Right Wing Discussion Thread IX: The Right Man's Burden

[The Empire of Pretantia]

>implying blood and organ donation shouldn't be mandatory in life-or-death scenarios
Explain why they shouldn't be?

Get your hands off my fucking organs! Find an O-neg to tear apart!

[The V O I D]

>implying blood and organ donation shouldn't be mandatory in life-or-death scenarios
Explain why they shouldn't be?

Violates bodily sovereignty. It sucks someone else dies, but they don't get to choose for another person - nor does anyone else - whether the other person donates or not.

In fact, while we're on this topic, it's also completely up to the patient whether they want organ/blood donation. If they are coherent and not comatose, and they can make their own medical decisions, they can indeed refuse treatment and such according to bodily sovereignty laws.

Bodily sovereignty is an absolute unless someone does something deserving of having it lessened (it should never be completely removed); such as murder or rape, wherein they violated someone else's bodily sovereignty or right to life as a born person.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Are the silly right-wingers arguing with the robot about abortion personhood again?

More about bodily sovereignty and whether it expands to money you earn, even though money isn't an organ inside your body or apart of the body physically.

Yes, the right-wingers are arguing about abortion and personhood again.

[United Muscovite Nations]

>implying blood and organ donation shouldn't be mandatory in life-or-death scenarios
Explain why they shouldn't be?

Violates bodily sovereignty. It sucks someone else dies, but they don't get to choose for another person - nor does anyone else - whether the other person donates or not.

In fact, while we're on this topic, it's also completely up to the patient whether they want organ/blood donation. If they are coherent and not comatose, and they can make their own medical decisions, they can indeed refuse treatment and such according to bodily sovereignty laws.

Bodily sovereignty is an absolute unless someone does something deserving of having it lessened (it should never be completely removed); such as murder or rape, wherein they violated someone else's bodily sovereignty or right to life as a born person.

So, why is suicide illegal?

[The V O I D]

More about bodily sovereignty and whether it expands to money you earn, even though money isn't an organ inside your body or apart of the body physically.

Yes, the right-wingers are arguing about abortion and personhood again.

Even though personhood does not change bodily sovereignty's existence.

[The V O I D]

Violates bodily sovereignty. It sucks someone else dies, but they don't get to choose for another person - nor does anyone else - whether the other person donates or not.

In fact, while we're on this topic, it's also completely up to the patient whether they want organ/blood donation. If they are coherent and not comatose, and they can make their own medical decisions, they can indeed refuse treatment and such according to bodily sovereignty laws.

Bodily sovereignty is an absolute unless someone does something deserving of having it lessened (it should never be completely removed); such as murder or rape, wherein they violated someone else's bodily sovereignty or right to life as a born person.

So, why is suicide illegal?

Under modern U.S. law, suicide is no longer a crime. Some states, however, classify attempted suicide as a criminal act, but prosecutions are rare, especially when the offender is terminally ill.

False. Recently, we realized people wanting to off themselves is also bodily sovereignty.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

So, why is suicide illegal?

Under modern U.S. law, suicide is no longer a crime. Some states, however, classify attempted suicide as a criminal act, but prosecutions are rare, especially when the offender is terminally ill.

False. Recently, we realized people wanting to off themselves is also bodily sovereignty.

We realized you can't enforce the law when the perpetrator is already dead.

[The East Marches II]

Are the silly right-wingers arguing with the robot about abortion personhood again?

More about bodily sovereignty and whether it expands to money you earn, even though money isn't an organ inside your body or apart of the body physically.

You mean the muscles and brain with which I used to earn that money aren't inside of my body? Thats strange. I thought you were all "pro-science" and stuff.

[United Muscovite Nations]

So, why is suicide illegal?

Under modern U.S. law, suicide is no longer a crime. Some states, however, classify attempted suicide as a criminal act, but prosecutions are rare, especially when the offender is terminally ill.

False. Recently, we realized people wanting to off themselves is also bodily sovereignty.

If you actually try killing yourself, you usually end up in a mental institution.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

More about bodily sovereignty and whether it expands to money you earn, even though money isn't an organ inside your body or apart of the body physically.

You mean the muscles and brain with which I used to earn that money aren't inside of my body? Thats strange. I thought you were all "pro-science" and stuff.

Oh boy, here we go.

[The V O I D]

More about bodily sovereignty and whether it expands to money you earn, even though money isn't an organ inside your body or apart of the body physically.

You mean the muscles and brain with which I used to earn that money aren't inside of my body? Thats strange. I thought you were all "pro-science" and stuff.

And with that non-argument, we're done here. You lose.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Basically, what I'm saying is that if you let someone die because it inconveniences you, you're a shitty person and the law should punish you.

[The East Marches II]

You mean the muscles and brain with which I used to earn that money aren't inside of my body? Thats strange. I thought you were all "pro-science" and stuff.

And with that non-argument, we're done here. You lose.

Subscribing to "alternative facts" now are we?

[The V O I D]

False. Recently, we realized people wanting to off themselves is also bodily sovereignty.

If you actually try killing yourself, you usually end up in a mental institution.

Then mental institutions that aren't for the criminally insane or those with mental illnesses like schizophrenia and such should be shut down or shut down their suicide watch wings. Bodily sovereignty is absolute.

Euthanasia should also be legal for patients to request - or, in cases where they are comatose or unable to speak for themselves, if they had previously put someone as their primary caretaker or some such equivalent wherein they can make medical decisions for the person in question, that person who has been entrusted to make such decisions should be allowed to request it if they believe it's what the patient would want.

[The V O I D]

And with that non-argument, we're done here. You lose.

Subscribing to "alternative facts" now are we?

More non-arguments, eh?

[The East Marches II]

Subscribing to "alternative facts" now are we?

More non-arguments, eh?

More Breitbart eh?

[United Muscovite Nations]

If you actually try killing yourself, you usually end up in a mental institution.

Then mental institutions that aren't for the criminally insane or those with mental illnesses like schizophrenia and such should be shut down or shut down their suicide watch wings. Bodily sovereignty is absolute.

Euthanasia should also be legal for patients to request - or, in cases where they are comatose or unable to speak for themselves, if they had previously put someone as their primary caretaker or some such equivalent wherein they can make medical decisions for the person in question, that person who has been entrusted to make such decisions should be allowed to request it if they believe it's what the patient would want.

Why should those with Schizophrenia not have bodily sovereignty?

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Then mental institutions that aren't for the criminally insane or those with mental illnesses like schizophrenia and such should be shut down or shut down their suicide watch wings. Bodily sovereignty is absolute.

Euthanasia should also be legal for patients to request - or, in cases where they are comatose or unable to speak for themselves, if they had previously put someone as their primary caretaker or some such equivalent wherein they can make medical decisions for the person in question, that person who has been entrusted to make such decisions should be allowed to request it if they believe it's what the patient would want.

Why should those with Schizophrenia not have bodily sovereignty?

Unlike suicidal people, they have serious issues that cannot be ignored.

[The V O I D]

Then mental institutions that aren't for the criminally insane or those with mental illnesses like schizophrenia and such should be shut down or shut down their suicide watch wings. Bodily sovereignty is absolute.

Euthanasia should also be legal for patients to request - or, in cases where they are comatose or unable to speak for themselves, if they had previously put someone as their primary caretaker or some such equivalent wherein they can make medical decisions for the person in question, that person who has been entrusted to make such decisions should be allowed to request it if they believe it's what the patient would want.

Why should those with Schizophrenia not have bodily sovereignty?

Those who are mentally unfit and cannot make such decisions for themselves rationally should not be allowed to do so for their own safety, as such a decision is quite permanent and should be left up to a rational mind.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Why should those with Schizophrenia not have bodily sovereignty?

Those who are mentally unfit and cannot make such decisions for themselves rationally should not be allowed to do so for their own safety, as such a decision is quite permanent and should be left up to a rational mind.

Why do you get to decide who is mentally fit? Are those with depression also mentally unfit?

[The V O I D]

Why should those with Schizophrenia not have bodily sovereignty?

Unlike suicidal people, they have serious issues that cannot be ignored.

People with depression sometimes kill themselves. There have also been documented cases of people killing themselves just because.

When a depressed person does it, it's just like if a schizophrenic person does it. It was not the product of a rational mind. When a normal, rational person does it... oh well, they died. But they did so on their terms.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Why should those with Schizophrenia not have bodily sovereignty?

Those who are mentally unfit and cannot make such decisions for themselves rationally should not be allowed to do so for their own safety, as such a decision is quite permanent and should be left up to a rational mind.

Dude. Literally suicidal people fit that description.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

When a normal, rational person does it

A normal, rational person does not kill themselves.

[The V O I D]

Those who are mentally unfit and cannot make such decisions for themselves rationally should not be allowed to do so for their own safety, as such a decision is quite permanent and should be left up to a rational mind.

Why do you get to decide who is mentally fit? Are those with depression also mentally unfit?

See my response to Pret for the latter.

And I don't decide who is mentally fit. Psychiatrists and psychologists do, because they are trained even today to know who is mentally fit and unfit and who should go to a mental institution and who should not.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Why do you get to decide who is mentally fit? Are those with depression also mentally unfit?

See my response to Pret for the latter.

And I don't decide who is mentally fit.

You're deciding it right now.

Psychiatrists and psychologists do, because they are trained even today to know who is mentally fit and unfit and who should go to a mental institution and who should not.

Thank God they consider people who want to kill themselves mentally unfit.