Right Wing Discussion Thread IX: The Right Man's Burden

[The Parkus Empire]

You can't split the individual from society.

If it is an obligation for the whole, it is an obligation for the part.

I disagree. If you couldn't split the individual from society, then there would be no individuals apart from society, nor any individuals who could move from one society to another. The obligations of groups do not necessarily impose an obligation on all members within that group.

You can split the individual from society but he will still be a complex product of society. Estrangement from society, though, unless it's in nature or God, generally causes the individual to slowly degenerate. Basement dwellers are a good example of this.

[Albrenia]

I disagree. If you couldn't split the individual from society, then there would be no individuals apart from society, nor any individuals who could move from one society to another. The obligations of groups do not necessarily impose an obligation on all members within that group.

You can split the individual from society but he will still be a complex product of society. Estrangement from society, though, unless it's in nature or God, generally causes the individual to slowly degenerate. Basement dwellers are a good example of this.

I'd mostly agree with that. I'd just remove the two 'unless' clauses, since they just causes slightly different types of decay.

[War Gears]

No it isn't. Abortion, homosexuality, divorce, fornication, and adultery are widespread and accepted by the society.

^ This. We're living in the most god-hating, satan worshipping, and degenerate time in humanity's history.

Have you ever actually looked at history before the modern era?

Because unlike ancient times, we don't consider infanticide acceptable, or that adults should be able to have sex with someone as young as twelve (or nine, if we're looking at your prophet). The "pre-degenerate" era of human history is a myth. Even UMN's favorite idol Nicholas was probably not legitimate because one of his ancestors fucked a man who wasn't her husband.

[The Parkus Empire]

You can split the individual from society but he will still be a complex product of society. Estrangement from society, though, unless it's in nature or God, generally causes the individual to slowly degenerate. Basement dwellers are a good example of this.

I'd mostly agree with that. I'd just remove the two 'unless' clauses, since they just causes slightly different types of decay.

On the contrary, lack of solitude with nature and God also causes degeneration: antisocial tendencies strongly correlate with population density.

[Napkiraly]

^ This. We're living in the most god-hating, satan worshipping, and degenerate time in humanity's history.

Have you ever actually looked at history before the modern era?

Because unlike ancient times, we don't consider infanticide acceptable, or that adults should be able to have sex with someone as young as twelve (or nine, if we're looking at your prophet). The "pre-degenerate" era of human history is a myth. Even UMN's favorite idol Nicholas was probably not legitimate because one of his ancestors fucked a man who wasn't her husband.

Paul I is said to have resembled Peter III.

[The East Marches II]

I'd mostly agree with that. I'd just remove the two 'unless' clauses, since they just causes slightly different types of decay.

On the contrary, lack of solitude with nature and God also causes degeneration: antisocial tendencies strongly correlate with population density.

I agree with this assessment.

[War Gears]

The point of the argument, as summed in the guy's last tweet:


Is that anti-choice advocates are using an emotional argument that they themselves do not actually believe. The whole 'unborn child' bull is hollow, down to its core.

lol, I literally just said the eggs should be saved if they are going to live.

So a bunch of cells should be saved over a conscious toddler?

[The Parkus Empire]

So, should a woman be able to abandon her child to die?

Not in the same area as the previous examples.
The child is not part of her body, the child is its own person who the mother is legally responsible for.

I think the issue hinges on whether the mother is responsible prior to birth, or only after. Which in turn hinges on whether society includes the unborn; classical conservatism understands society in an eternalist sense (all points in time are real), including the dead, living and unborn. Whereas liberalism has a presentist (only the present is real) conception of society. I'm extremely critical of conservatism in general, but that is because I am a classical conservative. Environmental disregard by conservatives, for instance, is to me a product of presentism.

[Aillyria]

^ This. We're living in the most god-hating, satan worshipping, and degenerate time in humanity's history.

Have you ever actually looked at history before the modern era?

Because unlike ancient times, we don't consider infanticide acceptable, or that adults should be able to have sex with someone as young as twelve (or nine, if we're looking at your prophet). The "pre-degenerate" era of human history is a myth. Even UMN's favorite idol Nicholas was probably not legitimate because one of his ancestors fucked a man who wasn't her husband.

Lol, humanity is only materially better off than it was back then, tbh. BTW there is no definitive evidence that Aisha was a child, so that so called argument is stale AF and needs to be shelved, think of sometjing else.

Modern age we have all this gender fluid bullshit, fat acceptance, pedophilia as a sexual orientation, safe spaces, etc etc etc. Society is going down the fucking gutter. I pray the end days are near so Allah will cast down the degenerates who pervert his creation to the fire.

[The Parkus Empire]

Have you ever actually looked at history before the modern era?

Because unlike ancient times, we don't consider infanticide acceptable, or that adults should be able to have sex with someone as young as twelve (or nine, if we're looking at your prophet). The "pre-degenerate" era of human history is a myth. Even UMN's favorite idol Nicholas was probably not legitimate because one of his ancestors fucked a man who wasn't her husband.

Lol, humanity is only materially better off than it was back then, tbh. BTW there is no definitive evidence that Aisha was a child, so that so called argument is stale AF and needs to be shelved, think of sometjing else.

Modern age we have all this gender fluid bullshit, fat acceptance, pedophilia as a sexual orientation, safe spaces, etc etc etc. Society is going down the fucking gutter. I pray the end days are near so Allah will cast down the degenerates who pervert his creation to the fire.

You'll be sure to cast the first stone.

[Aillyria]

Lol, humanity is only materially better off than it was back then, tbh. BTW there is no definitive evidence that Aisha was a child, so that so called argument is stale AF and needs to be shelved, think of sometjing else.

Modern age we have all this gender fluid bullshit, fat acceptance, pedophilia as a sexual orientation, safe spaces, etc etc etc. Society is going down the fucking gutter. I pray the end days are near so Allah will cast down the degenerates who pervert his creation to the fire.

You'll be sure to cast the first stone.

I doubt it. Believe it our not, I'm not violent til provoked.

[The Parkus Empire]

You'll be sure to cast the first stone.

I doubt it. Believe it our not, I'm not violent til provoked.

I meant it as a figure of speech.

[The East Marches II]

Have you ever actually looked at history before the modern era?

Because unlike ancient times, we don't consider infanticide acceptable, or that adults should be able to have sex with someone as young as twelve (or nine, if we're looking at your prophet). The "pre-degenerate" era of human history is a myth. Even UMN's favorite idol Nicholas was probably not legitimate because one of his ancestors fucked a man who wasn't her husband.

Lol, humanity is only materially better off than it was back then, tbh. BTW there is no definitive evidence that Aisha was a child, so that so called argument is stale AF and needs to be shelved, think of sometjing else.

Modern age we have all this gender fluid bullshit, fat acceptance, pedophilia as a sexual orientation, safe spaces, etc etc etc. Society is going down the fucking gutter. I pray the end days are near so Allah will cast down the degenerates who pervert his creation to the fire.

Excuse me but I have a whole host of gentlemen from Memri TV will contest all of those claims.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Have you ever actually looked at history before the modern era?

Because unlike ancient times, we don't consider infanticide acceptable, or that adults should be able to have sex with someone as young as twelve (or nine, if we're looking at your prophet). The "pre-degenerate" era of human history is a myth. Even UMN's favorite idol Nicholas was probably not legitimate because one of his ancestors fucked a man who wasn't her husband.

Lol, humanity is only materially better off than it was back then, tbh. BTW there is no definitive evidence that Aisha was a child, so that so called argument is stale AF and needs to be shelved, think of sometjing else.

Modern age we have all this gender fluid bullshit, fat acceptance, pedophilia as a sexual orientation, safe spaces, etc etc etc. Society is going down the fucking gutter. I pray the end days are near so Allah will cast down the degenerates who pervert his creation to the fire.

Afaik the vast majority of ye olde sources say Aisha was married at 7 or so and the marriage was consummated when she was 9. Pedophilia and shit like that certainly isn't unique to the modern era.

[Aillyria]

I doubt it. Believe it our not, I'm not violent til provoked.

I meant it as a figure of speech.

Ah, ok

Lol, humanity is only materially better off than it was back then, tbh. BTW there is no definitive evidence that Aisha was a child, so that so called argument is stale AF and needs to be shelved, think of sometjing else.

Modern age we have all this gender fluid bullshit, fat acceptance, pedophilia as a sexual orientation, safe spaces, etc etc etc. Society is going down the fucking gutter. I pray the end days are near so Allah will cast down the degenerates who pervert his creation to the fire.

Excuse me but I have a whole host of gentlemen from Memri TV will contest all of those claims.

What is Memri TV?

[The East Marches II]

I meant it as a figure of speech.

Ah, ok

Excuse me but I have a whole host of gentlemen from Memri TV will contest all of those claims.

What is Memri TV?

Translations of Arab TV. Its a pretty good channel with interesting characters.

[The Parkus Empire]

Lol, humanity is only materially better off than it was back then, tbh. BTW there is no definitive evidence that Aisha was a child, so that so called argument is stale AF and needs to be shelved, think of sometjing else.

Modern age we have all this gender fluid bullshit, fat acceptance, pedophilia as a sexual orientation, safe spaces, etc etc etc. Society is going down the fucking gutter. I pray the end days are near so Allah will cast down the degenerates who pervert his creation to the fire.

Afaik the vast majority of ye olde sources say Aisha was married at 7 or so and the marriage was consummated when she was 9. Pedophilia and shit like that certainly isn't unique to the modern era.

18 year old age of consent is very modern, but sex with a girl at that age was certainly not common and would probably be considered sick. Puberty would be absolute minimal and probably somewhat older than that for reasons of childbearing safety.

[Austrasien]

So a bunch of cells should be saved over a conscious toddler?

They are both humans.

[Aillyria]

Ah, ok


What is Memri TV?

Translations of Arab TV. Its a pretty good channel with interesting characters.

Eh, I don't really watch Arab tv.....since I'm not an Arab, lol.

[The Eternal Aulus]

I pray the end days are near so Allah will cast down the degenerates who pervert his creation to the fire.

Don't worry about that, we'll all be dead in one hundred years or so.

[War Gears]

Lol, humanity is only materially better off than it was back then, tbh.

Your imaginary spiritual meter is not an accurate means of measuring what's better off.

BTW there is no definitive evidence that Aisha was a child, so that so called argument is stale AF and needs to be shelved, think of sometjing else.

Aisha being nine years old is well established, it's recorded she even used to play with dolls while married to Muhammad. You may not like that your prophet had sex with a little girl who played with dolls, but unfortunately, it's historical fact.

we have all this gender fluid bullshit,

Yet your side constantly fails to explain why it's bullshit.

fat acceptance,

Almost entirely a fringe thing, whereas back in the medieval ages, being overweight was a sign of beauty.

pedophilia as a sexual orientation,

Pedophilia being a paraphilia has been established by psychiatrists for years.

safe spaces,

See my point about your side failing to explain why this is bullshit.

Society is going down the fucking gutter.

Oh, but the days where blacks were segregated were so much better?

I pray the end days are near so Allah will cast down the degenerates who pervert his creation to the fire.

Charming. Unfortunately most of us don't have sadistic urges to watch people we disagree with burn in agony because they make us feel bad.

[War Gears]

So a bunch of cells should be saved over a conscious toddler?

They are both humans.

So are the cells on my finger. I'd still save a toddler over them.

[The Eternal Aulus]

lol, I literally just said the eggs should be saved if they are going to live.

So a bunch of cells should be saved over a conscious toddler?

Tbh we'd do them a favor if we don't allow people to be born into this world. Especially if they're born in poverty striken areas. I'd rather never exist than being born in a shitty part of Africa for example.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Almost entirely a fringe thing, whereas back in the medieval ages, being overweight was a sign of beauty.

Source please.

[The Parkus Empire]

Lol, humanity is only materially better off than it was back then, tbh.

Your imaginary spiritual meter is not an accurate means of measuring what's better off.

BTW there is no definitive evidence that Aisha was a child, so that so called argument is stale AF and needs to be shelved, think of sometjing else.

Aisha being nine years old is well established, it's recorded she even used to play with dolls while married to Muhammad. You may not like that your prophet had sex with a little girl who played with dolls, but unfortunately, it's historical fact.

we have all this gender fluid bullshit,

Yet your side constantly fails to explain why it's bullshit.

fat acceptance,

Almost entirely a fringe thing, whereas back in the medieval ages, being overweight was a sign of beauty.

pedophilia as a sexual orientation,

Pedophilia being a paraphilia has been established by psychiatrists for years.

safe spaces,

See my point about your side failing to explain why this is bullshit.

Society is going down the fucking gutter.

Oh, but the days where blacks were segregated were so much better?

I pray the end days are near so Allah will cast down the degenerates who pervert his creation to the fire.

Charming. Unfortunately most of us don't have sadistic urges to watch people we disagree with burn in agony because they make us feel bad.

Being fat was beautiful in the Renaissance, not during the Middle Ages.