Right Wing Discussion Thread IX: The Right Man's Burden

[The Parkus Empire]

I don't support them. That's why I compared it to the assassination of Alexander II (who was killed by communists specifically because he wanted to appease the downtrodden). On the other hand, saying the state of Serbia was "sheltering" members of the organization because they weren't handing over everyone affiliated to it to the Austrian government, is not really fair. After the attacks of 9/11, it would have been ludicrous and unfair to expect Afghanistan to hand over everyone with affiliation to Al Qaeda, and to allow the United States to establish our own police force over there otherwise. Invading Afghanistan for refusing these demands would be unjust in the extreme.

Thats exactly what we did though and nobody blinked an eye. It was entirely just and right.

If they handed over bin Laden yet we still invaded, that would be very wrong.

[The East Marches II]

Thats exactly what we did though and nobody blinked an eye. It was entirely just and right.

If they handed over bin Laden yet we still invaded, that would be very wrong

Yet like the Serbs, they gave us some mealy mouthed nonsense.

[The Parkus Empire]

If they handed over bin Laden yet we still invaded, that would be very wrong

Yet like the Serbs, they gave us some mealy mouthed nonsense.

Serbs gave quite a bit, and even were willing to discuss the last article if other nations could help settle it.

[The East Marches II]

Yet like the Serbs, they gave us some mealy mouthed nonsense.

Serbs gave quite a bit, and even were willing to discuss the last article if other nations could help settle it.

No they didn't, they just tried to buy time for Russian mobilization. Typical bad faith tactics of a terrorist supporting state. The Austrians should have crushed them outright.

[The Parkus Empire]

Serbs gave quite a bit, and even were willing to discuss the last article if other nations could help settle it.

No they didn't, they just tried to buy time for Russian mobilization. Typical bad faith tactics of a terrorist supporting state. The Austrians should have crushed them outright.

I think everyone, including Austria, would have been much better off without the war.

[The East Marches II]

No they didn't, they just tried to buy time for Russian mobilization. Typical bad faith tactics of a terrorist supporting state. The Austrians should have crushed them outright.

I think everyone, including Austria, would have been much better off without the war.

Yes, thats why Serbia should have agreed to their generous offer. Alas, no such luck.

[Salus Maior]

No they didn't, they just tried to buy time for Russian mobilization. Typical bad faith tactics of a terrorist supporting state. The Austrians should have crushed them outright.

I think everyone, including Austria, would have been much better off without the war.

No one knew that WWI was going to be WWI as we know it.

Almost everyone thought the war would have been over in a year.

[The Parkus Empire]

I think everyone, including Austria, would have been much better off without the war.

No one knew that WWI was going to be WWI as we know it.

Almost everyone thought the war would have been over in a year.

Those who started it thought that. Plenty of other officials understood exactly what a "general war" would entail.

[The Parkus Empire]

I think everyone, including Austria, would have been much better off without the war.

Yes, thats why Serbia should have agreed to their generous offer. Alas, no such luck.

So Germany and Austria were compelled to start a proto global thermonuclear war.

[The East Marches II]

Yes, thats why Serbia should have agreed to their generous offer. Alas, no such luck.

So Germany and Austria were compelled to start a proto global thermonuclear war.

Serbia started it you mean :^)

[Saiwania]

Now that the ISIS war is winding down towards final victory, I think it is almost time to maybe begin discussions about what should happen to the leader of ISIS should he be captured or killed? It seems likely now that he's somewhere along the Euphrates river in Syria.

Al-Baghdadi has been in US captivity before, this lenient outcome must not happen again because he's such a flight risk and doesn't deserve humane treatment. The world knows he's a dirt bag so he must get a punishment that is suited for someone of his caliber of evil. I predict that he's more likely to get killed, but if he isn't blown to pieces by an explosion, I think he should be getting the Muammar Gaddafi treatment.

In the unlikely event that he's taken alive, I think the Soviet plan for Adolf Hitler should go into effect- put Al-Baghdadi in a cage and parade him through the streets of the Kurdish or Shia capital of Iraq, and I'm sure you all know what happens next.

[Napkiraly]

Preferably Al-Baghdadi is captured and put on trial for his crimes. Who should be the ones to put him in front of a courtroom, I'm still not sure about. Part of me wants to have a multi-national court that tries him, so that a lot of the countries that have been harmed by his message and his followers can take part in exacting retribution, but I'm mainly wary of European aversion to the death penalty, which is what he deserves.

[Torsiedelle]

Preferably Al-Baghdadi is captured and put on trial for his crimes. Who should be the ones to put him in front of a courtroom, I'm still not sure about. Part of me wants to have a multi-national court that tries him, so that a lot of the countries that have been harmed by his message and his followers can take part in exacting retribution, but I'm mainly wary of European aversion to the death penalty, which is what he deserves.

Let Russia have him.

Europe is too weak anyways.

[Salus Maior]

Preferably Al-Baghdadi is captured and put on trial for his crimes. Who should be the ones to put him in front of a courtroom, I'm still not sure about. Part of me wants to have a multi-national court that tries him, so that a lot of the countries that have been harmed by his message and his followers can take part in exacting retribution, but I'm mainly wary of European aversion to the death penalty, which is what he deserves.

I'm fairly certain that Al Baghdadi is dead.

[HMS Queen Elizabeth]

nuke mecca VI Day now

[Genivaria]

Preferably Al-Baghdadi is captured and put on trial for his crimes. Who should be the ones to put him in front of a courtroom, I'm still not sure about. Part of me wants to have a multi-national court that tries him, so that a lot of the countries that have been harmed by his message and his followers can take part in exacting retribution, but I'm mainly wary of European aversion to the death penalty, which is what he deserves.

It could also be what he wants.

[The East Marches II]

Preferably Al-Baghdadi is captured and put on trial for his crimes. Who should be the ones to put him in front of a courtroom, I'm still not sure about. Part of me wants to have a multi-national court that tries him, so that a lot of the countries that have been harmed by his message and his followers can take part in exacting retribution, but I'm mainly wary of European aversion to the death penalty, which is what he deserves.

It could also be what he wants.

Its in everybody's interest if he resists during a raid and tragically dies or gets it in an airstrike

[Genivaria]

It could also be what he wants.

Its in everybody's interest if he resists during a raid and tragically dies or gets it in an airstrike

Yes, how tragic that would be, and damnit TEM why'd you bring bacon?

[Republic of the Cristo]

Preferably Al-Baghdadi is captured and put on trial for his crimes. Who should be the ones to put him in front of a courtroom, I'm still not sure about. Part of me wants to have a multi-national court that tries him, so that a lot of the countries that have been harmed by his message and his followers can take part in exacting retribution, but I'm mainly wary of European aversion to the death penalty, which is what he deserves.

It could also be what he wants.

He wont be taken alive.

[The Eternal Aulus]

Now that the ISIS war is winding down towards final victory, I think it is almost time to maybe begin discussions about what should happen to the leader of ISIS should he be captured or killed? It seems likely now that he's somewhere along the Euphrates river in Syria.

Al-Baghdadi has been in US captivity before, this lenient outcome must not happen again because he's such a flight risk and doesn't deserve humane treatment. The world knows he's a dirt bag so he must get a punishment that is suited for someone of his caliber of evil. I predict that he's more likely to get killed, but if he isn't blown to pieces by an explosion, I think he should be getting the Muammar Gaddafi treatment.

In the unlikely event that he's taken alive, I think the Soviet plan for Adolf Hitler should go into effect- put Al-Baghdadi in a cage and parade him through the streets of the Kurdish or Shia capital of Iraq, and I'm sure you all know what happens next.

It won't make a difference. If Abu Bakr al Baghdadi has been killed someone else will take over his role. They should capture him and forcefully make him state that everything ISIS did is haram. That ISIS was haram and that he will be responsible for all hellfire in the afterlife. It won't help much, ie some ISIS radicals will keep on fighting, but maybe it will fence off some others. Killing him will work in the opposite direction I think.

[Prusswitonsiakekingkailand]

I'll tell you one thing,with left dominance over Nationstates, this has to be the most entertaining thread i've read in a while.

[Prusswitonsiakekingkailand]

Now that the ISIS war is winding down towards final victory, I think it is almost time to maybe begin discussions about what should happen to the leader of ISIS should he be captured or killed? It seems likely now that he's somewhere along the Euphrates river in Syria.

Al-Baghdadi has been in US captivity before, this lenient outcome must not happen again because he's such a flight risk and doesn't deserve humane treatment. The world knows he's a dirt bag so he must get a punishment that is suited for someone of his caliber of evil. I predict that he's more likely to get killed, but if he isn't blown to pieces by an explosion, I think he should be getting the Muammar Gaddafi treatment.

In the unlikely event that he's taken alive, I think the Soviet plan for Adolf Hitler should go into effect- put Al-Baghdadi in a cage and parade him through the streets of the Kurdish or Shia capital of Iraq, and I'm sure you all know what happens next.

It won't make a difference. If Abu Bakr al Baghdadi has been killed someone else will take over his role. They should capture him and forcefully make him state that everything ISIS did is haram. That ISIS was haram and that he will be responsible for all hellfire in the afterlife. It won't help much, ie some ISIS radicals will keep on fighting, but maybe it will fence off some others. Killing him will work in the opposite direction I think.

I love that idea, there's no reason to just keep killing Abu over and over again when they're just going to replace him to compensate for the loss, capturing him seems like the better option now. In all honesty, ISIS is like fighting an eternal Battle of Castle Itter, they won't surrender until their "great leader" is gone in name, not dead in name. When Hitler killed himself, did the SS give up? No, and neither will ISIS until their leader is forced too.

[The Eternal Aulus]

It won't make a difference. If Abu Bakr al Baghdadi has been killed someone else will take over his role. They should capture him and forcefully make him state that everything ISIS did is haram. That ISIS was haram and that he will be responsible for all hellfire in the afterlife. It won't help much, ie some ISIS radicals will keep on fighting, but maybe it will fence off some others. Killing him will work in the opposite direction I think.

I love that idea, there's no reason to just keep killing Abu over and over again when they're just going to replace him to compensate for the loss, capturing him seems like the better option now. In all honesty, ISIS is like fighting an eternal Battle of Castle Itter, they won't surrender until their "great leader" is gone in name, not dead in name. When Hitler killed himself, did the SS give up? No, and neither will ISIS until their leader is forced too.

I believe ISIS will crumble once their leaders admit (forcefully) that they were wrong. Then you get real moral damage. Not when you kill them.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

I love that idea, there's no reason to just keep killing Abu over and over again when they're just going to replace him to compensate for the loss, capturing him seems like the better option now. In all honesty, ISIS is like fighting an eternal Battle of Castle Itter, they won't surrender until their "great leader" is gone in name, not dead in name. When Hitler killed himself, did the SS give up? No, and neither will ISIS until their leader is forced too.

I believe ISIS will crumble once their leaders admit (forcefully) that they were wrong. Then you get real moral damage. Not when you kill them.

What if they reject him and continue anyway?

[Prusswitonsiakekingkailand]

I believe ISIS will crumble once their leaders admit (forcefully) that they were wrong. Then you get real moral damage. Not when you kill them.

What if they reject him and continue anyway?

I doubt that, but if so then we come up with a Plan B, besides if you think about it, ISIS won't really function without a leader, unless they just keep doing what they've been doing and reinstate a new leader.