets of Islam really aren't compatible with fundamental tenets of Western culture. Look at Malaysia's PM, and his refusal to ban child marriage because it has Islamic heritage.

And Malaysia passes for liberal in Islam.

Many Malaysians lost confidence in their PM long ago. Najib Razak is no popular man.

[Vassenor]

And Malaysia passes for liberal in Islam.

Many Malaysians lost confidence in their PM long ago. Najib Razak is no popular man.

But it can't possibly be a problem with one individual. It has to be a problem with the entire religion.

[Luminesa]

Hopefully Putin won't take this lightly, like some otherpoliticians that I could mention.

Putin seems to be one of the last defenders of Western civilization, lets hope that continues.

Last defender? What about United Kingdom, France, Germany?

And Italy, Spain?

Are they not existent?

He mentioned Germany specifically, when he mentioned Angela Merkel.

[Luminesa]

Supposedly not treating the entire religion of Islam as the enemy means you aren't defending Western Civilisation.

No I don't get it either.

The entire religion isn't our enemy, but some of the most rapidly growing denominations are.

If we want to fight Islamic terrorism, we have to acknowledge it. If world leaders refuse to acknowledge it, it will simply grow, and these attacks will continue. The dancing around the issue needs to stop. Wahhabism is Satanism, and it needs to be destroyed. No ifs, ands, or butts.

[Bakery Hill]

The entire religion isn't our enemy, but some of the most rapidly growing denominations are.

If we want to fight Islamic terrorism, we have to acknowledge it. If world leaders refuse to acknowledge it, it will simply grow, and these attacks will continue. The dancing around the issue needs to stop. Wahhabism is Satanism, and it needs to be destroyed. No ifs, ands, or butts.

Satanism is far better to be fair.

[Luminesa]

If we want to fight Islamic terrorism, we have to acknowledge it. If world leaders refuse to acknowledge it, it will simply grow, and these attacks will continue. The dancing around the issue needs to stop. Wahhabism is Satanism, and it needs to be destroyed. No ifs, ands, or butts.

Satanism is far better to be fair.

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