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Was the Reformation a good thing?

1 - Yes.
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2 - Neutral.
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3 - No.
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Conserative Morality
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue May 30, 2017 10:06 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:But, CM, we can give them land in exchange for military service; don't you see, it's brilliant.

>> giving barbarians land for military service

Let me tell you back in my day you only got land if you did twenty years as a CITIZEN these goddamn border-hopping krauts coming into good imperial lands and having citizen children just doesn't sit right with me no sir
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Postby Saiwania » Tue May 30, 2017 10:07 am

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I was parodying Donald Trump's praise of Duterte. I am nonetheless in favor of dictators and other authoritarian strongmen who aren't complete idiots but keep order and stability. Democracy isn't always the best system of governance. But so far as US foreign policy is concerned, there should be no forceful spread of democracy or nation building. It makes more sense to engage with the world as it is, as opposed to how it ought to be. Business can be done with nations with good or poor human rights records alike.
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Postby Lady Scylla » Tue May 30, 2017 10:08 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Lady Scylla wrote:
And there's the problem, and why such sentiments can't be allowed.

The modernist sentiments are the invading ones; they were the ones that attacked truth and replaced it with relativism. They're the ones that murder their unborn children, and claim that they have the "right" to ignore the suffering of others for their own personal benefit. When the modernists rose in France and Russia, we should have crushed them with no hesitation.


And yet you didn't. Welcome to the modern world.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue May 30, 2017 10:08 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:The modernist sentiments are the invading ones; they were the ones that attacked truth and replaced it with relativism. They're the ones that murder their unborn children, and claim that they have the "right" to ignore the suffering of others for their own personal benefit. When the modernists rose in France and Russia, we should have crushed them with no hesitation.

"We should have crushed them"

That implies you had the capacity to do so lol

La République nous appelle,
Sachons vaincre ou sachons périr
Un Français doit vivre pour elle
Pour elle, un Français doit mourir!
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Postby Germanic Scyths » Tue May 30, 2017 10:10 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:The modernist sentiments are the invading ones; they were the ones that attacked truth and replaced it with relativism. They're the ones that murder their unborn children, and claim that they have the "right" to ignore the suffering of others for their own personal benefit. When the modernists rose in France and Russia, we should have crushed them with no hesitation.

"We should have crushed them"

That implies you had the capacity to do so lol

La République nous appelle,
Sachons vaincre ou sachons périr
Un Français doit vivre pour elle
Pour elle, un Français doit mourir!

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue May 30, 2017 10:10 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:But, CM, we can give them land in exchange for military service; don't you see, it's brilliant.

>> giving barbarians land for military service

Let me tell you back in my day you only got land if you did twenty years as a CITIZEN these goddamn border-hopping krauts coming into good imperial lands and having citizen children just doesn't sit right with me no sir

Don't you understand, CM? Romanitas ain't free; do you want your children to pay for it in their own blood?
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Postby Lorkhan » Tue May 30, 2017 10:11 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Lady Scylla wrote:
And there's the problem, and why such sentiments can't be allowed.

The modernist sentiments are the invading ones; they were the ones that attacked truth and replaced it with relativism. They're the ones that murder their unborn children, and claim that they have the "right" to ignore the suffering of others for their own personal benefit. When the modernists rose in France and Russia, we should have crushed them with no hesitation.


Oh God, spare us these intellectuals and free thinkers. They're destroying our moral foundation with their sophistry! Can't we go back to burning out degenerates like a good morally firm and righteous people? :rofl:
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue May 30, 2017 10:11 am

Lady Scylla wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:The modernist sentiments are the invading ones; they were the ones that attacked truth and replaced it with relativism. They're the ones that murder their unborn children, and claim that they have the "right" to ignore the suffering of others for their own personal benefit. When the modernists rose in France and Russia, we should have crushed them with no hesitation.


And yet you didn't. Welcome to the modern world.

It's awful, send me back.
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Postby Lorkhan » Tue May 30, 2017 10:12 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Lady Scylla wrote:
And yet you didn't. Welcome to the modern world.

It's awful, send me back.


Oh, but your cross to bear...
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue May 30, 2017 10:12 am

Lorkhan wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:The modernist sentiments are the invading ones; they were the ones that attacked truth and replaced it with relativism. They're the ones that murder their unborn children, and claim that they have the "right" to ignore the suffering of others for their own personal benefit. When the modernists rose in France and Russia, we should have crushed them with no hesitation.


Oh God, spare us these intellectuals and free thinkers. They're destroying our moral foundation with their sophistry! Can't we go back to burning out degenerates like a good morally firm and righteous people? :rofl:

>implying most people who accept modernism are even aware of the intellectuals who fathered it
Most people just don't give a shit, and want to do whatever they want with no consequences.

Burning is a little extreme, but I do support canings for certain offenses.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue May 30, 2017 10:13 am

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Postby Lorkhan » Tue May 30, 2017 10:13 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Lorkhan wrote:
Oh God, spare us these intellectuals and free thinkers. They're destroying our moral foundation with their sophistry! Can't we go back to burning out degenerates like a good morally firm and righteous people? :rofl:

>implying most people who accept modernism are even aware of the intellectuals who fathered it
Most people just don't give a shit, and want to do whatever they want with no consequences.


Like burning down an entire village because one or two people are suspected of witchcraft, or throwing a woman in a lake because she was caught dancing.

Yeah, good ol' fashion Christian society sounds great. Let's go back.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue May 30, 2017 10:14 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:>implying most people who accept modernism are even aware of the intellectuals who fathered it
Most people just don't give a shit, and want to do whatever they want with no consequences.

Burning is a little extreme, but I do support canings for certain offenses.

I support canings for people who support canings.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue May 30, 2017 10:15 am

Lorkhan wrote:Like burning down an entire village because one or two people are suspected of witchcraft, or throwing a woman in a lake because she was caught dancing.

Yeah, good ol' fashion Christian society sounds great. Let's go back.

With how horrific pre-modern society was, one would think that blatant and cartoonish caricatures would be unneeded.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue May 30, 2017 10:15 am

Lorkhan wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:>implying most people who accept modernism are even aware of the intellectuals who fathered it
Most people just don't give a shit, and want to do whatever they want with no consequences.


Like burning down an entire village because one or two people are suspected of witchcraft, or throwing a woman in a lake because she was caught dancing.

Yeah, good ol' fashion Christian society sounds great. Let's go back.

That's not traditional Christian society; that's mostly Protestant stuff that only happened in the 1600's and 1700's. I would prefer religious laws similar to those of the Byzantine Empire and Russian Empire.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue May 30, 2017 10:16 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:That's not traditional Christian society; that's mostly Protestant stuff that only happened in the 1600's and 1700's. I would prefer religious laws similar to those of the Byzantine Empire and Russian Empire.

So you want women who are raped in cities and don't scream loud enough to be heard to be charged with adultery?
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue May 30, 2017 10:17 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:>implying most people who accept modernism are even aware of the intellectuals who fathered it
Most people just don't give a shit, and want to do whatever they want with no consequences.

Burning is a little extreme, but I do support canings for certain offenses.

I support canings for people who support canings.

Caning is objectively not an extreme punishment. Which would you rather have, ten lashes with a cane or five months in prison? I think the choice is easy, you lose far less time from the ten lashes.
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Postby Lady Scylla » Tue May 30, 2017 10:18 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Lady Scylla wrote:
And yet you didn't. Welcome to the modern world.

It's awful, send me back.


Such a tragedy.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue May 30, 2017 10:18 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:Caning is objectively not an extreme punishment. Which would you rather have, ten lashes with a cane or five months in prison? I think the choice is easy, you lose far less time from the ten lashes.

Caning is a pointless and counterproductive punishment. The sign of civilization is not force; it is coercion.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue May 30, 2017 10:18 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:That's not traditional Christian society; that's mostly Protestant stuff that only happened in the 1600's and 1700's. I would prefer religious laws similar to those of the Byzantine Empire and Russian Empire.

So you want women who are raped in cities and don't scream loud enough to be heard to be charged with adultery?

Never heard of that one, tbh. That's pretty bad; I admit that some old laws were pretty bad and unnecessary; however, that doesn't warrant the total abandonment of religious teachings on morality, but rather for a strengthening of those religious teachings.
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Postby Lorkhan » Tue May 30, 2017 10:19 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Lorkhan wrote:
Like burning down an entire village because one or two people are suspected of witchcraft, or throwing a woman in a lake because she was caught dancing.

Yeah, good ol' fashion Christian society sounds great. Let's go back.

That's not traditional Christian society; that's mostly Protestant stuff that only happened in the 1600's and 1700's. I would prefer religious laws similar to those of the Byzantine Empire and Russian Empire.


I don't know enough to distinguish between all of the different sects and which is responsible for most of that extreme torture, but I'm pretty sure Protestants didn't wipe out the Cathars.
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Postby Lady Scylla » Tue May 30, 2017 10:19 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:I support canings for people who support canings.

Caning is objectively not an extreme punishment. Which would you rather have, ten lashes with a cane or five months in prison? I think the choice is easy, you lose far less time from the ten lashes.


Five months. I like not having internal bleeding.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue May 30, 2017 10:19 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:Never heard of that one, tbh. That's pretty bad; I admit that some old laws were pretty bad and unnecessary; however, that doesn't warrant the total abandonment of religious teachings on morality, but rather for a strengthening of those religious teachings.

Sounds an awful lot like you're in favor of reforming a religion that supposedly is comprised of divine, objective truth.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue May 30, 2017 10:19 am

Lady Scylla wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:It's awful, send me back.


Such a tragedy.

It is a tragedy. Over a million unborn children murdered every year throughout the world, and the vast, vast majority of people in the West having so little thought for morality that we would surely all be damned for our trespasses, were it not for Heavenly mercy.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue May 30, 2017 10:20 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Never heard of that one, tbh. That's pretty bad; I admit that some old laws were pretty bad and unnecessary; however, that doesn't warrant the total abandonment of religious teachings on morality, but rather for a strengthening of those religious teachings.

Sounds an awful lot like you're in favor of reforming a religion that supposedly is comprised of divine, objective truth.

>implying legal codes are a part of the Christian religion
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