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by The Founding Fatherland » Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:29 am
by Tekeristan » Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:32 am
by The Founding Fatherland » Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:35 am
by Tekeristan » Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:37 am
by The Founding Fatherland » Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:43 am
by Tekeristan » Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:44 am
by War Gears » Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:51 am
The Founding Fatherland wrote:Tekeristan wrote:It was, in a sense. They was a heavy interest to preserve what many saw as the American way that had developed in a long period of British neglect in a time Britain was trying to 'unite the empire'.
Funnily enough, independence sorta just happened on accident. Wasn't even the original goal. But what further makes it interesting was that it was a revolution with both liberals and conservatives. The mess of figuring stuff out sorta came after.
Too bad they couldn't figure out that democratic republics are a joke.
by The Founding Fatherland » Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:53 am
Tekeristan wrote:The Founding Fatherland wrote:
Unfortunately the stupidity of the common man is unrelated to lack of proper education.
You'd be surprised.
Besides, you and me? We're both most likely the common man.
But, isn't the idea of a strong nation a part of your whole get up? A well educated population can certainly do a good lot.
by Tekeristan » Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:56 am
The Founding Fatherland wrote:Tekeristan wrote:You'd be surprised.
Besides, you and me? We're both most likely the common man.
But, isn't the idea of a strong nation a part of your whole get up? A well educated population can certainly do a good lot.
I never said I was against a population that was properly educated. Humans, however, are less likely to utilize said education when in groups.
It's not the average Joe that's an idiot, it's the collective of average Joe's.
by War Gears » Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:57 am
The Founding Fatherland wrote:Tekeristan wrote:You'd be surprised.
Besides, you and me? We're both most likely the common man.
But, isn't the idea of a strong nation a part of your whole get up? A well educated population can certainly do a good lot.
I never said I was against a population that was properly educated. Humans, however, are less likely to utilize said education when in groups.
It's not the average Joe that's an idiot, it's the collective of average Joe's.
by The Founding Fatherland » Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:59 am
War Gears wrote:The Founding Fatherland wrote:
I never said I was against a population that was properly educated. Humans, however, are less likely to utilize said education when in groups.
It's not the average Joe that's an idiot, it's the collective of average Joe's.
Then why support collectivism and corporatism since both inherently put humans in groups?
by The Founding Fatherland » Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:11 am
by Tekeristan » Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:21 am
The Founding Fatherland wrote:War Gears wrote:
Do you have any evidence for such an assertion, especially considering how idiotic most Fascist groups were in Italy?
Do I have any evidence? I have all of human history for evidence. Armies often route when their commanders die, the vice president becomes president if the sitting president dies or is removed from office, political parties go defunct without a head, and there are many more examples. There is a reason leadership exists, and that is to lead groups.
People don't just work together for the Hell of it, despite what the Far-Left spectrum might believe. They need direction or otherwise they won't know where they're going.
Now, do you have any evidence for your assertion that fascist groups in Italy were "idiotic"?
by War Gears » Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:34 am
The Founding Fatherland wrote:Armies often route when their commanders die,
The Founding Fatherland wrote:the vice president becomes president if the sitting president dies or is removed from office,
The Founding Fatherland wrote:political parties go defunct without a head,
The Founding Fatherland wrote:People don't just work together for the Hell of it,
The Founding Fatherland wrote:They need direction or otherwise they won't know where they're going.
The Founding Fatherland wrote:Now, do you have any evidence for your assertion that fascist groups in Italy were "idiotic"?
by The Parkus Empire » Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:48 am
War Gears wrote:The Parkus Empire wrote:You seem to think religious debauchery is an expression of individualism.
No, if I wanted to make the case for individualism in Buddhism, I could've just cited the Rājan Sutta.Searching all directions with your awareness, you find no one dearer than yourself. In the same way, others are thickly dear to themselves. So you shouldn't hurt others if you love yourself.
You claimed I had numerous modernist Western beliefs, I didn't think this boiled down all to individualism.The Parkus Empire wrote:This further proves that you are a a western looking at Eastern religion from the outside.
The Parkus Empire wrote:The idea of debauchery as individualism as a widespread idea started with the libertines, and is really not any earlier than Sade in philosophical fornulation.
In the time of De Sade, deism had become increasingly common among the revolutionaries in France. If anything, he'd have been rebelling more against them than he would Christiandom.The Parkus Empire wrote:religious debauchery was mostly associated with mystery cults, which were absolutely not individualist.
In Tibet and other Asian countries, wandering hermit monks aren't the collectivists you seem to think all Eastern people are.
by War Gears » Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:57 am
The Parkus Empire wrote:Love your neighbors as yourself is not an individualist affirmation.
The Parkus Empire wrote:Individualism is the ideological belief in the totalitarian autonomy of the individual.
Wikipedia definition of individualism wrote:Individualism is the moral stance, political philosophy, ideology, or social outlook that emphasizes the moral worth of the individual.[1][2] Individualists promote the exercise of one's goals and desires and so value independence and self-reliance[3] and advocate that interests of the individual should achieve precedence over the state or a social group,[3] while opposing external interference upon one's own interests by society or institutions such as the government.[3]
by Taihei Tengoku » Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:18 pm
by Tekeristan » Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:21 pm
by Taihei Tengoku » Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:38 pm
by Tekeristan » Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:38 pm
Taihei Tengoku wrote:I am against the Corn Laws and think the application of water-wheel power to automate weaving is a good thing.
by The East Marches II » Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:39 pm
Taihei Tengoku wrote:I am against the Corn Laws and think the application of water-wheel power to automate weaving is a good thing.
by The East Marches II » Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:40 pm
by Agritum » Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:43 pm
by The East Marches II » Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:44 pm
Agritum wrote:TBH protectionism is dumber than just letting unproductive people be unproductive at their own danger and ill.
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