Right Wing Discussion Thread IX: The Right Man's Burden

[Taihei Tengoku]

I am against the Corn Laws and think the application of water-wheel power to automate weaving is a good thing.

These are truly enlightening times. :^)

My actual point is that we have already "automated" a significant amount of work and what's about to happen is that we will "automate" a lot more. The first round, net-net was the best thing that ever happened to humanity. The second round is yet to be seen.

The reason why this happened around 1800 in north-west Europe rather than 1000 in Song China or 100 in Rome was that north-west Europe had "liberal economics," or bourgeois virtues that honored exchange and betterment.

[Agritum]

TBH protectionism is dumber than just letting unproductive people be unproductive at their own danger and ill.

Protectionism has nothing to do with keeping the useless out. Entirely separate matters.

The useless sort out themselves if the state doesn't intervene to pamper them. Kinda the reverse of American steel. Pretty sure you spend more subsidizing that and farms to keep out foreign products than on welfare for Mexicans.

[The East Marches II]

Protectionism has nothing to do with keeping the useless out. Entirely separate matters.

The useless sort out themselves if the state doesn't intervene to pamper them. Kinda the reverse of American steel.

There is the rub. We have to care for the poor and give them aid. They can't just starve and solve the problem on its own anymore. Farm subsidies are far less than the gaping wound of Medicare and Medicaid.

[The Parkus Empire]

Love your neighbors as yourself is not an individualist affirmation.

That's not what the sutta I shared said.

Individualism is the ideological belief in the totalitarian autonomy of the individual.

Individualism is the moral stance, political philosophy, ideology, or social outlook that emphasizes the moral worth of the individual.[1][2] Individualists promote the exercise of one's goals and desires and so value independence and self-reliance[3] and advocate that interests of the individual should achieve precedence over the state or a social group,[3] while opposing external interference upon one's own interests by society or institutions such as the government.[3]

You've failed to demonstrate what is actually so anti-individualist about Buddhism. Since you apparently know so much about it that you can label it's adherents posers, surely your most highly knowledge self can tell me what's so anti-individualist about the Buddhist religion.

The idea that individual is autonomous, let alone that he should be given precedence over social groups, is completely alien to Eastern thought. It comes fron the Reformation.

[War Gears]

That's not what the sutta I shared said.



You've failed to demonstrate what is actually so anti-individualist about Buddhism. Since you apparently know so much about it that you can label it's adherents posers, surely your most highly knowledge self can tell me what's so anti-individualist about the Buddhist religion.

The idea that individual is autonomous, let alone that he should be given precedence over social groups, is completely alien to Eastern thought. It comes fron the Reformation.

You didn't answer my question, and referring to "Eastern thought" as though it is all uniform is laughable.

[Tekeristan]

The useless sort out themselves if the state doesn't intervene to pamper them. Kinda the reverse of American steel.

There is the rub. We have to care for the poor and give them aid. They can't just starve and solve the problem on its own anymore. Farm subsidies are far less than the gaping wound of Medicare and Medicaid.

Someone has to dig the ditches.
To bury all the invading Wisconsinites. Minnesota forever!

[The East Marches II]

There is the rub. We have to care for the poor and give them aid. They can't just starve and solve the problem on its own anymore. Farm subsidies are far less than the gaping wound of Medicare and Medicaid.

Someone has to dig the ditches.
To bury all the invading Wisconsinites. Minnesota forever!

THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE, FARM SUBSIDIES FOREVER

[The Parkus Empire]

The world isn't exactly in great shape last I checked.

liberalism is the one and only hope for mankind

Suicide per capita has gone up manifold in the last century. Not that liberals consider this, or that your system can only hold together with intense abortion and the state babysitting and doing half of the raising of the kids.

[The Parkus Empire]

The idea that individual is autonomous, let alone that he should be given precedence over social groups, is completely alien to Eastern thought. It comes fron the Reformation.

You didn't answer my question, and referring to "Eastern thought" as though it is all uniform is laughable.

It's not all uniform, but individualism is still completely alien to it because it didn't exist until the Reformation.

[Tekeristan]

Someone has to dig the ditches.
To bury all the invading Wisconsinites. Minnesota forever!

THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE, FARM SUBSIDIES FOREVER

We haven't actually had subsidies for our farm for a while now.
I'd have to ask my step father specifically, but apparently it's been a long while.

(You'd be surprised how much this stuff is abused by 'big farms', rather than 'small ones'.)
"The cap is aimed at the Ted Turners and Scottie Pippens -- millionaires who have famously invested in farmland and reaped the benefits of government programs meant for family farmers."

'Among the concerned Minnesotans is Brian Molitor, who represents the fifth generation of a Cannon Falls family farm that now stretches over more than 10,000 acres of corn and soybeans in southeastern Minnesota.

Molitor Bros. Farm, which four families operate, was one of the state's top three recipients of government subsidies in 2005, the latest year for which data is available. It pulled in nearly $1.2 million.'

"Kent Olson, a University of Minnesota applied economics professor, estimates that an income limit of $1 million would affect about 150 Minnesota farm returns, or 0.2 percent of all individual Minnesota farm returns."

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[Taihei Tengoku]

liberalism is the one and only hope for mankind

Suicide per capita has gone up manifold in the last century. Not that liberals consider this, or that your system can only hold together with intense abortion and the state babysitting and doing half of the raising of the kids.

Consistent with the growth of illiberalism within the state starting in the late 1800s.

Also consider that fertility rates fall for reasons beyond abortion

[Tekeristan]

Suicide per capita has gone up manifold in the last century. Not that liberals consider this, or that your system can only hold together with intense abortion and the state babysitting and doing half of the raising of the kids.

Consistent with the growth of illiberalism within the state starting in the late 1800s.

Also consider that fertility rates fall for reasons beyond abortion

Did.. Did they think fertility rates simply fell because of abortion?

Good golly, he needs a nice little taste of history.

People aren't fricking unprotected-like.
The average age of a New Englander in the late 1700's was 16 years old. The population doubled every 25 years. The Governer of Ma. came from a family of 26 children all from the same mother.

[Senkaku]

Also consider that fertility rates fall for reasons beyond abortion

...I would hope this would be obvious.

[Conserative Morality]

TBH protectionism is dumber than just letting unproductive people be unproductive at their own danger and ill.

Protectionism has nothing to do with keeping the useless out. Entirely separate matters. Not to mention we have to pay for them and then when they breed, deal with poverty stricken children who have citizenship rights.

>> people protectionism
>> not protectionism

It's like you don't see human capital as wealth

[Sanctissima]

Protectionism has nothing to do with keeping the useless out. Entirely separate matters. Not to mention we have to pay for them and then when they breed, deal with poverty stricken children who have citizenship rights.

>> people protectionism
>> not protectionism

It's like you don't see human capital as wealth

It really isn't when unemployment is a thing. Especially if the majority of that 'capital' is unskilled labour.

[Conserative Morality]

It really isn't when unemployment is a thing.

Unemployment has always been 'a thing', so I guess human capital has always been worthless.

Especially if the majority of that 'capital' is unskilled labour.

Raw materials aren't worthless just because they're raw.

[Sanctissima]

It really isn't when unemployment is a thing.

Unemployment has always been 'a thing', so I guess human capital has always been worthless.

Especially if the majority of that 'capital' is unskilled labour.

Raw materials aren't worthless just because they're raw.

And excess people has always been a problem. Idle hands produce no wealth, and are actually a net drain on a country's resources.

Your position is highly flawed.

[Conserative Morality]

And excess people has always been a problem. Idle hands produce no wealth, and are actually a net drain on a country's resources.

Tell me more about what an advantage a smaller population is.

[Tekeristan]

yea small populations make sures everyone has a job that's why china is a wreck with unemployment

[Sanctissima]

And excess people has always been a problem. Idle hands produce no wealth, and are actually a net drain on a country's resources.

Tell me more about what an advantage a smaller population is.

No unemployment, for starters.

And significantly less strain on the nation's social services, for that matter.

[Taihei Tengoku]

That's not how it works--there isn't a fixed number of "jobs" within an economy. Increased demand is a signal for increased supply and therefore supply factors (such as labor).

[Conserative Morality]

No unemployment, for starters.

And significantly less strain on the nation's social services, for that matter.

That's why Thailand is so unemployed and American Samoa is in such great shape, right?

[Sanctissima]

That's not how it works--there isn't a fixed number of "jobs" within an economy. Increased demand is a signal for increased supply and therefore supply factors (such as labor).

There's a fluctuating amount of jobs, yes. There's only so much people are willing to pay others to do, or otherwise fields of work wherein jobs are available. That is inherently the nature of any economy, and why unemployment is a thing.

I don't know how it could be considered anything else.

[Sanctissima]

No unemployment, for starters.

And significantly less strain on the nation's social services, for that matter.

That's why Thailand is so unemployed and American Samoa is in such great shape, right?

If you want to work for less than minimum wage or be a child prostitute, sure.

Some people have standards.

[Conserative Morality]

If you want to work for less than minimum wage or be a child prostitute, sure.

Some people have standards.

Congratulations on not even having a basic grasp of how economies work.