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Was the Reformation a good thing?

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2 - Neutral.
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3 - No.
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Conserative Morality
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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Oct 11, 2017 5:19 pm

War Gears wrote:Daily reminder that the Japanese were right and merchants belonged on the bottom of society. :^)

U N W E S T E R N

I am suddenly reminded of why I despise all other cultures.
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Postby Napkiraly » Wed Oct 11, 2017 5:20 pm

Aillyria wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:It is in Europe's interest to oversee the spread of Christendom, as well as the reduction in lesser civilizational traits.
Such as rule by a god-emperor or neglect of the needy.

Yes, and it was in Japan's interest to see to the preservation of their culture. And that's pretty interesting say that Japan was "lesser" for neglecting the needy, when that happened in Catholic dominated Europe too.

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Islam was generally spread to places that were "alien" to it.

Generally through conquest, but not always.

True.

My point is if you're going to try to infect another nation with your religion, you can't cry if your converts are punished by the native government.
I'll take this post into consideration should the fate of the Burmese Muslims ever come up.

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Postby The East Marches II » Wed Oct 11, 2017 5:20 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:[

There is nothing wrong with that persecution, it works wonders. Ask your fellow Catholics in France :^)


Are you saying I should bring Aellex to this thread? :^) Didn't know you had such fond feelings for the French. :^)


Summon him, his telephone wires and his gégènes :^)

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Postby The East Marches II » Wed Oct 11, 2017 5:21 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
War Gears wrote:Daily reminder that the Japanese were right and merchants belonged on the bottom of society. :^)

U N W E S T E R N

I am suddenly reminded of why I despise all other cultures.


Is it time to get the cross?

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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Oct 11, 2017 5:21 pm

Napkiraly wrote:I'll take this post into consideration should the fate of the Burmese Muslims ever come up.

It's been like 300 years, I think few of them are converts at this point.
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Postby Napkiraly » Wed Oct 11, 2017 5:21 pm

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Postby The East Marches II » Wed Oct 11, 2017 5:22 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
War Gears wrote:
If he had been really intelligent or a real leader of Japan, he'd have supported the growing Shinto sects and used them to counterbalance Buddhism, but he did not. This lack of intelligence was probably the reason he was killed. :^)

>> using syncretic religions to fight syncretic religions

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But how would you know how plebbish the Hagakure is unless you yourself have read it? =^)


I-I only read it to prove how superior the 5 Rings was. T-that's all.

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Postby Napkiraly » Wed Oct 11, 2017 5:22 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:I'll take this post into consideration should the fate of the Burmese Muslims ever come up.

It's been like 300 years, I think few of them are converts at this point.

I'm referring to the Rohingya.

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Postby Aillyria » Wed Oct 11, 2017 5:23 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Aillyria wrote:Yes, and it was in Japan's interest to see to the preservation of their culture. And that's pretty interesting say that Japan was "lesser" for neglecting the needy, when that happened in Catholic dominated Europe too.

My point is if you're going to try to infect another nation with your religion, you can't cry if your converts are punished by the native government.


Read that as "preservation of the status quo that favors the sitting lords at the time".

No, that's barbaric. Unless you think in general it's fine to persecute minorities if it "doesn't fit your culture"? ISIS will be pleased.

Uh, yes. That's generally want governments do, protect the status quo that supports their hold on their territory. Just like how the Vatican resisted the advent of Protestantism. I never said I thought it was good or right, simply natural.
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Aillyria would be Claudius. Temper + unwillingness to suffer fools + supporter of the P E O P L E + traditional legalist

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Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".

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Postby War Gears » Wed Oct 11, 2017 5:24 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Aillyria wrote:Yes, and it was in Japan's interest to see to the preservation of their culture. And that's pretty interesting say that Japan was "lesser" for neglecting the needy, when that happened in Catholic dominated Europe too.

My point is if you're going to try to infect another nation with your religion, you can't cry if your converts are punished by the native government.


Read that as "preservation of the status quo that favors the sitting lords at the time".

No, that's barbaric. Unless you think in general it's fine to persecute minorities if it "doesn't fit your culture"? ISIS will be pleased.


Please stop with the ridiculous nonsense about how Christianity was the champion of the lower classes and that that was the reason it was suppressed by the big bad shogun and his elite, because that is nowhere near close to reality. Christianity was favored by many daimyo and others in the upper class who had no interest in helping the lower classes, and exercised their powers in order to coerce their subordinates into converting as well.

Do you believe that slavery and destroying religious places of worship are barbaric as well?
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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Oct 11, 2017 5:25 pm

The East Marches II wrote:Is it time to get the cross?

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Punishment from Rome =^)
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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Oct 11, 2017 5:26 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:It's been like 300 years, I think few of them are converts at this point.

I'm referring to the Rohingya.

So am I.
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Postby BranchLandia » Wed Oct 11, 2017 5:27 pm

Greetings all.

What are some Right Wing Poets?
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Postby War Gears » Wed Oct 11, 2017 5:27 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
War Gears wrote:
Daily reminder that the Japanese were right and merchants belonged on the bottom of society. :^)


Daily Reminder: Japan was a mistake and it is rightful Chinese clay :^)


t. Kublai Khan

Right before the gods sent a tsunami to wreck his ships.
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Postby Aillyria » Wed Oct 11, 2017 5:30 pm

War Gears wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
Daily Reminder: Japan was a mistake and it is rightful Chinese clay :^)


t. Kublai Khan

Right before the gods sent a tsunami to wreck his ships.

Lol, also Japan has wiped the floor with China in almost every war they've had.
Conserative Morality wrote:If RWDT were Romans, who would they be?
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Aillyria would be Claudius. Temper + unwillingness to suffer fools + supporter of the P E O P L E + traditional legalist

West Oros wrote:GOD DAMMIT! I thought you wouldn't be here.
Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".

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Postby War Gears » Wed Oct 11, 2017 5:32 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
War Gears wrote:Daily reminder that the Japanese were right and merchants belonged on the bottom of society. :^)

U N W E S T E R N

I am suddenly reminded of why I despise all other cultures.


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Postby Salus Maior » Wed Oct 11, 2017 5:35 pm

Aillyria wrote:
War Gears wrote:
t. Kublai Khan

Right before the gods sent a tsunami to wreck his ships.

Lol, also Japan has wiped the floor with China in almost every war they've had.


Which is like what, two?

And the first one they had, Korea and China beat Japan so bad that they didn't try again for like 200 years.
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Postby Rostavykhan » Wed Oct 11, 2017 5:36 pm

BranchLandia wrote:Greetings all.

What are some Right Wing Poets?


Filthy Frank.

The East Marches II wrote:
War Gears wrote:
Daily reminder that the Japanese were right and merchants belonged on the bottom of society. :^)


Daily Reminder: Japan was a mistake and it is rightful Chinese clay :^)


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Postby Northern Davincia » Wed Oct 11, 2017 5:39 pm

War Gears wrote:Because no poor existed in majority Christian countries at the time of the 16th century, or today in the 21st. :roll:

Buddhism had a concept of helping the poor too, y'know.

In regards to the concept of the Emperor as arahitogami, how is that "uncivilized?"

Buddhism has the concept, yes. Most religions do. However, you don't have events like the Shimabara Rebellion if you care for the poor.
The arahitogami concept is not uncivilized, but merely an attribute of primitivism where men posed as gods, like in Ancient Egypt.
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Postby Senkaku » Wed Oct 11, 2017 5:41 pm

Rostavykhan wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
Daily Reminder: Japan was a mistake and it is rightful Chinese clay :^)


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>March of the Volunteers

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Postby Salus Maior » Wed Oct 11, 2017 5:42 pm

War Gears wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Read that as "preservation of the status quo that favors the sitting lords at the time".

No, that's barbaric. Unless you think in general it's fine to persecute minorities if it "doesn't fit your culture"? ISIS will be pleased.


Please stop with the ridiculous nonsense about how Christianity was the champion of the lower classes and that that was the reason it was suppressed by the big bad shogun and his elite, because that is nowhere near close to reality. Christianity was favored by many daimyo and others in the upper class who had no interest in helping the lower classes, and exercised their powers in order to coerce their subordinates into converting as well.

Do you believe that slavery and destroying religious places of worship are barbaric as well?


I'm not. It's a statement of a fact that part of the rejection of Christianity was to preserve Japan's status quo.

Native converted people destroying their own places of worship to replace them with new ones isn't that objectionable to me, it happened plenty of times during Europe's conversion (although I'd rather they just be converted rather than destroyed for the sake of historical value, like the Roman Pantheon and the Parthenon). Slavery, of course, is profoundly objectionable to me. But it's not like peasants in Japan had it any better under the Shinto-Buddhist system.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Oct 11, 2017 5:43 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
War Gears wrote:Because no poor existed in majority Christian countries at the time of the 16th century, or today in the 21st. :roll:

Buddhism had a concept of helping the poor too, y'know.

In regards to the concept of the Emperor as arahitogami, how is that "uncivilized?"

Buddhism has the concept, yes. Most religions do. However, you don't have events like the Shimabara Rebellion if you care for the poor.
The arahitogami concept is not uncivilized, but merely an attribute of primitivism where men posed as gods, like in Ancient Egypt.

Because contemporary Europe didn't see such peasant uprisings at the time because they wuz good Christian boys
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Postby Aillyria » Wed Oct 11, 2017 5:45 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Aillyria wrote:Lol, also Japan has wiped the floor with China in almost every war they've had.


Which is like what, two?

And the first one they had, Korea and China beat Japan so bad that they didn't try again for like 200 years.

Yeah, Japan was cocky on that 1st invasion of Korea.

Northern Davincia wrote:
War Gears wrote:Because no poor existed in majority Christian countries at the time of the 16th century, or today in the 21st. :roll:

Buddhism had a concept of helping the poor too, y'know.

In regards to the concept of the Emperor as arahitogami, how is that "uncivilized?"

Buddhism has the concept, yes. Most religions do. However, you don't have events like the Shimabara Rebellion if you care for the poor.
The arahitogami concept is not uncivilized, but merely an attribute of primitivism where men posed as gods, like in Ancient Egypt.

Then you have Catholicism where clergy poses as God's authority on Earth, that's pretty BS too. Christianity had no leg to stand on to say they were morally on the high groun in comparison to native Japanese practices.
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Aillyria would be Claudius. Temper + unwillingness to suffer fools + supporter of the P E O P L E + traditional legalist

West Oros wrote:GOD DAMMIT! I thought you wouldn't be here.
Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".

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Postby Northern Davincia » Wed Oct 11, 2017 5:46 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Buddhism has the concept, yes. Most religions do. However, you don't have events like the Shimabara Rebellion if you care for the poor.
The arahitogami concept is not uncivilized, but merely an attribute of primitivism where men posed as gods, like in Ancient Egypt.

Because contemporary Europe didn't see such peasant uprisings at the time because they wuz good Christian boys

That is more the fault of the state and less of religion. Caste systems are like that.
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Postby Aillyria » Wed Oct 11, 2017 5:49 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Because contemporary Europe didn't see such peasant uprisings at the time because they wuz good Christian boys

That is more the fault of the state and less of religion. Caste systems are like that.

Same with Shinto and Buddhism.
Conserative Morality wrote:If RWDT were Romans, who would they be?
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Aillyria would be Claudius. Temper + unwillingness to suffer fools + supporter of the P E O P L E + traditional legalist

West Oros wrote:GOD DAMMIT! I thought you wouldn't be here.
Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".

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