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Was the Reformation a good thing?

1 - Yes.
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2 - Neutral.
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3 - No.
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The East Marches II
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Postby The East Marches II » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:15 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
The Portland Territory wrote:Again, dont care. Whether they are violent or not, they broke the law and that's that

I wonder how many laws you've broken over the course of your life?


>breaking the law
>ever

Mountain people everyone

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Postby Conserative Morality » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:16 pm

The East Marches II wrote:What does one do with those who can not be rehabilitated?

Isolation from society.
The Portland Territory wrote:Not that many, actually. With the exception of seat belts, hate those damn things. But the punishment is a fine, not jail time, is it not?

Doesn't matter. You broke the law, and that's that. We need to change the law to punish you permanently for flaunting the law because of your own petty personal preferences.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:16 pm

The East Marches II wrote:>breaking the law
>ever

Mountain people everyone

Mountain people know all about the weird local laws that have never been repealed.

>> tfw you can't curse around flowers
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Postby Albrenia » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:16 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
The Portland Territory wrote:Again, dont care. Whether they are violent or not, they broke the law and that's that

I wonder how many laws you've broken over the course of your life?


His sig says he's 16, so probably none which actually carry punishments of any meaning to a minor.

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Postby The East Marches II » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:17 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:What does one do with those who can not be rehabilitated?

Isolation from society.


In other news CM found at agree with Justice Kennedy

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Postby Conserative Morality » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:17 pm

Albrenia wrote:His sig says he's 16, so probably none which actually carry punishments of any meaning to a minor.

Doesn't matter. Like he said, doesn't matter if they're violent or not, break the law, and that's that.
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Postby The Portland Territory » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:18 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:What does one do with those who can not be rehabilitated?

Isolation from society.
The Portland Territory wrote:Not that many, actually. With the exception of seat belts, hate those damn things. But the punishment is a fine, not jail time, is it not?

Doesn't matter. You broke the law, and that's that. We need to change the law to punish you permanently for flaunting the law because of your own petty personal preferences.

Know that really doesnt discredit my argument. Each law has it's own set punishment, not all are the same.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:20 pm

The Portland Territory wrote:Know that really doesnt discredit my argument. Each law has it's own set punishment, not all are the same.

And clearly the laws against not wearing seatbelts isn't harsh enough since you openly admit to ignoring them.
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Postby Senkaku » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:21 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Senkaku wrote:>"strong guiding hand"
>lets Heshen steal gazillions

:thinkingemoji:

>executes people for insufficient mourning

*teleports son outside of line of succession* (for drinking with friends)
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The Portland Territory wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:... where they are exposed to actual criminal elements. Bravo.

Don't care. Lock them up for a lifetime. Point is to keep them off the streets, not catch and release

And eventually we'll all be in prison.

The Portland Territory wrote:I see Prohibitions in a different light than basically everybody else

Pro tip: if literally everyone else disagrees with your interpretation of a historical event ("Prohibition worked", "the Holocaust didn't happen", whatever it may be), you're probably just fucking wrong.

Conserative Morality wrote:
Senkaku wrote:oh I've met some Marines ;)

>> claiming to have met Marines
>> advocating living with Marines and having alcohol

No, I was contrasting the strength of my views on whichever amendment the quartering troops one is and on Prohibition. Not advocating that everyone live with soldiers and get shitfaced. :p

The Marines I've met have been a good time, anyways.
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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:24 pm

Remember, prohibition worked*.

*In the sense that people were not legally buying alcohol any more, not in the sense that it made them stop drinking it.
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Postby Senkaku » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:24 pm

Proctopeo wrote:Remember, prohibition worked*.

*In the sense that people were not legally buying alcohol any more, not in the sense that it made them stop drinking it.

nice
agreed honey. send bees

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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:25 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Remember, prohibition worked*.

*In the sense that people were not legally buying alcohol any more, not in the sense that it made them stop drinking it.

nice

8)
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Postby Senkaku » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:25 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
The Portland Territory wrote:Know that really doesnt discredit my argument. Each law has it's own set punishment, not all are the same.

And clearly the laws against not wearing seatbelts isn't harsh enough since you openly admit to ignoring them.

Tell me, Portland, would you prefer life in prison or immediate execution for your failure to comply with seatbelt statutes?
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:26 pm

Senkaku wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:>executes people for insufficient mourning

*teleports son outside of line of succession* (for drinking with friends)
"Psht, nothing personal, kid."

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Postby The Portland Territory » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:31 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
The Portland Territory wrote:Know that really doesnt discredit my argument. Each law has it's own set punishment, not all are the same.

And clearly the laws against not wearing seatbelts isn't harsh enough since you openly admit to ignoring them.

> not realizing I dont see punishments as a means to deter crime, despite me quite clearly stating it

kek, youre trying to use my argument against me even though it's not even my argument
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16 year old Monarchist from Rhode Island. Interested in economics, governance, metaphysical philosophy, European + Near Eastern history, vexillology, faith, hunting, automotive, ranching, science fiction, music, and anime.

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Postby Senkaku » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:32 pm

The Portland Territory wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:And clearly the laws against not wearing seatbelts isn't harsh enough since you openly admit to ignoring them.

> not realizing I dont see punishments as a means to deter crime, despite me quite clearly stating it

kek, youre trying to use my argument against me even though it's not even my argument

that's funny because uh

The Portland Territory wrote:The War on Drugs and even Prohibition were failures because society was for the substances, but also that punishments weren't tough enough.
agreed honey. send bees

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Postby The Portland Territory » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:32 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:And clearly the laws against not wearing seatbelts isn't harsh enough since you openly admit to ignoring them.

Tell me, Portland, would you prefer life in prison or immediate execution for your failure to comply with seatbelt statutes?

Life in Prison. Is it not better to live life in eternal suffering, than not live at all? Not to mention, asking for execution is a coward's way out
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16 year old Monarchist from Rhode Island. Interested in economics, governance, metaphysical philosophy, European + Near Eastern history, vexillology, faith, hunting, automotive, ranching, science fiction, music, and anime.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:33 pm

The Portland Territory wrote:> not realizing I dont see punishments as a means to deter crime, despite me quite clearly stating it

kek, youre trying to use my argument against me even though it's not even my argument

"Th-they broke the law but I'm different!"

Pathetic. Life in prison would be a net gain for society so we don't have to hear this swill.
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Postby Senkaku » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:34 pm

The Portland Territory wrote:
Senkaku wrote:Tell me, Portland, would you prefer life in prison or immediate execution for your failure to comply with seatbelt statutes?

Life in Prison. Is it not better to live life in eternal suffering, than not live at all? Not to mention, asking for execution is a coward's way out

Cool. DHS will henceforth begin the indefinite detention of all people caught without their seatbelts on a national level, either until everyone wears a seatbelt or everyone is in jail.
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Postby The Portland Territory » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:34 pm

Senkaku wrote:
The Portland Territory wrote:> not realizing I dont see punishments as a means to deter crime, despite me quite clearly stating it

kek, youre trying to use my argument against me even though it's not even my argument

that's funny because uh

The Portland Territory wrote:The War on Drugs and even Prohibition were failures because society was for the substances, but also that punishments weren't tough enough.

it actually is quite hilarious because

The Portland Territory wrote:To me, Prohibitions aren't meant to deter people away from the substance. But rather to get the user and provider off the street and away from the people.
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16 year old Monarchist from Rhode Island. Interested in economics, governance, metaphysical philosophy, European + Near Eastern history, vexillology, faith, hunting, automotive, ranching, science fiction, music, and anime.

Pro: Absolute Monarchy, Lex Rex, Subsidiarity, Guild Capitalism, Property Rights, Tridentine Catholicism, Unlimited Gun Rights, Hierarchy, Traditionalism, Ethnic Nationalism, Irredentism
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Postby Zohiania » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:35 pm

This topic seems more for a religious thread rather than the rightwing discussion thread
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Postby Albrenia » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:36 pm

Zohiania wrote:This topic seems more for a religious thread rather than the rightwing discussion thread


The religious voting bloc heavily falls in the right wing, usually.

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Postby The Portland Territory » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:36 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
The Portland Territory wrote:> not realizing I dont see punishments as a means to deter crime, despite me quite clearly stating it

kek, youre trying to use my argument against me even though it's not even my argument

"Th-they broke the law but I'm different!"

Pathetic. Life in prison would be a net gain for society so we don't have to hear this swill.

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16 year old Monarchist from Rhode Island. Interested in economics, governance, metaphysical philosophy, European + Near Eastern history, vexillology, faith, hunting, automotive, ranching, science fiction, music, and anime.

Pro: Absolute Monarchy, Lex Rex, Subsidiarity, Guild Capitalism, Property Rights, Tridentine Catholicism, Unlimited Gun Rights, Hierarchy, Traditionalism, Ethnic Nationalism, Irredentism
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Postby The East Marches II » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:37 pm

Albrenia wrote:
Zohiania wrote:This topic seems more for a religious thread rather than the rightwing discussion thread


The religious voting bloc heavily falls in the right wing, usually.


Rather, good honest Protestants are forced to co-exist with the Orthodox here.

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Postby The Portland Territory » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:37 pm

Senkaku wrote:
The Portland Territory wrote:Life in Prison. Is it not better to live life in eternal suffering, than not live at all? Not to mention, asking for execution is a coward's way out

Cool. DHS will henceforth begin the indefinite detention of all people caught without their seatbelts on a national level, either until everyone wears a seatbelt or everyone is in jail.

If that's it, then so be it. If it's the law, it's the law. I would make sure to wear a seatbelt more. Crime deference is a side effect of increased punsihments
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16 year old Monarchist from Rhode Island. Interested in economics, governance, metaphysical philosophy, European + Near Eastern history, vexillology, faith, hunting, automotive, ranching, science fiction, music, and anime.

Pro: Absolute Monarchy, Lex Rex, Subsidiarity, Guild Capitalism, Property Rights, Tridentine Catholicism, Unlimited Gun Rights, Hierarchy, Traditionalism, Ethnic Nationalism, Irredentism
Mixed: Fascism, Anarcho Capitalism, Donald Trump
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