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Luminesa wrote:

United Muscovite Nations wrote:I seem to recall you pretty directly insulting her with words that shouldn't be repeated on the Abrahamic skype chat.

Not really part of the convo itself, but thank you. My concern was more with the lack of self-awareness regarding his complaints against Catholicism and Orthodoxy.

-Jochistan- wrote:

The Parkus Empire wrote:I am not so concerned about secular same sex marriage if that sort of thing is what you mean. Though we shouldn't chide other countries for not having it.

Well that's good. Not necessarily asking for the acts to be accepted as non sinful even.

Just that homosexuals and trans people aren't viewed as bad people that need to be suppressed in some way.

The Parkus Empire wrote:

-Jochistan- wrote:Well that's not what I'm fucking saying.

I'm saying that Traditionalist Christians are elitist and sectarian. Focusing on the Catholic and Orthodox Churches in particular.

I never extended it to all Christians. I never even directed it at you. So you can stop being insanely defensive for no reason.

What you mean is we aren't open to modernism in our faith. Which is true. Although calling traditionalism "elitist" is not necessarily apt.

United Muscovite Nations wrote:

-Jochistan- wrote:Well that's not what I'm fucking saying.

I'm saying that Traditionalist Christians are elitist and sectarian. Focusing on the Catholic and Orthodox Churches in particular.

I never extended it to all Christians. I never even directed it at you. So you can stop being insanely defensive for no reason.

I seem to recall you pretty directly insulting her with words that shouldn't be repeated on the Abrahamic skype chat.

-Jochistan- wrote:

United Muscovite Nations wrote:I seem to recall you pretty directly insulting her with words that shouldn't be repeated on the Abrahamic skype chat.

I was very drunk and pissed about something else.

I already apologized profusely for that, it was irresponsible and needlessly cruel.

Luminesa wrote:

-Jochistan- wrote:>Conservatives using the work of a Neo Vedantist Progressive to attack Religious Progressives
Lol

> Using terms like “Neo-Vedantist” which most people don’t know or understand.
> Accuse Catholics and Orthodox of being “elitist”.

Okay. Sure.

-Jochistan- wrote:

The Parkus Empire wrote:
What you mean is we aren't open to modernism in our faith. Which is true. Although calling traditionalism "elitist" is not necessarily apt.

The view that modernism in itself is bad is understandable. I myself subscribed to that point of view. And still believe that modernism has brought with it harmful qualities and modernity as a whole is awful.

But distancing oneself from it so much that you start wanting to actually go back in time to the idealized vision of Medieval Europe is a bit much.

War Gears wrote:

Luminesa wrote:> Using terms like “Neo-Vedantist” which most people don’t know or understand.
> Accuse Catholics and Orthodox of being “elitist”.

Okay. Sure.

"Neo-Vedantist" is literally just the name of a religion. There's nothing particularly esoteric or elitist about knowing it's name.

Luminesa wrote:

War Gears wrote:
"Neo-Vedantist" is literally just the name of a religion. There's nothing particularly esoteric or elitist about knowing it's name.

If he had just said “Neo-Hindu” that would have been enough. I mean, I’m not stupid, I just didn’t know what he was talking about.

War Gears wrote:

-Jochistan- wrote:The view that modernism in itself is bad is understandable. I myself subscribed to that point of view. And still believe that modernism has brought with it harmful qualities and modernity as a whole is awful.

But distancing oneself from it so much that you start wanting to actually go back in time to the idealized vision of Medieval Europe is a bit much.

The Futurists were pretty rad though.

War Gears wrote:

Luminesa wrote:If he had just said “Neo-Hindu” that would have been enough. I mean, I’m not stupid, I just didn’t know what he was talking about.

"Neo-Hindu" would not be particularly accurate and would leave room for confusion. Hare Krishna could be considered "Neo-Hindu," and they hate everything related to Vedanta. So Jochi was accurate to call it "Neo-Vedanta." it's not a matter of anyone being stupid, he's just being specific.

Herskerstad wrote:Putting up a delicious new thread.

Luminesa wrote:

Herskerstad wrote:Putting up a delicious new thread.

Didja post the link yet?

The Parkus Empire wrote:

War Gears wrote:
The Futurists were pretty rad though.

Futurism is the most evil, anti human movement in art to this date.

Our mind, which is the supreme manifestation of organized living matter, accompanies matter itself in all its transformations, preserving in its new forms the sensations of its past and the subtle vibrations of the energy previously expended. The divinity and individual continuity of the willful, all-powerful mind must be externalized in order to change the world. That is the only religion.

United Muscovite Nations wrote:

-Jochistan- wrote:I was very drunk and pissed about something else.

I already apologized profusely for that, it was irresponsible and needlessly cruel.

And that's to your credit, but lack of civility is a long-standing pattern of behavior for you. You used to brag when we first met about how you loved pushing people's buttons to see how mad you could make them before they would ban you.

United Muscovite Nations wrote:

-Jochistan- wrote:I was very drunk and pissed about something else.

I already apologized profusely for that, it was irresponsible and needlessly cruel.

And that's to your credit, but lack of civility is a long-standing pattern of behavior for you. You used to brag when we first met about how you loved pushing people's buttons to see how mad you could make them before they would ban you.

War Gears wrote:

The Parkus Empire wrote:Futurism is the most evil, anti human movement in art to this date.

Yes, yes, I don't care.

Our mind, which is the supreme manifestation of organized living matter, accompanies matter itself in all its transformations, preserving in its new forms the sensations of its past and the subtle vibrations of the energy previously expended. The divinity and individual continuity of the willful, all-powerful mind must be externalized in order to change the world. That is the only religion.

The Parkus Empire wrote:

War Gears wrote:
The Futurists were pretty rad though.

Futurism is the most evil, anti human movement in art to this date.

-Jochistan- wrote:

United Muscovite Nations wrote:And that's to your credit, but lack of civility is a long-standing pattern of behavior for you. You used to brag when we first met about how you loved pushing people's buttons to see how mad you could make them before they would ban you.

I still like doing that haha

But I do normally have standards and only mess with ultraliberals and hard right zealots.
Then I was just drunk, confused and pissed off. It was not a good time.

-Jochistan- wrote:

The Parkus Empire wrote:Futurism is the most evil, anti human movement in art to this date.

I don't mind it.

The Parkus Empire wrote:

-Jochistan- wrote:I don't mind it.

Then you probably attach no moral value to art.

The Parkus Empire wrote:

-Jochistan- wrote:I don't mind it.

Then you probably attach no moral value to art.

The Parkus Empire wrote:

War Gears wrote:
Yes, yes, I don't care.

Little surprise egoism and fascism were their defining ideologies.