Right Wing Discussion Thread IX: The Right Man's Burden

[United Muscovite Nations]

I'm not racist but should we really be letting The Hun infiltrate the innermost regions of our great nation????

But, CM, we can give them land in exchange for military service; don't you see, it's brilliant.

[Seraven]

Alright, what kind of reformation that you all think Islam needs to be acceptable for the Western? Because I find it hard why it needs to be reformed just to be accepted.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Alright, what kind of reformation that you all think Islam needs to be acceptable for the Western? Because I find it hard why it needs to be reformed just to be accepted.

My opinion is that it would be acceptable only if it stopped treating women, minorities and non-Muslims like half-persons at best and at worst as non-humans to be enslaved, stoned, murdered and thrown off buildings.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Religions shouldn't be reformed because it changes them. If Islam isn't compatible with Western civilization, so be it, though, I can't say Western civilization is worth much anymore, considering its moral bankruptcy. May not be as bad as some aspects of Islamic civilization, but the rampant atheism, hedonism, and degenerate tendencies is nothing to be proud of.

[Lady Scylla]

Religions shouldn't be reformed because it changes them. If Islam isn't compatible with Western civilization, so be it, though, I can't say Western civilization is worth much anymore, considering its moral bankruptcy. May not be as bad as some aspects of Islamic civilization, but the rampant atheism, hedonism, and degenerate tendencies is nothing to be proud of.

I disagree.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Religions shouldn't be reformed because it changes them. If Islam isn't compatible with Western civilization, so be it, though, I can't say Western civilization is worth much anymore, considering its moral bankruptcy. May not be as bad as some aspects of Islamic civilization, but the rampant atheism, hedonism, and degenerate tendencies is nothing to be proud of.

I disagree.

That's because you fundamentally don't understand religion. You think of religion as a mere social phenomenon, when it is the expression of true glory and truth.

[Ambarii]

I disagree.

That's because you fundamentally don't understand religion. You think of religion as a mere social phenomenon, when it is the expression of true glory and truth.

Define "religion" in this instance.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

I disagree.

That's because you fundamentally don't understand religion. You think of religion as a mere social phenomenon, when it is the expression of true glory and truth.

Would you care to elaborate on this statement?

[United Muscovite Nations]

That's because you fundamentally don't understand religion. You think of religion as a mere social phenomenon, when it is the expression of true glory and truth.

Define "religion" in this instance.

I should probably add this to my post, but I am describing the "in theory" of it; obviously, I don't think all religions are true. What I mean is that, if a religion is what it claims to be, the expression of the Truth, then changing it is ridiculous.

[United Muscovite Nations]

That's because you fundamentally don't understand religion. You think of religion as a mere social phenomenon, when it is the expression of true glory and truth.

Would you care to elaborate on this statement?

Religion claims ultimate, transcendent truth of the universe. If someone actually believes in a religion, then an attempt to change it would not be in good-faith.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

Would you care to elaborate on this statement?

Religion claims ultimate, transcendent truth of the universe. If someone actually believes in a religion, then an attempt to change it would not be in good-faith.

Fair enough.

[Germanic Scyths]

Alright, what kind of reformation that you all think Islam needs to be acceptable for the Western? Because I find it hard why it needs to be reformed just to be accepted.

It doesn't need reform. It either is compatible or not.

[Lady Scylla]

I disagree.

That's because you fundamentally don't understand religion. You think of religion as a mere social phenomenon, when it is the expression of true glory and truth.

I understand religion. I just think the rest is bullshit and fluff.

[Germanic Scyths]

That's because you fundamentally don't understand religion. You think of religion as a mere social phenomenon, when it is the expression of true glory and truth.

I understand religion. I just think the rest is bullshit and fluff.

And religious followers don't think so. That does not mean that it can be easily reformed, nor that religious people desire so.

[Lady Scylla]

I understand religion. I just think the rest is bullshit and fluff.

And religious followers don't think so. That does not mean that it can be easily reformed, nor that religious people desire so.

I'm aware they don't think so. I just dislike the notions of tradition, it's intrinsically archaic and backward, and the more conservative groups of religions are by far the most troublesome of this fact. If it can't be broken down, and pried apart to be utilised in a way that is functional and compatible, then it needs to be tossed aside.

[Germanic Scyths]

And religious followers don't think so. That does not mean that it can be easily reformed, nor that religious people desire so.

I'm aware they don't think so. I just dislike the notions of tradition, it's intrinsically archaic and backward, and the more conservative groups of religions are by far the most troublesome of this fact. If it can't be broken down, and pried apart to be utilised in a way that is functional and compatible, then it needs to be tossed aside.

So you are arguing for prying apart a religion?

[Lady Scylla]

I'm aware they don't think so. I just dislike the notions of tradition, it's intrinsically archaic and backward, and the more conservative groups of religions are by far the most troublesome of this fact. If it can't be broken down, and pried apart to be utilised in a way that is functional and compatible, then it needs to be tossed aside.

So you are arguing for prying apart a religion?

I'm arguing for their destruction if they cannot find a way to operate in modern society.

[Germanic Scyths]

So you are arguing for prying apart a religion?

I'm arguing for their destruction if they cannot find a way to operate in modern society.

No. Just no.

[Lady Scylla]

I'm arguing for their destruction if they cannot find a way to operate in modern society.

No. Just no.

And thus, the impasse. If Christians, or Muslims, or any other group can function in society in a way that doesn't get in the way of the State. I'm alright with it.

[Germanic Scyths]

No. Just no.

And thus, the impasse. If Christians, or Muslims, or any other group can function in society in a way that doesn't get in the way of the State. I'm alright with it.

The state not being Muslim is the problem

[Lady Scylla]

And thus, the impasse. If Christians, or Muslims, or any other group can function in society in a way that doesn't get in the way of the State. I'm alright with it.

The state not being Muslim is the problem

Yeah, I'm under the impression that theocracies should always be burned to the ground.

[United Muscovite Nations]

So you are arguing for prying apart a religion?

I'm arguing for their destruction if they cannot find a way to operate in modern society.

And I argue for the destruction of modern society if it cannot find a way to operate within the bounds of religious truth.

[Lady Scylla]

I'm arguing for their destruction if they cannot find a way to operate in modern society.

And I argue for the destruction of modern society if it cannot find a way to operate within the bounds of religious truth.

And there's the problem, and why such sentiments can't be allowed.

[United Muscovite Nations]

And I argue for the destruction of modern society if it cannot find a way to operate within the bounds of religious truth.

And there's the problem, and why such sentiments can't be allowed.

The modernist sentiments are the invading ones; they were the ones that attacked truth and replaced it with relativism. They're the ones that murder their unborn children, and claim that they have the "right" to ignore the suffering of others for their own personal benefit. When the modernists rose in France and Russia, we should have crushed them with no hesitation.

[Lorkhan]

Q: Is Islam compatible with western civilisation?

A: Western civilization as in the hyper amalgam begun by Alexander the Great, or western civilization as in 1000 years of warfare over dynastic succession and Christian sectarian differences?