Right Wing Discussion Thread IX: The Right Man's Burden

[War Gears]

Your imaginary spiritual meter is not an accurate means of measuring what's better off.


Aisha being nine years old is well established, it's recorded she even used to play with dolls while married to Muhammad. You may not like that your prophet had sex with a little girl who played with dolls, but unfortunately, it's historical fact.


Yet your side constantly fails to explain why it's bullshit.


Almost entirely a fringe thing, whereas back in the medieval ages, being overweight was a sign of beauty.


Pedophilia being a paraphilia has been established by psychiatrists for years.


See my point about your side failing to explain why this is bullshit.


Oh, but the days where blacks were segregated were so much better?


Charming. Unfortunately most of us don't have sadistic urges to watch people we disagree with burn in agony because they make us feel bad.

Being fat was beautiful in the Renaissance, not during the Middle Ages.

Ah, my mistake. I get those two mixed up.

[The Parkus Empire]

Being fat was beautiful in the Renaissance, not during the Middle Ages.

Ah, my mistake. I get those two mixed up.

Art is the quickest way to distinguish. The Renaissance saw an aestheticism of flesh, whereas the Middle Ages generally connected fleshiness with decay and sin. This is also why nudity (including of Jesus) became abundant in Renaissance art, whereas in the Middle Ages it was not really common except for Adam and Eve and humorous sex joke art.

[War Gears]

The Renaissance saw an aestheticism of flesh,

If it weren't for the BBW fetish, I would find them quite agreeable.

[The Parkus Empire]

The Renaissance saw an aestheticism of flesh,

If it weren't for the BBW fetish, I would find them quite agreeable.

I wouldn't. Flesh is beautiful when subordinated to the spirit; "Nail down my flesh with fear of thee." Aestheticism of flesh for itself might as well be admiring a carcass.

[Austrasien]

Tbh we'd do them a favor if we don't allow people to be born into this world. Especially if they're born in poverty striken areas. I'd rather never exist than being born in a shitty part of Africa for example.

Suicide is always an option! Though I do not advocate suicide it is not something which can be prevented in a meaningful way. Life is not a prison. At least those who are allowed to live will have the option to choose.

But the toughness of humans should not be underestimated. Like all animals we have an innate will to live.

[The Parkus Empire]

Tbh we'd do them a favor if we don't allow people to be born into this world. Especially if they're born in poverty striken areas. I'd rather never exist than being born in a shitty part of Africa for example.

Suicide is always an option! Though I do not advocate suicide it is not something which can be prevented in a meaningful way. Life is not a prison. At least those who are allowed to live will have the option to choose.

But the toughness of humans should not be underestimated. Like all animals we have an innate will to live.

Suicide can absolutely be prevented in many cases. Being aware of it, looking for signs of risk, and persistently talking to those showing those signs all help.

[War Gears]

If it weren't for the BBW fetish, I would find them quite agreeable.

I wouldn't. Flesh is beautiful when subordinated to the spirit; "Nail down my flesh with fear of thee." Aestheticism of flesh for itself might as well be admiring a carcass.

Unlike the spirit, flesh actually exists.

[Austrasien]

I really only bring it up against the idea that it is better to be aborted than be condemned to a bad life. Though this does seem to be one of the stronger arguments for abortion to me (much stronger than the "choice" meme), since I accept there can be such a thing as mercy killing, life is not truly a sentence. There is an out if you truly desire it.

[Minzerland II]

Almost entirely a fringe thing, whereas back in the medieval ages, being overweight was a sign of beauty.

Source please.

It is probably more accurate to say that in the Renaissance people found plump women to be attractive; overweight is a bit of a stretch.
Nevermind. Im completely wrong. Looking through my sources, what was plump then would probably called overweight in our society today.

[The Parkus Empire]

I wouldn't. Flesh is beautiful when subordinated to the spirit; "Nail down my flesh with fear of thee." Aestheticism of flesh for itself might as well be admiring a carcass.

Unlike the spirit, flesh actually exists.

Ah. An individualist materialist. Who considers their philosophy Eastern.

[Darussalam]

I wouldn't. Flesh is beautiful when subordinated to the spirit; "Nail down my flesh with fear of thee." Aestheticism of flesh for itself might as well be admiring a carcass.

Unlike the spirit, flesh actually exists.

Indeed. Or more specifically, the spirit long exalted by many is actually always subordinate to flesh, though perhaps different section of flesh. All that is needed to do to achieve spiritual enlightenment is to alter the brain's chemicals or even a mere old fashioned revelation of Persinger's helmet. An irreligious man can become fervently religious through the divine inspiration of severe epileptic fit, and vice versa.

[The Parkus Empire]

Unlike the spirit, flesh actually exists.

Indeed. Or more specifically, the spirit long exalted by many is actually always subordinate to flesh, though perhaps different section of flesh. All that is needed to do to achieve spiritual enlightenment is to alter the brain's chemicals or even a mere old fashioned revelation of Persinger's helmet. An irreligious man can become fervently religious through the divine inspiration of severe epileptic fit, and vice versa.

The spirit isn't the brain. The spirit is the non-material component of being.

[Darussalam]

Indeed. Or more specifically, the spirit long exalted by many is actually always subordinate to flesh, though perhaps different section of flesh. All that is needed to do to achieve spiritual enlightenment is to alter the brain's chemicals or even a mere old fashioned revelation of Persinger's helmet. An irreligious man can become fervently religious through the divine inspiration of severe epileptic fit, and vice versa.

The spirit isn't the brain. The spirit is the non-material component of being.

Which historically has always meant something that is rooted in brain except we don't know that yet

Practices, convictions, thoughts, and general lifestyle associated as spiritual are rooted in the brain, and its manifestations are influenced by the latter's neurochemical component. Manipulate the brain, and you can interfere with an individual's spirituality.

[War Gears]

Unlike the spirit, flesh actually exists.

Ah. An individualist materialist. Who considers their philosophy Eastern.

I'm not a materialist, and I don't believe you have an accurate perception of Asian religions if you view them through such a narrow lens.

[Genivaria]

Have you ever actually looked at history before the modern era?

Because unlike ancient times, we don't consider infanticide acceptable, or that adults should be able to have sex with someone as young as twelve (or nine, if we're looking at your prophet). The "pre-degenerate" era of human history is a myth. Even UMN's favorite idol Nicholas was probably not legitimate because one of his ancestors fucked a man who wasn't her husband.

Lol, humanity is only materially better off than it was back then, tbh. BTW there is no definitive evidence that Aisha was a child, so that so called argument is stale AF and needs to be shelved, think of sometjing else.

Modern age we have all this gender fluid bullshit, fat acceptance, pedophilia as a sexual orientation, safe spaces, etc etc etc. Society is going down the fucking gutter. I pray the end days are near so Allah will cast down the degenerates who pervert his creation to the fire.

I would see a doctor about that psychotic desire for genocide.

[Aellex]

BTW there is no definitive evidence that Aisha was a child, so that so called argument is stale AF and needs to be shelved, think of sometjing else.

>tfw Aisha's own word isn't definitive evidence

Sahih Bukhari
Narrated Aisha: The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age. Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234

Sahih Bukhari
Narrated 'Aisha: I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for 'Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13) Volume 8, Book 73, Number 151

Anyway, that little bit aside, I can understand your sentiment about the rest of the post but there is always some hope of reforming decadence and degeneracy tho it obviously won't be easy.
At least one can do his bit of work toward this greater goal by acting morally in his day to day life.

[Herskerstad]

I pray the end days are near so Allah will cast down the degenerates who pervert his creation to the fire.

Take a breather, and if you still hold to such a desire afterwards towards others, then become a better person.

[Taihei Tengoku]

So a bunch of cells should be saved over a conscious toddler?

Tbh we'd do them a favor if we don't allow people to be born into this world. Especially if they're born in poverty striken areas. I'd rather never exist than being born in a shitty part of Africa for example.

But if you were able to escape the shitty part of Africa by, say, immigrating to Europe--

[The Parkus Empire]

Ah. An individualist materialist. Who considers their philosophy Eastern.

I'm not a materialist, and I don't believe you have an accurate perception of Asian religions if you view them through such a narrow lens.

You believe that being is purely material, which is the definition of a materialist.

[United Muscovite Nations]

^ This. We're living in the most god-hating, satan worshipping, and degenerate time in humanity's history.

Have you ever actually looked at history before the modern era?

Because unlike ancient times, we don't consider infanticide acceptable, or that adults should be able to have sex with someone as young as twelve (or nine, if we're looking at your prophet). The "pre-degenerate" era of human history is a myth. Even UMN's favorite idol Nicholas was probably not legitimate because one of his ancestors fucked a man who wasn't her husband.

Abortion is infanticide, they aren't separate.

[United Muscovite Nations]

lol, I literally just said the eggs should be saved if they are going to live.

So a bunch of cells should be saved over a conscious toddler?

If we don't take into account the soul as being alive, then the toddler is also "a bunch of cells".

[Crysuko]

Have you ever actually looked at history before the modern era?

Because unlike ancient times, we don't consider infanticide acceptable, or that adults should be able to have sex with someone as young as twelve (or nine, if we're looking at your prophet). The "pre-degenerate" era of human history is a myth. Even UMN's favorite idol Nicholas was probably not legitimate because one of his ancestors fucked a man who wasn't her husband.

Abortion is infanticide, they aren't separate.

killing a ball of stem cells the size of a tic tac isn't what i'd call murder. do you have any arguments that aren't appeals to emotion?

[United Muscovite Nations]

Abortion is infanticide, they aren't separate.

killing a ball of stem cells the size of a tic tac isn't what i'd call murder. do you have any arguments that aren't appeals to emotion?

As I said before, if we reduce things to pure materialism, then a fully grown human being is also just a more complicated collection of cells and tissues.

[Crysuko]

killing a ball of stem cells the size of a tic tac isn't what i'd call murder. do you have any arguments that aren't appeals to emotion?

As I said before, if we reduce things to pure materialism, then a fully grown human being is also just a more complicated collection of cells and tissues.

fully concious, self aware and considerably larger. those stem cells are none of the above, they are small, have no conciousness or awareness. they barely count as human at all.

[United Muscovite Nations]

As I said before, if we reduce things to pure materialism, then a fully grown human being is also just a more complicated collection of cells and tissues.

fully concious, self aware and considerably larger. those stem cells are none of the above, they are small, have no conciousness or awareness. they barely count as human at all.

Why does any of that matter? They're still just systems of cells and tissues. The consciousness is just an organ.