Terror attack in St.Petersburg Metro, 14 dead

[Eisarn-Ara]

Disproportionate and counterproductive. One-seventh of the global population is of equal proportion to the number of people the Nazis killed in the Soviet Union. And this planet would come out of the conflict in a very similar state.

We do not have to, nor should we try to eradicate Islam. Rather we need to de-Wahhabize it.
Before the Wahhabi cancer spreads so much it destroys Islam.

The objective is not to destroy Islam. But to save it from the cancer of Wahhabism.

We need to give the patient surgery and chemo, not simply kill the patient.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, good fucking luck. How do you combat that much inbreeding in one place? How do you combat the combined cultural attitudes that have kept a chunk of the world in what is effectively medieval conditions? You don't, you either take the leap and cut it out or you get consumed by it merely for the sake of sacrificing your civilization upon the altar of "Tolerance" & "Diversity".

[The United Colonies of Earth]

I know, I know.
I apologize if my post makes me look like I'm arguing for that. I was arguing against it.

I know, I was agreeing with you. Sorry if it seemed like I was attacking you.

Well, glad we cleared that up! And indeed, Wahhabism is the issue at hand in the Muslim world. The bastards need to be halted, and their ideology reduced to the same status enjoyed by the Nazis in most of the world, as a bogeyman on the outermost fringes of society, in all nations where it is currently or could be present.

[Mestovakia]

We do not have to, nor should we try to eradicate Islam. Rather we need to de-Wahhabize it.
Before the Wahhabi cancer spreads so much it destroys Islam.

The objective is not to destroy Islam. But to save it from the cancer of Wahhabism.

We need to give the patient surgery and chemo, not simply kill the patient.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, good fucking luck. How do you combat that much inbreeding in one place? How do you combat the combined cultural attitudes that have kept a chunk of the world in what is effectively medieval conditions? You don't, you either take the leap and cut it out or you get consumed by it merely for the sake of sacrificing your civilization upon the altar of "Tolerance" & "Diversity".

Uhm...It's just a suggestion, but you might want to tone it down with the baiting. People are going to get annoyed.

[Vassenor]

Disproportionate and counterproductive. One-seventh of the global population is of equal proportion to the number of people the Nazis killed in the Soviet Union. And this planet would come out of the conflict in a very similar state.

We do not have to, nor should we try to eradicate Islam. Rather we need to de-Wahhabize it.
Before the Wahhabi cancer spreads so much it destroys Islam.

The objective is not to destroy Islam. But to save it from the cancer of Wahhabism.

We need to give the patient surgery and chemo, not simply kill the patient.

I feel like we're a long way from people realising that demonstrating all the stuff about how The West wants to destroy Islam to be true is a bad thing.

[Eisarn-Ara]

Uhm...It's just a suggestion, but you might want to tone it down with the baiting. People are going to get annoyed.

annoyed at the truth? Annoyed at the fact that globalism is a cancer eating at the heart of western civilization?

[Mestovakia]

Well...you're going to get in trouble. I don't want to see people get in trouble for things like this, so...maybe...count to 10, exhale, count to ten, inhale? Calm down, and be rational?

[The United Colonies of Earth]

We do not have to, nor should we try to eradicate Islam. Rather we need to de-Wahhabize it.
Before the Wahhabi cancer spreads so much it destroys Islam.

The objective is not to destroy Islam. But to save it from the cancer of Wahhabism.

We need to give the patient surgery and chemo, not simply kill the patient.

I feel like we're a long way from people realising that demonstrating all the stuff about how The West wants to destroy Islam to be true is a bad thing.

Hypothetically, if one's personal aspiration is to actually destroy Islam, then getting the rest of the West to go along with one's plans or projecting an appearance of such would be a good idea. And alas, with more wahhabist attacks in the name of Islam, I feel we may be drifting further toward the apex of such individuals' numbers.

[Eisarn-Ara]

Well...you're going to get in trouble. I don't want to see people get in trouble for things like this, so...maybe...count to 10, exhale, count to ten, inhale? Calm down, and be rational.

Piss off you dirty red.

[Mestovakia]

Well...you're going to get in trouble. I don't want to see people get in trouble for things like this, so...maybe...count to 10, exhale, count to ten, inhale? Calm down, and be rational.

Piss off you dirty red.

I'm a democrat, but that's neither here nor there.

[Novus America]

I know, I was agreeing with you. Sorry if it seemed like I was attacking you.

Well, glad we cleared that up! And indeed, Wahhabism is the issue at hand in the Muslim world. The bastards need to be halted, and their ideology reduced to the same status enjoyed by the Nazis in most of the world, as a bogeyman on the outermost fringes of society, in all nations where it is currently or could be present.

No problem. Indeed we need to treat Wahhabism like we did Nazism in the 40s of Communism in the 50s. We need to acknowledge it is a hostile ideology and do our best to reduce its influence.

[Eisarn-Ara]

Piss off you dirty red.

I'm a democrat, but that's neither here nor there.

Sounds like commie traitor to me.

[Mestovakia]

I'm a democrat, but that's neither here nor there.

Sounds like commie traitor to me.

I'd make a statement regarding the irony of that, but I won't. You've had a long history onsite. I don't want you to get in trouble just because you did a Shots Fired on Vassenor.

[Novus America]

Well...you're going to get in trouble. I don't want to see people get in trouble for things like this, so...maybe...count to 10, exhale, count to ten, inhale? Calm down, and be rational.

[redacted]

You might get banned if you continue like this. Not a mod, but just saying there are rules.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

Well, glad we cleared that up! And indeed, Wahhabism is the issue at hand in the Muslim world. The bastards need to be halted, and their ideology reduced to the same status enjoyed by the Nazis in most of the world, as a bogeyman on the outermost fringes of society, in all nations where it is currently or could be present.

No problem. Indeed we need to treat Wahhabism like we did Nazism in the 40s of Communism in the 50s. We need to acknowledge it is a hostile ideology and do our best to reduce its influence.

Hopefully someone will lead the effort to do that. Unless Saudi Arabia catches on and lobbies any such effort to death.

[Eisarn-Ara]

Sounds like commie traitor to me.

I'd make a statement regarding the irony of that, but I won't. You've had a long history onsite. I don't want you to get in trouble just because you did a Shots Fired on Vassenor.

Shots fired? I haven't even loaded my rifle yet.

You might get banned if you continue like this. Not a mod, but just saying there are rules.

Quiet pinko.

[Novus America]

I feel like we're a long way from people realising that demonstrating all the stuff about how The West wants to destroy Islam to be true is a bad thing.

Hypothetically, if one's personal aspiration is to actually destroy Islam, then getting the rest of the West to go along with one's plans or projecting an appearance of such would be a good idea. And alas, with more wahhabist attacks in the name of Islam, I feel we may be drifting further toward the apex of such individuals' numbers.

That is my worry too. If the cancer of Wahhabism spreads to far the patient might be beyond saving. And then many more will be advocating forced euthanasia.

We have to stop the cancer it before it is too late.

[Luminesa]

The article you cited?

"Interfax said the bomber was known to have links to radical Islam."

So where does it say that was his motivation, rather than just an incidental fact that everyone is seizing on because it fits their narrative?

Because most people who are radical Muslims take "jihad" quite seriously? In the same way that most Westboro Baptists take picketing funerals REALLY seriously?

[The United Colonies of Earth]

Hypothetically, if one's personal aspiration is to actually destroy Islam, then getting the rest of the West to go along with one's plans or projecting an appearance of such would be a good idea. And alas, with more wahhabist attacks in the name of Islam, I feel we may be drifting further toward the apex of such individuals' numbers.

That is my worry too. If the cancer of Wahhabism spreads to far the patient might be beyond saving. And then many more will be advocating forced euthanasia.

We have to stop the cancer it before it is too late.

That we do.
I've heard targeting Saudi Arabia as a vector and source of Wahhabism is a good long-term plan, but how will we get people to recognize the maleffects of its' corrupt government and clerics and not just shrug it off for some reason that justifies abandoning agency?

[Novus America]

No problem. Indeed we need to treat Wahhabism like we did Nazism in the 40s of Communism in the 50s. We need to acknowledge it is a hostile ideology and do our best to reduce its influence.

Hopefully someone will lead the effort to do that. Unless Saudi Arabia catches on and lobbies any such effort to death.

Saudi Arabia is big problem. On the bright side their leaders to not believe in this shit, considering their wild Vegas parties and love of hookers and blow. We need to give them a firm ultimatum, that they begin to drop Wahhabism and stop spreading it or else we will have to resort to things they might not like. Up to a Hashemite restoration by force if needed as a last resort.

They only support it as a tool to stay in power. We must make it clear that if they do continue to support it they will NOT stay in power.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

Hopefully someone will lead the effort to do that. Unless Saudi Arabia catches on and lobbies any such effort to death.

Saudi Arabia is big problem. On the bright side their leaders to not believe in this shit, considering their wild Vegas parties and love of hookers and blow. We need to give them a firm ultimatum, that they begin to drop Wahhabism and stop spreading it or else we will have to resort to things they might not like. Up to a Hashemite restoration by force if needed as a last resort.

They only support it as a tool to stay in power. We must make it clear that if they do continue to support it they will NOT stay in power.

Indeed we must. Trump almost seemed like he might go in hard on them during the campaign, but at this rate if he followed through he might as well cause us more problems than Obama could if he had the entire lifetime of the Roman Empire to do it. I hope someone powerful in the US is aware of the dangerousness of the Wahhabists in Saudi Arabia...but if not, well, I'll endorse anyone who is aware and campaigning for that power.

[Eisarn-Ara]

If it takes so very little to make them radical, why trust muslims at all? You sneeze and it vaguely looks like muhammad, you get a charlie hebdo massacre.

[Novus America]

That is my worry too. If the cancer of Wahhabism spreads to far the patient might be beyond saving. And then many more will be advocating forced euthanasia.

We have to stop the cancer it before it is too late.

That we do.
I've heard targeting Saudi Arabia as a vector and source of Wahhabism is a good long-term plan, but how will we get people to recognize the maleffects of its' corrupt government and clerics and not just shrug it off for some reason that justifies abandoning agency?

Well I do think we need to go straight to the source. Give the house of Saud a firm ultimatum. Drop it or be replaced. We have to realize though they cannot drop it overnight, it will have to be phased out. But we must force them to phase it out.

There are several tactics we can use. First is simply banning Saudi Arabia and Qatar from funding schools or mosques overseas. Ban Wahhabis from traveling to our countries.

Infiltrate their groups to to discredit them and make them unable to trust their own people.
Make heavy use of education. Some might call it propaganda or brainwashing but it is really removing the existing propaganda and brainwashing.

It will not be a easy quick thing. It will be long, arduous and quite possibly bloody as some will unfortunately fight to the death.

But we need to first state Wahhabism is the enemy, tell the Saudi lobby to fuck off if they object, and then begin the process.

Like you said I will support anyone who will go for it. The Saudis failure to stop the 9-11 lawsuits thing, their mounting economic problems and growing criciticism of them is a good sign the tide made be changing.

[Torsiedelle]

If it takes so very little to make them radical, why trust muslims at all? You sneeze and it vaguely looks like muhammad, you get a charlie hebdo massacre.

Becoming violent at such small provocation definitely points to some more serious issues with the people themselves. Not very healthy.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

We do not have to, nor should we try to eradicate Islam. Rather we need to de-Wahhabize it.
Before the Wahhabi cancer spreads so much it destroys Islam.

The objective is not to destroy Islam. But to save it from the cancer of Wahhabism.

We need to give the patient surgery and chemo, not simply kill the patient.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, good fucking luck. How do you combat that much inbreeding in one place? .

Forced intercourse with Brazilian models.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

That we do.
I've heard targeting Saudi Arabia as a vector and source of Wahhabism is a good long-term plan, but how will we get people to recognize the maleffects of its' corrupt government and clerics and not just shrug it off for some reason that justifies abandoning agency?

Well I do think we need to go straight to the source. Give the house of Sayd a firm ultimatum. Drop it or be replaced. We have to realize though the cannot drop it overnight, it will have to be phased out.

There are several tactics we can use. First is simply banning Saudi Arabia and Qatar from funding schools or mosques overseas. Ban Wahhabism from traveling to our countries.

Infiltrate their groups to to discredit them and make them unable to trust their own people.
Make heavy use of education. Some might call it propaganda or brainwashing but it is really removing the existing propaganda and brainwashing.

It will not be a easy quick thing. It will be long, arduous and quite possibly bloody as some will unfortunately fight to the death.

But we need to first state Wahhabism is the enemy, tell the Saudi lobby to fuck off of the object, and then begin the process.

I like these steps! Better to de-wahhabify than leave the ideology festering. Unfortunately I'm starting to realize the campaign could definitely outlast every war the US has been involved in and we accumulate war weariness relatively quickly these days. But once people understand that retreating from them gives an opportunity to the wahhabists to regroup, they ought to be able to support the marginalization of the lobbyists and the defeat of Wahhabism.