BREXIT Mega Thread (The Saga Begins?)

[Hurdergaryp]

The expensive bitch can barely fly reliably.

It's performed quite well in most tests so far.

And while expensive, it costs no more than the F-16 if you take inflation into account.

Still it should already have been in service in all the airforces that ordered those machines, which is still not the case. About time the goddamn thing actually got about finished, but be mentally prepared for unexpected dysfunctionalities to pop up when it's the least expected.

[SD_Film Artists]

How so? how is it a disaster?

The expensive bitch can barely fly reliably.

And here I thought you were talking about our upcomming trade talks in the middle east.

[Hurdergaryp]

The expensive bitch can barely fly reliably.

And here I thought you were talking about our upcomming trade talks in the middle east.

Fun shall be had by all, no doubt.

[Ifreann]

that said, there does appear to be a danger that spain has cultivated some support in the EU by virtue of "being in the EU" and "not insulting them to their faces as they storm out then comparing them to hitler". i suppose it's up to each individual briton to decide whether the epic bantz were more important than trying to maintain good relations.

I think we all know the answer to that.

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Also in a related note I wonder what will happen once the politicians lose the ability to use the EU as a convenient scapegoat for their own screwups.

It'll still be the EU's fault, for not giving Britain a better deal.

[Hurdergaryp]

Also in a related note I wonder what will happen once the politicians lose the ability to use the EU as a convenient scapegoat for their own screwups.

It'll still be the EU's fault, for not giving Britain a better deal.

It was to be hoped to be a virtual Waterloo, but then it unfortunately became more like Passiondale.

[Vassenor]

It'll still be the EU's fault, for not giving Britain a better deal.

It was to be hoped to be a virtual Waterloo, but then it unfortunately became more like Passiondale.

Except that we only won at Waterloo because of the Germans. And possibly the Dutch.

[Hurdergaryp]

It was to be hoped to be a virtual Waterloo, but then it unfortunately became more like Passiondale.

Except that we only won at Waterloo because of the Germans. And possibly the Dutch.

Despite the dedicated nationalistic revisionism back in the 19th century, the historical fact remains that the Dutch and the Prussians were important forces when it came to break the Napoleonic forces. The battle was undecided for quite a while, and then the Prussians managed to attack the flanks of Napoleon's forces after getting through miles and miles of extremely muddy roads with their artillery and everything.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Except that we only won at Waterloo because of the Germans. And possibly the Dutch.

It's like a puzzle, ye need all the pieces; the Brits (Mostly the Brits :^)), Prussians, Dutch and some other German groups.

Le Joke btw

[Hurdergaryp]

Except that we only won at Waterloo because of the Germans. And possibly the Dutch.

It's like a puzzle, ye need all the pieces; the Brits (Mostly the Brits :^)), Prussians, Dutch and some other German groups.

Le Joke btw

It was a thoroughly European affair, but some Brits actually proclaim with dry eyes and dour faces that the United Kingdom is not actually part of the European continent. Their next statement is probably going to be that the Earth is actually flat.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

It was a thoroughly European affair, but some Brits actually proclaim with dry eyes and dour faces that the United Kingdom is not actually part of the European continent.

I don't particularly blame them for that sentiment (Despite it being wholly inaccurate.). The UK being a island nation certainly let the sentiment fester; at least from my view.

Their next statement is probably going to be that the Earth is actually flat.

Plenty have made such a proclamation in the past, it wouldn't surprise me for another to do so now.

[Questers]

Gripen is not that bad really.

Unfortunately, the engine is basically American - it's a derivative of an American general electric engine - and the radar is basically British - it's a derivative of the Marconi Blue Vixen. Sweden itself doesn't really have the capacity to build its own jet engine or its own military air radar - this isn't an insult or a hurr dumb eurocucks because there are only really four countries in the world capable of designing and building a military jet fighter from 0-100: the US and Russia and Britain and France.

The concept of a European Army is not an impossible one: NATO is already multi-lingual and in the 1980s it operated, off the top of my head, nine Corps: Three American and three German, a British, a Dutch, and a Belgian, wtih Danish troops attached and probably French later on. The problem is just money and politics.

Continental Europe has three large military producers: France, Italy and Germany. These countries are almost self sufficient in procurement. If a contract goes out to produce, say, an armoured fighting vehicle of some description, these countries will compete for it. Will they all get a contract and consequently the European Army gets one or two types of vehicle it doesn't want or need? Will the vehicle get delivered at all because a bitter country vetoes the acquisition since it lost the contract? All the political problems in military acquisition are multiplied massively, and especially because the Unio is a Union of special interests.

Unfortunately (for Europe) their existing industrial base isn't really big enough to produce all the materiel for a unified European Army. European armies are shockingly lacking in materiel and where they have materiel it is often not well maintained enough. Many countries like Britain, France and Germany keep tiny numbers of materiel on hand to keep their amies basically acquainted with its use and existence because they just can't afford more. The strongest Army in Europe is probably Poland's. France has the best air force and for the time being is roughly on par with Britain's navy.

This is something worth talking about (in a way that isn't "military dick waving" because Britain was always against (for obvious and good reasons) a European Army; the paradox is that it leaving makes it much more likely politically but much less feasible materially: Europe has lost a major military power (in Europe). Half its nuclear submarines, a fifth of its military aircraft, attack helicopters and main battle tanks etc etc. I suspect they will simply continue to enlargen their multi-national brigades within NATO and the EU.

[Hurdergaryp]

It was a thoroughly European affair, but some Brits actually proclaim with dry eyes and dour faces that the United Kingdom is not actually part of the European continent.

I don't particularly blame them for that sentiment (Despite it being wholly inaccurate.). The UK being a island nation certainly let the sentiment fester; at least from my view.

Yet everyone would be thoroughly surprised if many individuals in Japan, in certain aspects a similar nation, would proclaim that Japan is not a part of Asia.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Yet everyone would be thoroughly surprised if many individuals in Japan, in certain aspects a similar nation, would proclaim that Japan is not a part of Asia.

That I have no doubt, perhaps it is because in comparison, Brits are more likely to seperate themselves from the continent or, at the very least, are known for doing so more than the Japanese.

[Vassenor]

So it looks like No Deal might be worse than Bad Deal after all, despite what the PM said.

[Souseiseki]

So it looks like No Deal might be worse than Bad Deal after all, despite what the PM said.

It called for a "thorough assessment of the economic, legal and other implications"

YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS MONTHS AGO

Some MPs walked out of a private meeting of the committee as the report was being finalised, saying it was too "gloomy".

look at these fucking babies

[Souseiseki]

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... healthcare

ahahaha dear god you are so fucked it's not even funny an entire industry

[The Conez Imperium]

This is something worth talking about (in a way that isn't "military dick waving" because Britain was always against (for obvious and good reasons) a European Army; the paradox is that it leaving makes it much more likely politically but much less feasible materially: Europe has lost a major military power (in Europe). Half its nuclear submarines, a fifth of its military aircraft, attack helicopters and main battle tanks etc etc. I suspect they will simply continue to enlargen their multi-national brigades within NATO and the EU.

I love swedish military tech but its probably not the best place to discuss it. In other news

In continuation with the last idea however, I would strongly think that the UK will not leave the EU military. The UK military command realise their defense lies in Europe and not the English channel.

[Marado]

This is something worth talking about (in a way that isn't "military dick waving" because Britain was always against (for obvious and good reasons) a European Army; the paradox is that it leaving makes it much more likely politically but much less feasible materially: Europe has lost a major military power (in Europe). Half its nuclear submarines, a fifth of its military aircraft, attack helicopters and main battle tanks etc etc. I suspect they will simply continue to enlargen their multi-national brigades within NATO and the EU.

I love swedish military tech but its probably not the best place to discuss it. In other news

In continuation with the last idea however, I would strongly think that the UK will not leave the EU military. The UK military command realise their defense lies in Europe and not the English channel.

Sadly, if the Americans decide to abolish NATO, that won't be good for Europe.

[The Conez Imperium]

I love swedish military tech but its probably not the best place to discuss it. In other news

In continuation with the last idea however, I would strongly think that the UK will not leave the EU military. The UK military command realise their defense lies in Europe and not the English channel.

Sadly, if the Americans decide to abolish NATO, that won't be good for Europe.

I doubt it. No one in the Pentagon will be happy to see the end of such an advantageous military/political alliance.

[Marado]

Sadly, if the Americans decide to abolish NATO, that won't be good for Europe.

I doubt it. No one in the Pentagon will be happy to see the end of such an advantageous military/political alliance.

Maybe to hold off Russia?

[Vassenor]

So why is a EuroArmy a bad idea then?

[Marado]

So why is a EuroArmy a bad idea then?

A...what?

[Vassenor]

So why is a EuroArmy a bad idea then?

A...what?

This thing that we were totally going to be forced into if we didn't get out immediately.

[Marado]

A...what?

This thing that we were totally going to be forced into if we didn't get out immediately.

I don't live in Europe, so I'm safe.

[Fartsniffage]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39492829

Why are we still using these dirty European standards?