Right Wing Discussion Thread IX: The Right Man's Burden

[Iengal]

Wanting to kill yourself and telling someone is a sign of hesitation; a sign you aren't completely sure, even though you may want to. Sure, they are suicidal, but not actively.

As for actively suicidal people, they tell no one. They know their plan and are convicted to do it - whether it succeeds or fails is another story. Sometimes they refuse to leave a note. And then it just happens. No apparent reason; it just does.

Clearly you've never suffered with the guilt of constant suicidality staying up for two days straight bargaining with yourself not for your life but for your death because you're just so fucking tired knowing that your death will devastate the people you love most but being just aware enough to resent the numbness of that realization.

... Why are you accusing him of insensitivity? What he has said was completely reasonable and true. Seriously, what do you hope to accomplish by posting what you did?

[FelrikTheDeleted]

... Why are you accusing him of insensitivity? What he has said was completely reasonable and true. Seriously, what do you hope to accomplish by posting what you did?

Instead of outright declaring that VOID was right, as you have done. Perhaps it would have better had you demonstrated VOID's point further.

[Iengal]

... Why are you accusing him of insensitivity? What he has said was completely reasonable and true. Seriously, what do you hope to accomplish by posting what you did?

Instead of outright declaring that VOID was right, as you have done. Perhaps it would have better had you demonstrated VOID's point further.

I am concerned with understanding my opponents thought process so that I might help to convince them on certain points. It's not so much that I agree with VOID, rather that I just acknowledge that it is true. My point of concern is Conservative Morality's opposition.

[The V O I D]

Wanting to kill yourself and telling someone is a sign of hesitation; a sign you aren't completely sure, even though you may want to. Sure, they are suicidal, but not actively.

As for actively suicidal people, they tell no one. They know their plan and are convicted to do it - whether it succeeds or fails is another story. Sometimes they refuse to leave a note. And then it just happens. No apparent reason; it just does.

Clearly you've never suffered with the guilt of constant suicidality staying up for two days straight bargaining with yourself not for your life but for your death because you're just so fucking tired knowing that your death will devastate the people you love most but being just aware enough to resent the numbness of that realization.

Not to sound rude or anything, or seem aggressive. But this seems to imply I feel guilt about any of my decisions, ever. Do I realize I fuck up, sometimes? Certainly. Do I acknowledge those fuck ups? Definitely. Do I feel guilt, ever? Not a chance in any version of hell. I'll apologize and acknowledge any fuck ups I make, but won't feel guilty for making a decision.

And if I were to decide to check out in the future, that's my decision. I realize it may hurt some people. But emotional pain is temporary. People will move on without me. The earth won't stop spinning without me, even though I loathe to admit that. Such is the way of humans; the way of society; the way of this world. But, even if there is an afterlife or something that comes after, or even as I take my last breathe after deciding to check out in the future, will I feel any guilt for causing that emotional pain? No. Because I know it's temporary. Because I know that once my family moves on, and they pass on, and their children pass on, and so on... I'll just be a distant memory. A phantom of some forgotten ancestor, just as my great great great great and so on grand-ancestors are to me. My descendents will know I existed; I had to, for them to exist. But they will not know of me, nor my passing, nor will they even likely care.

Again, trying not to sound aggressive or rude or depressing, but that's the fact of life. That's the realistic endgame of everything. Whether you die of old age, of some disease, or because you checked out, a couple hundred years from now, your descendants won't care because they'll have never known of you regardless. So, no. I do not feel guilt over my decision. In fact, as you notice later on in my posts, I've already made up my mind. If I am to discover I am dying, I refuse to die a slow painful death. I will be one of those who chooses to check out. Not today, or anytime soon. But possibly, in the future.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Clearly you've never suffered with the guilt of constant suicidality staying up for two days straight bargaining with yourself not for your life but for your death because you're just so fucking tired knowing that your death will devastate the people you love most but being just aware enough to resent the numbness of that realization.

Not to sound rude or anything, or seem aggressive. But this seems to imply I feel guilt about any of my decisions, ever. Do I realize I fuck up, sometimes? Certainly. Do I acknowledge those fuck ups? Definitely. Do I feel guilt, ever? Not a chance in any version of hell. I'll apologize and acknowledge any fuck ups I make, but won't feel guilty for making a decision.

And if I were to decide to check out in the future, that's my decision. I realize it may hurt some people. But emotional pain is temporary. People will move on without me. The earth won't stop spinning without me, even though I loathe to admit that. Such is the way of humans; the way of society; the way of this world. But, even if there is an afterlife or something that comes after, or even as I take my last breathe after deciding to check out in the future, will I feel any guilt for causing that emotional pain? No. Because I know it's temporary. Because I know that once my family moves on, and they pass on, and their children pass on, and so on... I'll just be a distant memory. A phantom of some forgotten ancestor, just as my great great great great and so on grand-ancestors are to me. My descendents will know I existed; I had to, for them to exist. But they will not know of me, nor my passing, nor will they even likely care.

Again, trying not to sound aggressive or rude or depressing, but that's the fact of life. That's the realistic endgame of everything. Whether you die of old age, of some disease, or because you checked out, a couple hundred years from now, your descendants won't care because they'll have never known of you regardless. So, no. I do not feel guilt over my decision. In fact, as you notice later on in my posts, I've already made up my mind. If I am to discover I am dying, I refuse to die a slow painful death. I will be one of those who chooses to check out. Not today, or anytime soon. But possibly, in the future.

Put
The Johnny Mandel
Down

[Salus Maior]

And if I were to decide to check out in the future, that's my decision. I realize it may hurt some people. But emotional pain is temporary. People will move on without me. The earth won't stop spinning without me, even though I loathe to admit that. Such is the way of humans; the way of society; the way of this world. But, even if there is an afterlife or something that comes after, or even as I take my last breathe after deciding to check out in the future, will I feel any guilt for causing that emotional pain? No. Because I know it's temporary. Because I know that once my family moves on....

As someone who has experienced personally the suicide of someone, and knows personally the family involved: That's a load of horse shit.

Losing a child is a permanent scar, one that changes people forever. Hell, I've still not forgotten the death of my friend, and there are still moments where I feel regrets and pain over his death. And that was 5 years ago. The parents are still suffering from his death, and his sister has become a drug addict in her struggle with the grief. All because of his decision.

To be frank, to think the way you are right now is entirely self-absorbed and small minded. If you are suffering from suicidal thoughts, get help.

[The East Marches II]

Clearly you've never suffered with the guilt of constant suicidality staying up for two days straight bargaining with yourself not for your life but for your death because you're just so fucking tired knowing that your death will devastate the people you love most but being just aware enough to resent the numbness of that realization.

Not to sound rude or anything, or seem aggressive. But this seems to imply I feel guilt about any of my decisions, ever. Do I realize I fuck up, sometimes? Certainly. Do I acknowledge those fuck ups? Definitely. Do I feel guilt, ever? Not a chance in any version of hell. I'll apologize and acknowledge any fuck ups I make, but won't feel guilty for making a decision.

And if I were to decide to check out in the future, that's my decision. I realize it may hurt some people. But emotional pain is temporary. People will move on without me. The earth won't stop spinning without me, even though I loathe to admit that. Such is the way of humans; the way of society; the way of this world. But, even if there is an afterlife or something that comes after, or even as I take my last breathe after deciding to check out in the future, will I feel any guilt for causing that emotional pain? No. Because I know it's temporary. Because I know that once my family moves on, and they pass on, and their children pass on, and so on... I'll just be a distant memory. A phantom of some forgotten ancestor, just as my great great great great and so on grand-ancestors are to me. My descendents will know I existed; I had to, for them to exist. But they will not know of me, nor my passing, nor will they even likely care.

Again, trying not to sound aggressive or rude or depressing, but that's the fact of life. That's the realistic endgame of everything. Whether you die of old age, of some disease, or because you checked out, a couple hundred years from now, your descendants won't care because they'll have never known of you regardless. So, no. I do not feel guilt over my decision. In fact, as you notice later on in my posts, I've already made up my mind. If I am to discover I am dying, I refuse to die a slow painful death. I will be one of those who chooses to check out. Not today, or anytime soon. But possibly, in the future.

Its only an incredibly selfish person who thinks in such terms. Surely you have a mother or a father who would mourn your loss? A brother, a sister, a friend? Now you are going full edge to defend an undefendable position. Unlike myself, I think you sincerely believe it.

[Alazonti]

Better Far Right than far Wrong...

Better dead than red...

[Lady Scylla]

Clearly you've never suffered with the guilt of constant suicidality staying up for two days straight bargaining with yourself not for your life but for your death because you're just so fucking tired knowing that your death will devastate the people you love most but being just aware enough to resent the numbness of that realization.

Not to sound rude or anything, or seem aggressive. But this seems to imply I feel guilt about any of my decisions, ever. Do I realize I fuck up, sometimes? Certainly. Do I acknowledge those fuck ups? Definitely. Do I feel guilt, ever? Not a chance in any version of hell. I'll apologize and acknowledge any fuck ups I make, but won't feel guilty for making a decision.

And if I were to decide to check out in the future, that's my decision. I realize it may hurt some people. But emotional pain is temporary. People will move on without me. The earth won't stop spinning without me, even though I loathe to admit that. Such is the way of humans; the way of society; the way of this world. But, even if there is an afterlife or something that comes after, or even as I take my last breathe after deciding to check out in the future, will I feel any guilt for causing that emotional pain? No. Because I know it's temporary. Because I know that once my family moves on, and they pass on, and their children pass on, and so on... I'll just be a distant memory. A phantom of some forgotten ancestor, just as my great great great great and so on grand-ancestors are to me. My descendents will know I existed; I had to, for them to exist. But they will not know of me, nor my passing, nor will they even likely care.

Again, trying not to sound aggressive or rude or depressing, but that's the fact of life. That's the realistic endgame of everything. Whether you die of old age, of some disease, or because you checked out, a couple hundred years from now, your descendants won't care because they'll have never known of you regardless. So, no. I do not feel guilt over my decision. In fact, as you notice later on in my posts, I've already made up my mind. If I am to discover I am dying, I refuse to die a slow painful death. I will be one of those who chooses to check out. Not today, or anytime soon. But possibly, in the future.

It's not temporary. It never goes away or gets easier.

Thinking about suicide, and actually trying it are two completely different things it's hard to even compare them. It takes weeks or even months to reach a point that -- 'I'm going to kill myself today'. Even then you're still afraid. You're afraid if it'll hurt, you're afraid if you fail, you're afraid of what everyone will think, you're afraid that maybe life is going to get better tomorrow if you give it just one more day. Then it's just impulse. When you try to hang yourself, assuming you've done it wrong, you immediately feel panic as your body fights to get you out of the noose. If done right, you feel the panic, and then you're unconscious. Which, done right, takes about 30 seconds. But those 30 seconds seem like a lifetime.

If you try to electrocute yourself, you feel fear and panic just seconds before it happens. And then the pain hits, and you'll either get blown back or go unconscious and wake up in pain. The idea that a suicidal person wants to kill themselves, I can say, personally, is absolute bullshit. There is nothing more terrifying than being that close to death, every inch of you wants you to stop. Sometimes, you're too dumb to listen, other times, you listen but it's already too late. But, having survived my three lovely attempts, I can say that the pain never goes away. I see it everyday on my family's faces when they smile at me. I see it when they're afraid to let me get my own medication, or be by myself. I'm not even dead, but to them, every time they see those medications -- they see me on the floor unconscious. Suicide isn't something romantic. It's painful, it's ugly, and it can be permanent.

[Austrasien]

Bodily sovereignty is the most important right.

It doesn't exist.

[Husseinarti]

When did Coldsteel the Hedgeheg get here?

[Mattopilos II]

Bodily sovereignty is the most important right.

It doesn't exist.

Rights are ideas, so of course they don't exist.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Rights are ideas, so of course they don't exist.

Rights are like property, nothin' but spooks!

[Marydale]

I'm most content with Bannon.

[Grand Britannia]

M8, UMN is against the death penalty. What you just posted was 110% garbage and not reflecting reality in the slightest.

making women into baby-producing factories

Yeah, so. I think I know how to solve low birth rates, now.

[Darussalam]

making women into baby-producing factories

Yeah, so. I think I know how to solve low birth rates, now.

Bringing Arabs in?
Or Arabizing the white race?

I agree it must be done, whichever it is

I'm most content with Bannon.

Bannon should respectfully return himself to the place he belongs (trash) and allow people who actually know what's happening (i.e neocons) to take his place.

[Northern Davincia]

Bodily sovereignty is the most important right.

It doesn't exist.

To the contrary, property rights are the most important rights.

[Conscentia]

It doesn't exist.

To the contrary, property rights are the most important rights.

Why?

[Lady Scylla]

I'm most content with Bannon.

Huh. I thought this was TEM for a second.

[Lady Scylla]

To the contrary, property rights are the most important rights.

Why?

>Mah NAP

I'm guessing.

[Greater Allidron]

To the contrary, property rights are the most important rights.

Why?

They are the bedrock of a free society and successful society.

[Austrasien]

When did Coldsteel the Hedgeheg get here?

Calling everything rights rots the brain. It is the laziest form of argumentation. Sadly people have been conditioned by the judicialization of politics to start salivating whenever someone rings the bell marked "rights", so pulling the label out of your ass to justify anything and everything actually works.

Rights are ideas, so of course they don't exist.

If enough people act like they do, they do. Bodily sovereignty is not one of those things. The great majority of people and governments believe there are many reasonable restrictions that can and should be placed on what you should be able to do to your own body.

[The East Marches II]

I'm most content with Bannon.

Huh. I thought this was TEM for a second.

That is a former flag of mine and that is something I would say tbf.

[The East Marches II]

It doesn't exist.

To the contrary, property rights are the most important rights.

Then why do liberatarians support open borders? :^)

[Nea Videssos]

If it comes to it I'll violate your bodily sovereignty.

Taken out of context, this sounds intriguing.