Right Wing Discussion Thread IX: The Right Man's Burden

[Conserative Morality]

Relativism has been the cause of our decline. No longer is the American way superior, its merely different. No longer are they poor shitheaps because their culture sucks, they are exotic with a different way of life and "we shouldn't judge".

Is that why liberal internationalists are always whining about human rights in other countries? Because they think they shouldn't judge? You mistake the mask for the mission, TEM. By pretending to not care about things like what swill they drink we can infiltrate and change their culture in actually meaningful ways.

[Victoriala II]

We are referring to the American left, not fringe people like yourself. Your lot are in the dustbin.

R00d.

worry not, posadas shall return in psychic form. the gnostic landian-unconditional accelerationists are setting the path for total reconstitution of the world-system.

all you need to do is join, and pass towards the next phase of human understanding.

[Conserative Morality]

I maintain that the people who insist that interacting with other cultures lessens bigotry do so out of a nice resort and not slumming it. I mean, if you slum your way through fucking Egypt you'll end up hating everything about the place and its culture.

And slog your way through small ruined Appalachian towns and you'll learn to hate everything about this place and its culture.

But that doesn't mean that its culture is worth hating. It just means you've seen the worst of it.

[The East Marches II]

Relativism has been the cause of our decline. No longer is the American way superior, its merely different. No longer are they poor shitheaps because their culture sucks, they are exotic with a different way of life and "we shouldn't judge".

Is that why liberal internationalists are always whining about human rights in other countries? Because they think they shouldn't judge? You mistake the mask for the mission, TEM. By pretending to not care about things like what swill they drink we can infiltrate and change their culture in actually meaningful ways.

They really aren't. They only whine about human rights in my country. I've yet to see them do work abroad. They make excuses for shit cultures because they are brown and therefore don't know any better. They are a chronic weakness and do us no good.

[The East Marches II]

Operation Condor did what it was supposed to do. You method of playing nice has failed us. Internationalism failed. We are now on the backfoot facing a China which will surpass us in GDP and a Russia that can hold Europe hostage. Hobbes was a realist first and foremost. Thats what the article's point was. You still can't see past your blinders.

Yes and now most of South America, with the exception of a few countries, distrusts the US. The Marshall Plan worked better. Since I don't have time to argue the article with you note how it has terms like he liberalism and nation riddled through it several times. Realism appears once and in the last paragraph. It was solely about ideology.

Who cares if they distrust us? The Marshal plan hasn't worked any better. All we have now are useless strategic obligations who refuse to defend themselves and held hostages by second rate countries like Turkey. Its a disgusting state of affairs. We'd be better off if they were like South America. Poor, useless and not our concern.

[Improved werpland]

Is that why liberal internationalists are always whining about human rights in other countries? Because they think they shouldn't judge? You mistake the mask for the mission, TEM. By pretending to not care about things like what swill they drink we can infiltrate and change their culture in actually meaningful ways.

They really aren't. They only whine about human rights in my country. I've yet to see them do work abroad. They make excuses for shit cultures because they are brown and therefore don't know any better. They are a chronic weakness and do us no good.

NGOs serve American interests often. The Peace Corps used to be a CIA front.

I agree about relativism though. It's a shame that its become so popular among liberals.

[The East Marches II]

Obama was a naive fool who got taken for a ride because he was inclined to show mercy instead of finish the job. So much for the reset, so much for the pivot.

The reset was a poor choice but the pivot failed/was changed because of circumstances not poor choices unless you think the Arab Spring was a US conspiracy

The reset wasn't just a poor choice, it was a disaster. That is what happens when you fundamentally think that all cultures have some inherit value instead of recognizing a rotten one for what it is. The Russians don't understand negotiation, the only thing they understand is violence and the threat of violence. The Arab Spring didn't stop the pivot, it was Obama's unwillingness to play hardball. He thought violence and build ups something of the past. In effect, he drank the cool-aid.

[Improved werpland]

Yes and now most of South America, with the exception of a few countries, distrusts the US. The Marshall Plan worked better. Since I don't have time to argue the article with you note how it has terms like he liberalism and nation riddled through it several times. Realism appears once and in the last paragraph. It was solely about ideology.

Who cares if they distrust us? The Marshal plan hasn't worked any better. All we have now are useless strategic obligations who refuse to defend themselves and held hostages by second rate countries like Turkey. Its a disgusting state of affairs. We'd be better off if they were like South America. Poor, useless and not our concern.

Useless and trying to build another canal to the Pacific with the Chinese?

[Napkiraly]

15th-20th centuries*

>> 20th century
>> doing actual conquering

Pull the other one

Yes, imperialism continued in places such as Africa until the early 20th century. This of course does not include the granting of former German colonies to the victorious powers of WW1 among other instances of imperialism in the early 20th century.

And 15th century? Are you really including the discovery of the Americas in this? That's like two countries doing it until the 17th century.

Still meets the criteria and no, not just the Americas. The Portuguese for example conquered Goa in the early 1500's.

Puppet states. All of them. Really. Seriously. The Euros that sent the troops over did not control the resulting kingdoms.

I never stated otherwise. What they were however was conquering the local land and handing it over to European rulers. The Duke of Lower Lorraine did not puppet the local rulers, he straight up kicked them out and/or killed them.

"Im gunna convert a bunch of pagans by force lol and then let my empire split up when I die"

10/10 would found Western culture on his example

"I'm going to conquer a huge chunk of Europe and kick off the Reconquista".

... why Sweden?

You might be interested in learning about the Swedish Empire.

DELET THIS

With all seriousness, Rome tended to make puppet states first and then assimilate them later.

Rome pursued both policies, but then again so did the European powers during the Neo-Imperialist Era.

[The East Marches II]

Who cares if they distrust us? The Marshal plan hasn't worked any better. All we have now are useless strategic obligations who refuse to defend themselves and held hostages by second rate countries like Turkey. Its a disgusting state of affairs. We'd be better off if they were like South America. Poor, useless and not our concern.

Useless and trying to build another canal to the Pacific with the Chinese?

That project already died friendo. We already took the prime spot. Stupid Carter had to go all moralist and give the Canal back. That was a massive mistake too.

[Napkiraly]

I maintain that the people who insist that interacting with other cultures lessens bigotry do so out of a nice resort and not slumming it. I mean, if you slum your way through fucking Egypt you'll end up hating everything about the place and its culture.

And slog your way through small ruined Appalachian towns and you'll learn to hate everything about this place and its culture.

But that doesn't mean that its culture is worth hating. It just means you've seen the worst of it.

I can tell you right now I will take small town in the middle of nowhere America over Egypt any day of the week.

[The East Marches II]

R00d.

worry not, posadas shall return in psychic form. the gnostic landian-unconditional accelerationists are setting the path for total reconstitution of the world-system.

all you need to do is join, and pass towards the next phase of human understanding.

No, the Yugoslavian method of self-management is the only way.

[Napkiraly]

Since we are on the topic of Uncle Sam bashing foreign places, Manuel Noriega has died.

[The East Marches II]

Since we are on the topic of Uncle Sam bashing foreign place, Manuel Noriega has died.

It is a shame he fell to the dark side.

[Napkiraly]

Since we are on the topic of Uncle Sam bashing foreign place, Manuel Noriega has died.

It is a shame he fell to the dark side.

Imagine if we could have turned him into a right-wing hero. But alas, he embraced cocaine and therefore communism.

[Saiwania]

Noriega was a magnificent leader, he did a tremendous job with Panama. He shouldn't have been deposed.

[The East Marches II]

Noriega was a magnificent leader, he did a tremendous job with Panama. He shouldn't have been deposed.

Are you fucking with me? I can't tell with you so if its just memeing let me know.

[Napkiraly]

Noriega was a magnificent leader, he did a tremendous job with Panama. He shouldn't have been deposed.

Hardly, Noriega was a rabid dog that kept trying to bite the hand that fed him. To borrow a quote from Noriega after he had one of his rivals decapitated and stuffed in a bag, what does one do with a rabid dog?

[Bombadil]

Noriega was a magnificent leader, he did a tremendous job with Panama. He shouldn't have been deposed.

Hardly, Noriega was a rabid dog that kept trying to bite the hand that fed him. To borrow a quote from Noriega after he had one of his rivals decapitated and stuffed in a bag, what does one do with a rabid dog?

Not really a case of 'kept trying', he bit it, then he ate it and made his way up most of the arm before he was finally deposed.

[36 Camera Perspective]

In what sense do they have absolute control?

Same sense that any unelected rulers do.

Abolishing the government in favor of the free market would not be similar to the absolute control of unelected rulers. For one, unelected rulers tend to have a monopoly on power. If I live in North Korea and I hate my country's horrendous leadership, I have to tolerate them; I can't choose my ruler because the system I'm living in is undemocratic. In an anarcho-capitalist economy, such monopolies of power would not exist given the impossibility of any true monopoly having enough information to make rational economic decisions, a theoretical argument based on the socialist calculation problem devised by Mises. In the free market, I can choose a different health insurance provider. I can choose a different restaurant to eat at. Since private entities are executing the functions previously carried out by the state in order to make a profit, they are rationally motivated to service consumers. It's not like these private entities exist for no reason; if they're going to replace the government, they have to provide real services. Thus, I see no fear or even possibility (via Mises) of economic monopolies wielding absolute power in an anarcho-capitalist system, on the theoretical grounds that true economic monopolies are impossible, and on the practical grounds that private entities are rationally motivated to give consumers what they want.

[Republic of the Cristo]

Same sense that any unelected rulers do.

Abolishing the government in favor of the free market would not be similar to the absolute control of unelected rulers. For one, unelected rulers tend to have a monopoly on power. If I live in North Korea and I hate my country's horrendous leadership, I have to tolerate them; I can't choose my ruler because the system I'm living in is undemocratic. In an anarcho-capitalist economy, such monopolies of power would not exist given the impossibility of any true monopoly having enough information to make rational economic decisions, a theoretical argument based on the socialist calculation problem devised by Mises. In the free market, I can choose a different health insurance provider. I can choose a different restaurant to eat at. Since private entities are executing the functions previously carried out by the state in order to make a profit, they are rationally motivated to service consumers. It's not like these private entities exist for no reason; if they're going to replace the government, they have to provide real services. Thus, I see no fear or even possibility (via Mises) of economic monopolies wielding absolute power in an anarcho-capitalist system, on the theoretical grounds that true economic monopolies are impossible, and on the practical grounds that private entities are rationally motivated to give consumers what they want.

This all supposes that society is by and large acting rationally and in a manner which is economically sound... as we know, they for the most part don't. With no regulation and no fear of reprisal by the law and being free to do pretty much anything you want, consider for a moment what a business might do if faced by competition. If literally all tools are on the table, do you not think more than a few businesses would use murder and violence to drive out competition? Creating better and cheaper products, or providing better service is time consuming and can be costly - a well placed bomb in the store acrossed from you a cheap and very quick way of getting rid of competition. With no competition, consumers have no choice but to go to you. Competition will either not rise up, out of fear of violence, or will themselves become violent - essentially creating rival cartels.

In such a system were the biggest motivator is profit, and there is no state to stop you, true power only comes from two things: guns and dollars. And quite frankly, the guy with the gun is better off than the guy with the dollar.

[Conserative Morality]

I'm not racist but should we really be letting The Hun infiltrate the innermost regions of our great nation????

[Ashlak]

I'm not racist but should we really be letting The Hun infiltrate the innermost regions of our great nation????

>tfw predominantly German ancestry on father's side and predominantly English ancestry on my mother's
>tfw I realized my anglo mother was BRATWURSTED

The Kraut rapefugees have culturally enriched my bloodline. This is a demographic crisis, Anglo America is doomed lads.

[Darussalam]

I'm not racist but should we really be letting The Hun infiltrate the innermost regions of our great nation????

[New Rogernomics]

I'm not racist but should we really be letting The Hun infiltrate the innermost regions of our great nation????

It is too late! Even my bf is part German!