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Was the Reformation a good thing?

1 - Yes.
151
52%
2 - Neutral.
76
26%
3 - No.
66
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The One True Benxboro Empire
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Postby The One True Benxboro Empire » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:17 pm

Frislant wrote:
Bergstedt wrote:Ah yes, the Anglo and his clever ways.

Excuse me Mr. Swede.

I don't see any problems there.
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Postby Husseinarti » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:19 pm

Sweden used to be super cool and kinda fucking scary tbh.

In World War Two, by the end of 1941 they had a 700,000 man army. Which doesn't sound like much considering the like 12+ million US troops and like 2000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 million Russian troops, but that 700,000 was 11% of the like 6~ million Swedish nation and they did this while neutral. This 700,000 man army could field 10 Infantry divisions, a number of tank brigades (With 750~ tanks in total inventory) over 1,600 combat aircraft and allot of other good shit. The army was a force to be reckoned with and it was one of the reasons why nobody wanted to fuck with them. It just wouldn't have been worth it to go and fight the Swedes on their turf with they had all the terrain expertise and will to fight like the Finns, but also had a huge and robust as fuck military industrial complex to back their troops up with gear, somethings the Finns lacked.

And now look what happened.

Its tragic af.
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Postby 36 Camera Perspective » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:19 pm

Conscentia wrote:
36 Camera Perspective wrote:[...] The idea of methodological subjectivism undercuts left-wing notions of class oppression, [...]

Do you mean methodological individualism? Could you elaborate?


Yes, that's what I mean. It seems that under methodological individualism, you can't speak of oppressive classes acting on oppressed classes like Marxist theorists regularly do in their literature.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:20 pm

The One True Benxboro Empire wrote:

I don't see any problems there.

It's incredible heresy and blasphemy. Fortunately, the "Church of Sweden" is Anathema.
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Postby Republic of the Cristo » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:22 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
The One True Benxboro Empire wrote:I don't see any problems there.

It's incredible heresy and blasphemy. Fortunately, the "Church of Sweden" is Anathema.


He was being sarcastic
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The One True Benxboro Empire
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Postby The One True Benxboro Empire » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:22 pm

Husseinarti wrote:Sweden used to be super cool and kinda fucking scary tbh.

In World War Two, by the end of 1941 they had a 700,000 man army. Which doesn't sound like much considering the like 12+ million US troops and like 2000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 million Russian troops, but that 700,000 was 11% of the like 6~ million Swedish nation and they did this while neutral. This 700,000 man army could field 10 Infantry divisions, a number of tank brigades (With 750~ tanks in total inventory) over 1,600 combat aircraft and allot of other good shit. The army was a force to be reckoned with and it was one of the reasons why nobody wanted to fuck with them. It just wouldn't have been worth it to go and fight the Swedes on their turf with they had all the terrain expertise and will to fight like the Finns, but also had a huge and robust as fuck military industrial complex to back their troops up with gear, somethings the Finns lacked.

And now look what happened.

Its tragic af.

Soviets had half as many men as we did by the last year of the war.
United Muscovite Nations wrote:
The One True Benxboro Empire wrote:I don't see any problems there.

It's incredible heresy and blasphemy. Fortunately, the "Church of Sweden" is Anathema.

Why am I imagining leading an army of crusaders to conduct a rapey conquest all of a sudden...Must have been playing this nation too long.
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Skyhooked wrote:They are Owrellian already. Only thing, instead of screens there are preachers.

Karamiko wrote:They don't actually believe the things they say or do, they're just doing it to show how terrible theocracies are.

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Postby Bergstedt » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:53 pm

The One True Benxboro Empire wrote:

I don't see any problems there.

You cannot profess a belief in Christianity while claiming to be homosexual or whatever have you.
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United Muscovite Nations
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:55 pm

Bergstedt wrote:
The One True Benxboro Empire wrote:I don't see any problems there.

You cannot profess a belief in Christianity while claiming to be homosexual or whatever have you.

Sure you can. You ought to stop practicing homosexuality, but the orientation itself is simply a struggle that a pious Christian may endure as he or she tries to stay true to God.
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Iengal
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Postby Iengal » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:56 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Bergstedt wrote:You cannot profess a belief in Christianity while claiming to be homosexual or whatever have you.

Sure you can. You ought to stop practicing homosexuality, but the orientation itself is simply a struggle that a pious Christian may endure as he or she tries to stay true to God.


dude he was sarcastic

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The One True Benxboro Empire
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Postby The One True Benxboro Empire » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:59 pm

Anyways I wonder what draws me to this nation specifically. Guess it's the exoticism of a (caesaropapist? theocratic?) monarchy like this one that is so intriguing, like the ideas of black sambos with 900 gorillion-inch penises were to racist scum in the old days.
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Skyhooked wrote:They are Owrellian already. Only thing, instead of screens there are preachers.

Karamiko wrote:They don't actually believe the things they say or do, they're just doing it to show how terrible theocracies are.

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Postby Old Tyrannia » Wed Apr 12, 2017 2:07 pm

Husseinarti wrote:Sweden used to be super cool and kinda fucking scary tbh.

In World War Two, by the end of 1941 they had a 700,000 man army. Which doesn't sound like much considering the like 12+ million US troops and like 2000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 million Russian troops, but that 700,000 was 11% of the like 6~ million Swedish nation and they did this while neutral. This 700,000 man army could field 10 Infantry divisions, a number of tank brigades (With 750~ tanks in total inventory) over 1,600 combat aircraft and allot of other good shit. The army was a force to be reckoned with and it was one of the reasons why nobody wanted to fuck with them. It just wouldn't have been worth it to go and fight the Swedes on their turf with they had all the terrain expertise and will to fight like the Finns, but also had a huge and robust as fuck military industrial complex to back their troops up with gear, somethings the Finns lacked.

And now look what happened.

Its tragic af.

As I recall, Sweden very nearly had its own independent nuclear deterrent, too. The 20th century saw Sweden fall a very long way.
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Postby Conscentia » Wed Apr 12, 2017 2:08 pm

36 Camera Perspective wrote:
Conscentia wrote:Do you mean methodological individualism? Could you elaborate?

Yes, that's what I mean. It seems that under methodological individualism, you can't speak of oppressive classes acting on oppressed classes like Marxist theorists regularly do in their literature.

Why not?

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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Apr 12, 2017 2:09 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:It's incredible heresy and blasphemy. Fortunately, the "Church of Sweden" is Anathema.

Yes, yes, good, fight amongst yourselves. *twirls godless mustache*
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Postby Bergstedt » Wed Apr 12, 2017 2:10 pm

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Husseinarti wrote:Sweden used to be super cool and kinda fucking scary tbh.

In World War Two, by the end of 1941 they had a 700,000 man army. Which doesn't sound like much considering the like 12+ million US troops and like 2000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 million Russian troops, but that 700,000 was 11% of the like 6~ million Swedish nation and they did this while neutral. This 700,000 man army could field 10 Infantry divisions, a number of tank brigades (With 750~ tanks in total inventory) over 1,600 combat aircraft and allot of other good shit. The army was a force to be reckoned with and it was one of the reasons why nobody wanted to fuck with them. It just wouldn't have been worth it to go and fight the Swedes on their turf with they had all the terrain expertise and will to fight like the Finns, but also had a huge and robust as fuck military industrial complex to back their troops up with gear, somethings the Finns lacked.

And now look what happened.

Its tragic af.

As I recall, Sweden very nearly had its own independent nuclear deterrent, too. The 20th century saw Sweden fall a very long way.

Yes, we considered building atomic weaponry to defend against a russkie assault, and from 1945 to 1972 we ran super secret nuclear weapons program, but then the Riksdag fucked us over and banned nuclear research and development.
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Postby Neo Balka » Wed Apr 12, 2017 2:11 pm

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Husseinarti wrote:Sweden used to be super cool and kinda fucking scary tbh.

In World War Two, by the end of 1941 they had a 700,000 man army. Which doesn't sound like much considering the like 12+ million US troops and like 2000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 million Russian troops, but that 700,000 was 11% of the like 6~ million Swedish nation and they did this while neutral. This 700,000 man army could field 10 Infantry divisions, a number of tank brigades (With 750~ tanks in total inventory) over 1,600 combat aircraft and allot of other good shit. The army was a force to be reckoned with and it was one of the reasons why nobody wanted to fuck with them. It just wouldn't have been worth it to go and fight the Swedes on their turf with they had all the terrain expertise and will to fight like the Finns, but also had a huge and robust as fuck military industrial complex to back their troops up with gear, somethings the Finns lacked.

And now look what happened.

Its tragic af.

As I recall, Sweden very nearly had its own independent nuclear deterrent, too. The 20th century saw Sweden fall a very long way.


From Regional power to....

whatever captain sweden is.
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Postby The United Colonies of Earth » Wed Apr 12, 2017 2:12 pm

Husseinarti wrote:Sweden used to be super cool and kinda fucking scary tbh.

In World War Two, by the end of 1941 they had a 700,000 man army. Which doesn't sound like much considering the like 12+ million US troops and like 2000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 million Russian troops, but that 700,000 was 11% of the like 6~ million Swedish nation and they did this while neutral. This 700,000 man army could field 10 Infantry divisions, a number of tank brigades (With 750~ tanks in total inventory) over 1,600 combat aircraft and allot of other good shit. The army was a force to be reckoned with and it was one of the reasons why nobody wanted to fuck with them. It just wouldn't have been worth it to go and fight the Swedes on their turf with they had all the terrain expertise and will to fight like the Finns, but also had a huge and robust as fuck military industrial complex to back their troops up with gear, somethings the Finns lacked.

And now look what happened.

Its tragic af.

They no longer saw a need to be armed to the teeth as the US beefed up, so why would they care to maintain such extensive protections?
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United Muscovite Nations wrote:It's incredible heresy and blasphemy. Fortunately, the "Church of Sweden" is Anathema.

Yes, yes, good, fight amongst yourselves. *twirls godless mustache*
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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Apr 12, 2017 2:16 pm

Old Tyrannia wrote:As I recall, Sweden very nearly had its own independent nuclear deterrent, too. The 20th century saw Sweden fall a very long way.

Not sure that it's a fall. They took advantage of a superpower pulling security for them and their interests to invest in their country. They're one of the biggest arms producers in the world still.
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Postby The United Colonies of Earth » Wed Apr 12, 2017 2:19 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:As I recall, Sweden very nearly had its own independent nuclear deterrent, too. The 20th century saw Sweden fall a very long way.

Not sure that it's a fall. They took advantage of a superpower pulling security for them and their interests to invest in their country. They're one of the biggest arms producers in the world still.

I imagine if Sweden could no longer rely on allies to defend it they might switch back to being heavily militarized, if that's what people want.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Apr 12, 2017 2:31 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:It's incredible heresy and blasphemy. Fortunately, the "Church of Sweden" is Anathema.

Yes, yes, good, fight amongst yourselves. *twirls godless mustache*

>among ourselves
>implying that church is even Christian
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Postby Grand Britannia » Wed Apr 12, 2017 2:32 pm

Neo Balka wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:As I recall, Sweden very nearly had its own independent nuclear deterrent, too. The 20th century saw Sweden fall a very long way.


From Regional power to....

whatever captain sweden is.


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Postby Sanctissima » Wed Apr 12, 2017 2:34 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:As I recall, Sweden very nearly had its own independent nuclear deterrent, too. The 20th century saw Sweden fall a very long way.

Not sure that it's a fall. They took advantage of a superpower pulling security for them and their interests to invest in their country. They're one of the biggest arms producers in the world still.


Well, let's see...

-They've gone from a strong regional power to the butt of European jokes.
-Their military currently has only slightly more than 25,000 active personnel, so is for all intents and purposes non-existent.
-Nationalism within the country has more or less become taboo, along with everything that goes along with it (the Church of Sweden being a big one), thereby weakening Sweden's integrity and long-term viability as an independent state.
-The country has a massive welfare state which came very close to causing an economic implosion back in the 70's, maintainable only through massive levels of taxation.
-Its reigning party, the Swedish Social Democratic Party, has expressed considerably more interest in asinine social policies than more important issues like Sweden's economy. And, considering how they've monopolized politics in the country for quite some time, and they'll probably continue to do so, this will likely remain the focus of the Swedish government for some time yet.
-The country has a growing problem with radicalism and ghetto violence, which its government mostly ignores.

Even if you ignore how stupidly short-sighted it is for Sweden to hamstring its own military, the country has some pretty glaring problems that its government seems more than willing to ignore.

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Apr 12, 2017 2:57 pm

ALRIGHT, HERE'S THE 411, FOLKS

Globalist hegemon:
>United States
>Israel

Globalist puppets:
>All of Western Europe
>Scandinavia
>Greece
>The Pope

Second-Rate globalists (Also Globalists, but want to rule the world themselves rather than be ruled by the US globalists)
>China
>Russia
>Turkey

Second Rate Globalist Puppets:
>Syria
>Iran
>Much of Africa
>Greece
>Serbia
>Cuba
>Venezuela

Taking advantage of globalist schemes to advance national interest
>Poland
>Romania
>Bulgaria


ULTRA-REDPILLED ANTI-GLOBALISTS
>North Korea
>Switzerland
>Formerly Enver Hoxha
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Postby The East Marches II » Wed Apr 12, 2017 3:03 pm

Its been awhile since I've had such a sensible chuckle. Well done UMN, you've really out done yourself this time.

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Wed Apr 12, 2017 3:05 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:ALRIGHT, HERE'S THE 411, FOLKS

Globalist hegemon:
>United States
>Israel

Globalist puppets:
>All of Western Europe
>Scandinavia
>Greece
>The Pope

Second-Rate globalists (Also Globalists, but want to rule the world themselves rather than be ruled by the US globalists)
>China
>Russia
>Turkey

Second Rate Globalist Puppets:
>Syria
>Iran
>Much of Africa
>Greece
>Serbia
>Cuba
>Venezuela

Taking advantage of globalist schemes to advance national interest
>Poland
>Romania
>Bulgaria


ULTRA-REDPILLED ANTI-GLOBALISTS
>North Korea
>Switzerland
>Formerly Enver Hoxha

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Postby The East Marches II » Wed Apr 12, 2017 3:05 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:As I recall, Sweden very nearly had its own independent nuclear deterrent, too. The 20th century saw Sweden fall a very long way.

Not sure that it's a fall. They took advantage of a superpower pulling security for them and their interests to invest in their country. They're one of the biggest arms producers in the world still.


If they had a nuclear deterrent, that would be an ok idea tbh. The failure there was to pursue it all the way. When you toss away your arms, even if its to invest in yourself, you are at the mercy of bigger states. In effect, they gave up their independence.

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