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Was the Reformation a good thing?

1 - Yes.
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2 - Neutral.
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3 - No.
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Lady Scylla
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Postby Lady Scylla » Thu May 04, 2017 10:30 am

Northern Davincia wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Bitcoin is legendarily dumb, like some gold bugs got upset about fiat currency and decided to make a 'point' with their own currency which completely misses the point of fiat which was taken seriously and enthusiastically by economically illiterate online libertarians.

At least bitcoin has actual value.


Bitcoin is also used for illegal activity mostly, and can't be used in most real applications for day-to-day life. Crypto-currency in general is just stupid.

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Northern Davincia
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Postby Northern Davincia » Thu May 04, 2017 10:32 am

Lady Scylla wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:At least bitcoin has actual value.


Bitcoin is also used for illegal activity mostly, and can't be used in most real applications for day-to-day life. Crypto-currency in general is just stupid.

Paper currency is also used for illegal activity, y'know.
As for real-life applications, that is changing swiftly as more people are aware of bitcoin's existence.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu May 04, 2017 10:32 am

Lady Scylla wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:At least bitcoin has actual value.


Bitcoin is also used for illegal activity mostly, and can't be used in most real applications for day-to-day life. Crypto-currency in general is just stupid.


Just you wait, one day you'll be able to buy anything from meth to machine guns to McDonald's with Bitcoin.

It's obviously the future.
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Lady Scylla
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Postby Lady Scylla » Thu May 04, 2017 10:34 am

Northern Davincia wrote:
Lady Scylla wrote:
Bitcoin is also used for illegal activity mostly, and can't be used in most real applications for day-to-day life. Crypto-currency in general is just stupid.

Paper currency is also used for illegal activity, y'know.
As for real-life applications, that is changing swiftly as more people are aware of bitcoin's existence.


Well, at least I can get satisfaction knowing that my dollar was probably used to snort coke at some point. The only thing bitcoin deserves is a swift death.

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Lady Scylla
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Postby Lady Scylla » Thu May 04, 2017 10:35 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Lady Scylla wrote:
Bitcoin is also used for illegal activity mostly, and can't be used in most real applications for day-to-day life. Crypto-currency in general is just stupid.


Just you wait, one day you'll be able to buy anything from meth to machine guns to McDonald's with Bitcoin.

It's obviously the future.


Can't forget the human trafficking and illegal data dumps.

Regular currency, while it is also used for illegal activity, is predominantly used for legal activity. That can't be said of bitcoin, and the Fed among other governments should move to crack down on such currencies.
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Grand Britannia
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Postby Grand Britannia » Thu May 04, 2017 10:37 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Grand Britannia wrote:
Me.

Monarchs need to be able to reproduce, sorry.


>Implying I wouldnt want the Prince-Electors of the 50 states to pick the next heir

wew
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Lady Scylla
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Postby Lady Scylla » Thu May 04, 2017 10:39 am

Grand Britannia wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Monarchs need to be able to reproduce, sorry.


>Implying I wouldnt want the Prince-Electors of the 50 states to pick the next heir

wew


Just say you've Divine Right and rule absolutely.

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Washington Resistance Army
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu May 04, 2017 10:39 am

Lady Scylla wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Just you wait, one day you'll be able to buy anything from meth to machine guns to McDonald's with Bitcoin.

It's obviously the future.


Can't forget the human trafficking and illegal data dumps.

Regular currency, while it is also used for illegal activity, is predominantly used for legal activity. That can't be said of bitcoin, and the Fed among other governments should move to crack down on such currencies.


How would they even crack down on that? Doesn't seem very feasible.
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Danceria
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Postby Danceria » Thu May 04, 2017 10:41 am

Lady Scylla wrote:
Grand Britannia wrote:
>Implying I wouldnt want the Prince-Electors of the 50 states to pick the next heir

wew


Just say you've Divine Right and rule absolutely.

Heck off, I'm trying to create a royal marriage here...
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Me.

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If they are opposite genders, and are wedded, then this takes care of @United Muscovite Nation's issue.

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Lady Scylla
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Postby Lady Scylla » Thu May 04, 2017 10:43 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Lady Scylla wrote:
Can't forget the human trafficking and illegal data dumps.

Regular currency, while it is also used for illegal activity, is predominantly used for legal activity. That can't be said of bitcoin, and the Fed among other governments should move to crack down on such currencies.


How would they even crack down on that? Doesn't seem very feasible.


Hm. That's actually a good question. I'm not sure.

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Conserative Morality
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu May 04, 2017 11:33 am

Northern Davincia wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Bitcoin is legendarily dumb, like some gold bugs got upset about fiat currency and decided to make a 'point' with their own currency which completely misses the point of fiat which was taken seriously and enthusiastically by economically illiterate online libertarians.

At least bitcoin has actual value.

Thanks for proving my point.
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Northern Davincia
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Postby Northern Davincia » Thu May 04, 2017 3:25 pm

Lady Scylla wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Just you wait, one day you'll be able to buy anything from meth to machine guns to McDonald's with Bitcoin.

It's obviously the future.


Can't forget the human trafficking and illegal data dumps.

Regular currency, while it is also used for illegal activity, is predominantly used for legal activity. That can't be said of bitcoin, and the Fed among other governments should move to crack down on such currencies.

Do you have a source proving that bitcoin is predominately used in illegal activities? Why get rid of it when it is becoming more commonplace?
One should be mortified of regular currency when you realize that the federal reserve has more influence than the treasury on the value of money.
Conserative Morality wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:At least bitcoin has actual value.

Thanks for proving my point.

Foiled again. I guess I'll have to go back to using my worthless wads of paper.
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Mattopilos II
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Postby Mattopilos II » Fri May 05, 2017 1:17 am

Lady Scylla wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
How would they even crack down on that? Doesn't seem very feasible.


Hm. That's actually a good question. I'm not sure.


That be the largest problem with it, and the reason that crime can be committed with said currency so well.
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Kekonistan
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Postby Kekonistan » Fri May 05, 2017 2:52 am

Paper money has value because we use it in a way to trade good.

''Actual value'' is a bit arbitrary imho.
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Zkobrya
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Postby Zkobrya » Fri May 05, 2017 3:17 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:How would they even crack down on that? Doesn't seem very feasible.

The NSA tries to monitor Tor, making bitcoin harder to use. Smarter users can probably get around it though.
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Personally, I like bitcoin, since it allows the CIA to readily give money to people of interest over the internet using the system it developed (Tor) gives freedom to the way people purchase things with their hard-earned money with minimal government influence. Who needs a nanny state?

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Mattopilos II
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Postby Mattopilos II » Fri May 05, 2017 3:38 am

Kekonistan wrote:Paper money has value because we use it in a way to trade good.

''Actual value'' is a bit arbitrary imho.


Pretty much anything we place value in has value because we place value in it... so yeah
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Fri May 05, 2017 3:45 am

Never really had much interest in buttcoin. Made a few early adopters very rich, novelty wore off, didn't catch on much outside of fraudsters, drug dealers and the sorts of people who wear tinfoil hats to avoid government mind control.
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The Liberated Territories
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Fri May 05, 2017 6:28 am

We should have a system where multiple currencies are allowed, so you can use whatever currency you wish. So if you like gold, bitcoin etc. theyd all have equal status to the national currency.
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Danceria
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Postby Danceria » Fri May 05, 2017 6:44 am

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The Sauganash Union
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Postby The Sauganash Union » Fri May 05, 2017 11:20 am

Conscentia wrote:
The Sauganash Union wrote:"Sauganash" literally means "Anglo-Saxon" in a Native American language.

I haven't been able to find any indication of that. The word itself certainly doesn't seem to indicate so. According to Wikipedia it means "English-speaker", and Wiktionary says it derives from the French word for "English" ("Anglais").


The most common use of the name is a neighborhood in Chicago called Sauganash. It is named so after Bill Caldwell, who was nicknamed "Chief Sauganash", which means "Chief Englishman", as he was the son of a British army officer and a Potawatomi mother. Caldwell is significant for being a mediator between the Anglo/Americans and the Indians.

http://sauganashchamber.org/about-us/history/

So my gathering is that "Sauganash" means "Englishman", and given that it could be derived from the French word "Anglais" (which means Anglo and is in line with the French habit of calling Englishmen "Anglo-Saxons"), I extrapolated that it probably just meant "Anglo-Saxon". But for the purposes of politics, it might as well be a synonym of "Englishman".
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Postby Germanic Templars » Fri May 05, 2017 4:41 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:We should have a system where multiple currencies are allowed, so you can use whatever currency you wish. So if you like gold, bitcoin etc. theyd all have equal status to the national currency.


>gold
>bitcoin
>nation currency

pick one, and only one!

I mean I just got done with taking macroeconomics and the idea you proposed is rather lacking in many departments, mainly in the financial parts.

That is just like saying that if I want to use the British pound because I like it, it should be as much as the US dollar.

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Postby Saikaya » Fri May 05, 2017 4:46 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:We should have a system where multiple currencies are allowed, so you can use whatever currency you wish. So if you like gold, bitcoin etc. theyd all have equal status to the national currency.

Have you taken a class in economics?
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Postby Questers » Fri May 05, 2017 5:25 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:We should have a system where multiple currencies are allowed, so you can use whatever currency you wish. So if you like gold, bitcoin etc. theyd all have equal status to the national currency.
You already can use whatever currency you wish. The question is whether people will take it. Legal tenders are currencies which people can not refuse in payment of a debt, not "the money what you is allowed to use 'ere."
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Postby The East Marches II » Sat May 06, 2017 5:29 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:Maybe it's time for us liberal 'elitists' to become the enemy the rust belt and Midwest thinks we are anyway.

Instead of letting them fade into obscurity and tossing them token assistance in compromises, we should grind their noses into the dirt. Complete economic warfare. Destroy these people's livelihoods the way they've spent decades voting for our's to be destroyed. Best part is, we can do it while strengthening the national economy. All we have to do is push what's already the wave of the future - automation over worker's rights.

What do you think, RWDT, about this new vision of your enemy?


Your lot don't have the guts to make such a ballsy play or the stomach for it. This is the same crowd that couldn't even act tough on the Ivans, much less they will be willing to do it at home.

Conserative Morality wrote:You're kidding, right? Illinois is the only part of the Midwest we'd need to keep, and Chicago basically guarantees that since Chicago is both:

A. Huge

B. Not dependent on dying industries


A. That is correct

B. 110% wrong

We are having huge money outflow issues and the number of high school students going to university out of state and university graduates staying in IL is plummeting. Most are going to WI, ID or some other state with an actual future. The Mayor of Chicago had to give a speech begging them not to leave. IL's tax base is just leaving. The other states aren't losing population (not growing much either) Why stay in a dying state? Part of the reason WI flipped red is IL refugees. They tend to be middle class suburb types who vote Republican.

Lady Scylla wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Just you wait, one day you'll be able to buy anything from meth to machine guns to McDonald's with Bitcoin.

It's obviously the future.


Can't forget the human trafficking and illegal data dumps.

Regular currency, while it is also used for illegal activity, is predominantly used for legal activity. That can't be said of bitcoin, and the Fed among other governments should move to crack down on such currencies.


There have been people proposing unironically to ban paper currency inorder to combat illegal activities. It is not only stupid but economically doesn't make much sense. Bitcoin is allowed leeway because it gets Chinese money to the States without a big tax being put on it. It even has a strategic use for the US. Now I wouldn't say that we should not have a national currency by any means but bitcoin does have an important role to play.

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Postby Hakons » Sat May 06, 2017 8:00 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:If the United States were to have a Constitutional Convention and select a monarch, what dynasty should be made the reigning dynasty? Washingtons? Jeffersons? Roosevelts?


We already have a King. :p

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