Right Wing Discussion Thread IX: The Right Man's Burden

[Northern Davincia]

That is more the fault of the state and less of religion. Caste systems are like that.

Same with Shinto and Buddhism.

In Feudal Japan, the major difference is that the state is your religion. When your emperor is a living god, the actions of state and religion become one.

[Salus Maior]

Then you have Catholicism where clergy poses as God's authority on Earth, that's pretty BS too. Christianity had no leg to stand on to say they were morally on the high groun in comparison to native Japanese practices.

Yeaahh...Catholic clergy's spiritual position isn't comparable to the God-Emprah thing the Japanese had going on.

[The East Marches II]

Is it time to get the cross?

Cedar from Palaestina
Nails from Noricum
Papyrus from Egypt
Punishment from Rome =^)

That made quote of the week

Daily Reminder: Japan was a mistake and it is rightful Chinese clay :^)

t. Kublai Khan

Right before the gods sent a tsunami to wreck his ships.

t. Curtis Lemay's Ghost :^)

[Salus Maior]

Which is like what, two?

And the first one they had, Korea and China beat Japan so bad that they didn't try again for like 200 years.

Yeah, Japan was cocky on that 1st invasion of Korea.

And the second time was when Imperial China was on a steep decline and didn't westernize it's military.

What a victory for the Japanese.

[The East Marches II]

Yeah, Japan was cocky on that 1st invasion of Korea.

And the second time was when Imperial China was on a steep decline and didn't westernize it's military.

What a victory for the Japanese.

Thats the fault of the Chinese for being weak. To their credit, they learned and weren't weak round 2.

[War Gears]

Please stop with the ridiculous nonsense about how Christianity was the champion of the lower classes and that that was the reason it was suppressed by the big bad shogun and his elite, because that is nowhere near close to reality. Christianity was favored by many daimyo and others in the upper class who had no interest in helping the lower classes, and exercised their powers in order to coerce their subordinates into converting as well.

Do you believe that slavery and destroying religious places of worship are barbaric as well?

I'm not. It's a statement of a fact that part of the rejection of Christianity was to preserve Japan's status quo.

Native converted people destroying their own places of worship to replace them with new ones isn't that objectionable to me, it happened plenty of times during Europe's conversion (although I'd rather they just be converted rather than destroyed for the sake of historical value, like the Roman Pantheon and the Parthenon). Slavery, of course, is profoundly objectionable to me. But it's not like peasants in Japan had it any better under the Shinto-Buddhist system.

You strongly implied that opposition to the status quo was not favoring the ruling lords, which is why they crushed Christianity.

Besides many of the shrines and temples having been historic landmarks, and their destruction being inspired by ridiculous nonsense such as assertions that the kami and Buddhas were demons, your logic hinges on the assumption that the whole people (or even the majority) had been converted, which was not the case. And, while slavery had not been completely abolished in practice, at the very least Japanese people weren't being sold to be taken to far away lands where they'd never see their home again.

Fortunately, fate's seemed to have favored Shinto, and not made Japan into a land of fat greasy televangelists or Orthodox priests who sit over the razed remains of Ise Shrine and other world heritage sites.

[War Gears]

Yeah, Japan was cocky on that 1st invasion of Korea.

And the second time was when Imperial China was on a steep decline and didn't westernize it's military.

What a victory for the Japanese.

Everyone had put their money on China and it seemed certain they would be victorious.

[Salus Maior]

Fortunately, fate's seemed to have favored Shinto, and not made Japan into a land of fat greasy televangelists or Orthodox priests who sit over the razed remains of Ise Shrine and other world heritage sites.

Yeah, now it's the home of Suicide forest, anime, workaholics who literally work themselves to death, and men who don't have sex with real women because they're not like anime girls.

What a win.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Fortunately, fate's seemed to have favored Shinto, and not made Japan into a land of fat greasy televangelists or Orthodox priests who sit over the razed remains of Ise Shrine and other world heritage sites.

It seems that they came to be fat greasy weeaboos instead. :^)

[The East Marches II]

Fortunately, fate's seemed to have favored Shinto, and not made Japan into a land of fat greasy televangelists or Orthodox priests who sit over the razed remains of Ise Shrine and other world heritage sites.

Yeah, now it's the home of Suicide forest, anime, workaholics who literally work themselves to death, and men who don't have sex with real women because they're not like anime girls.

What a win.

And yet they are free of Jesuits, I'm willing to give them a win :^)

[Salus Maior]

And the second time was when Imperial China was on a steep decline and didn't westernize it's military.

What a victory for the Japanese.

Everyone had put their money on China and it seemed certain they would be victorious.

Yeah, Japan only wins when people underestimate them to ludicrous levels.

[Aillyria]

Same with Shinto and Buddhism.

In Feudal Japan, the major difference is that the state is your religion. When your emperor is a living god, the actions of state and religion become one.

Uh, samething with the power of the Papal States and the Pope in medieval Europe.

Then you have Catholicism where clergy poses as God's authority on Earth, that's pretty BS too. Christianity had no leg to stand on to say they were morally on the high groun in comparison to native Japanese practices.

Yeaahh...Catholic clergy's spiritual position isn't comparable to the God-Emprah thing the Japanese had going on.

Ditto my response above.

[Minzerland II]

I'm not. It's a statement of a fact that part of the rejection of Christianity was to preserve Japan's status quo.

Native converted people destroying their own places of worship to replace them with new ones isn't that objectionable to me, it happened plenty of times during Europe's conversion (although I'd rather they just be converted rather than destroyed for the sake of historical value, like the Roman Pantheon and the Parthenon). Slavery, of course, is profoundly objectionable to me. But it's not like peasants in Japan had it any better under the Shinto-Buddhist system.

You strongly implied that opposition to the status quo was not favoring the ruling lords, which is why they crushed Christianity.

Besides many of the shrines and temples having been historic landmarks, and their destruction being inspired by ridiculous nonsense such as assertions that the kami and Buddhas were demons, your logic hinges on the assumption that the whole people (or even the majority) had been converted, which was not the case. And, while slavery had not been completely abolished in practice, at the very least Japanese people weren't being sold to be taken to far away lands where they'd never see their home again.

Fortunately, fate's seemed to have favored Shinto, and not made Japan into a land of fat greasy televangelists or Orthodox priests who sit over the razed remains of Ise Shrine and other world heritage sites.

Instead into a country where a good many people work themselves to their deaths.

[Salus Maior]

In Feudal Japan, the major difference is that the state is your religion. When your emperor is a living god, the actions of state and religion become one.

Uh, samething with the power of the Papal States and the Pope in medieval Europe.

The Papal State existed only in Italy, and a tiny bit of France. I don't see how that translates to all of Europe, which isn't a Theocracy as a whole.

As for power, it wasn't nearly as much.

[Aillyria]

You strongly implied that opposition to the status quo was not favoring the ruling lords, which is why they crushed Christianity.

Besides many of the shrines and temples having been historic landmarks, and their destruction being inspired by ridiculous nonsense such as assertions that the kami and Buddhas were demons, your logic hinges on the assumption that the whole people (or even the majority) had been converted, which was not the case. And, while slavery had not been completely abolished in practice, at the very least Japanese people weren't being sold to be taken to far away lands where they'd never see their home again.

Fortunately, fate's seemed to have favored Shinto, and not made Japan into a land of fat greasy televangelists or Orthodox priests who sit over the razed remains of Ise Shrine and other world heritage sites.

Instead into a country where a good many people work themselves to their deaths.

And Catholic priests have a propensity for pedophilia.

[Northern Davincia]

Yeah, now it's the home of Suicide forest, anime, workaholics who literally work themselves to death, and men who don't have sex with real women because they're not like anime girls.

What a win.

And yet they are free of Jesuits, I'm willing to give them a win :^)

That is actually a downside. A very big one, in fact.

Off to South Korea with you.

[The East Marches II]

And yet they are free of Jesuits, I'm willing to give them a win :^)

That is actually a downside. A very big one, in fact.

Off to South Korea with you.

Davincia, I always knew you were left but this confirms it. You and I are going for a ride where we can discuss your loyalties.

[Hakons]

Fortunately, fate's seemed to have favored Shinto, and not made Japan into a land of fat greasy televangelists or Orthodox priests who sit over the razed remains of Ise Shrine and other world heritage sites.

>Mentions fate but doesn't believe in any divinity
>Thinks televangelists are actually influential

0/10

[Minzerland II]

Instead into a country where a good many people work themselves to their deaths.

And Catholic priests have a propensity for pedophilia.

Just like Muhammad, your prophet. :^)

[Senkaku]

And the second time was when Imperial China was on a steep decline and didn't westernize it's military.

What a victory for the Japanese.

Everyone had put their money on China and it seemed certain they would be victorious.

Everyone else was stupid and didn't know what we know now about how monumentally fucking incompetent Cixi and Co. were.

That is actually a downside. A very big one, in fact.

Off to South Korea with you.

Davincia, I always knew you were left but this confirms it. You and I are going for a ride where we can discuss your loyalties.

Not a helicopter ride, I hope. I'm not sure which of you would throw the other out first

Fortunately, fate's seemed to have favored Shinto, and not made Japan into a land of fat greasy televangelists or Orthodox priests who sit over the razed remains of Ise Shrine and other world heritage sites.

Yeah, now it's the home of Suicide forest, anime, workaholics who literally work themselves to death, and men who don't have sex with real women because they're not like anime girls.

What a win.

It's cute that y'all think the right gods are gonna be what steps in to stop a country from having problems lol

[Hakons]

Instead into a country where a good many people work themselves to their deaths.

And Catholic priests have a propensity for pedophilia.

Humans have the chance of pedophilia. I have yet to see evidence that priests are more likely to be pedos. The notion that the clergy breeds pedophilia is from sensationalized crap by the yellow press.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

And Catholic priests have a propensity for pedophilia.

I'd argue that the propensity towards pedophillia within the Catholic Church has been exaggerated by the media — I'd argue that the Church is no more inclined towards that behaviour than any other institution that regularly deals with children.

[The East Marches II]

Not a helicopter ride, I hope. I'm not sure which of you would throw the other out first

No of course not, I'd never do that to a friend

[Albrenia]

Yeah... uhm... I think you might be overlooking some things if you think it's just yellow media bias.

[Salus Maior]

And Catholic priests have a propensity for pedophilia.

4%. That's the estimated percentage of Catholic Priests who committed abused between 1950 and 2002.

You're more likely to be sexually abused by a family member or a teacher than a Catholic Priest.