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by United Muscovite Nations » Sat May 20, 2017 6:33 pm
by Vazdania Rising » Sat May 20, 2017 9:49 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Hierarchy is inevitable in any large, complex society, as per the Iron Law.
yes. Thank you.by Kekonistan » Sun May 21, 2017 6:07 am
The Liberated Territories wrote:I don't think hierarchy is as rigid or natural as thought. It seems to me that hierarchy just forms spontaneously when needed in certain situations, like after a military captain dies during a battle, the lieutenant takes over instinctively in order. But in other situations, this lieutenant would perhaps follow others or not lead.
by Endless road » Mon May 22, 2017 5:47 am
by Conserative Morality » Mon May 22, 2017 5:55 am
Old Tyrannia wrote:I would argue that the fundamental problem with liberalism is rather that it emphasises the doctrine of inherent and inalienable rights, and therefore fails to balance rights with duties and obligations- which leads to a society of self-interested individuals working against one another rather than towards societal goals.
by Northern Davincia » Wed May 24, 2017 2:37 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:Old Tyrannia wrote:I would argue that the fundamental problem with liberalism is rather that it emphasises the doctrine of inherent and inalienable rights, and therefore fails to balance rights with duties and obligations- which leads to a society of self-interested individuals working against one another rather than towards societal goals.
Liberalism is all about rights and duties. You're thinking of libertarians.
Conserative Morality wrote:"Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Hoppe."
by New Visayan Islands » Wed May 24, 2017 4:19 pm
Kekonistan wrote:The Liberated Territories wrote:I don't think hierarchy is as rigid or natural as thought. It seems to me that hierarchy just forms spontaneously when needed in certain situations, like after a military captain dies during a battle, the lieutenant takes over instinctively in order. But in other situations, this lieutenant would perhaps follow others or not lead.
I don't think anyone here thinks that.
Rather it is a force of power that keeps hierarchy in check. Factors of push and pull, which individuals individually calculate. Psychological factors also play a role here, and personalities of individuals. Culture too, and this is why I think it would be good to have a sense of ''duty'' drilled into people, aside with liberty. As mentioned before.
by Northern Davincia » Wed May 24, 2017 5:08 pm
New Visayan Islands wrote:Kekonistan wrote:I don't think anyone here thinks that.
Rather it is a force of power that keeps hierarchy in check. Factors of push and pull, which individuals individually calculate. Psychological factors also play a role here, and personalities of individuals. Culture too, and this is why I think it would be good to have a sense of ''duty'' drilled into people, aside with liberty. As mentioned before.
Like Heinlein's novel, Starship Troopers?
Conserative Morality wrote:"Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Hoppe."
by Kekonistan » Thu May 25, 2017 2:32 am
New Visayan Islands wrote:Kekonistan wrote:I don't think anyone here thinks that.
Rather it is a force of power that keeps hierarchy in check. Factors of push and pull, which individuals individually calculate. Psychological factors also play a role here, and personalities of individuals. Culture too, and this is why I think it would be good to have a sense of ''duty'' drilled into people, aside with liberty. As mentioned before.
Like Heinlein's novel, Starship Troopers?
by The Liberated Territories » Thu May 25, 2017 7:33 am
by Diopolis » Thu May 25, 2017 12:31 pm
The Liberated Territories wrote:I don't think hierarchy is as rigid or natural as thought. It seems to me that hierarchy just forms spontaneously when needed in certain situations, like after a military captain dies during a battle, the lieutenant takes over instinctively in order. But in other situations, this lieutenant would perhaps follow others or not lead.
by The Sauganash Union » Thu May 25, 2017 1:48 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Hierarchy is inevitable in any large, complex society, as per the Iron Law.
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