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Geilinor wrote:

Salandriagado wrote:AC) Family work right (maternity/paternity leave, ban on being fired for getting pregnant) [Equality Act]

A ban on eugenics
A ban on selling human body parts
A ban on growing human clones in artificial wombs
Some of the right to marriage
Right to conscientious objection
Right to found schools
Right to social housing
Right to healthcare
Anti-organised crime cooperation.


And that's it. Anybody else think they've got some slightly odd priorities there?

Are they repealing the Equality Act or something? How does that even relate to Brexit or the EU?

as i understand these are all things covered by the european charter of fundamental rights and subsequent ECJ judgements. the UK wants to avoid incorporating those into law, so all of them will be gone unless they specifically make new laws to keep them. which they might or might not. in the case of things like rights specifically, they will always be worse than what we have now because there is no real framework by which parliament can challenged for violating/repealing these rights at whim. one of the big problems with europe is that people don't realize they don't have anywhere near as many rights as they think they do under british law and a lot of what we take forgranted is actually part of european law.

So, is Brexit still happening?

Salus Maior wrote:So, is Brexit still happening?

yes

Souseiseki wrote:

Salus Maior wrote:So, is Brexit still happening?

yes

Any chance in that turning around?

Salus Maior wrote:

Souseiseki wrote:
yes

Any chance in that turning around?

maybe.

the whole thing is a mess but our good brexit friends have, deliberately, fired up the population and burned all our bridges. so even if it turns out it's a terrible idea and we don't want to do it they've essentially locked us into it. which, again, is entirely deliberate by their own admission. so now we're basically stuck going along with their plan of "there is no plan. what do you mean there's no plan? i thought you had the plan!" unless there's a seismic shift in people's opinions. we're not even sure if we can turn back, because nobody apparently even attempted to get clarification on the issue from the relevant bodies, because they pushed it through as fast as they possibly could.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 40331.html

we still can't even decide if we're willing to sacrifice freedom of movement for the single market or not

Souseiseki wrote:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-single-market-access-freedom-of-movement-eu-research-a7840331.html

we still can't even decide if we're willing to sacrifice freedom of movement for the single market or not

What the fuck is going on? This thing seems to become a even bigger clusterfuck as the days go by.

FelrikTheDeleted wrote:

Souseiseki wrote:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-single-market-access-freedom-of-movement-eu-research-a7840331.html

we still can't even decide if we're willing to sacrifice freedom of movement for the single market or not

What the fuck is going on? This thing seems to become a even bigger clusterfuck as the days go by.

the secret is that it was always a clusterfuck

Souseiseki wrote:

FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
What the fuck is going on? This thing seems to become a even bigger clusterfuck as the days go by.

the secret is that it was always a clusterfuck

Seems to be quite the trend in Europe.

Souseiseki wrote:

FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
What the fuck is going on? This thing seems to become a even bigger clusterfuck as the days go by.

the secret is that it was always a clusterfuck

(grin) If only someone had warned us about this a year and a half ago......

Calladan wrote:

Souseiseki wrote:
the secret is that it was always a clusterfuck

(grin) If only someone had warned us about this a year and a half ago......

It wouldn't have mattered. It was a clusterfuck before that time.

Geilinor wrote:

Salandriagado wrote:AC) Family work right (maternity/paternity leave, ban on being fired for getting pregnant) [Equality Act]

A ban on eugenics
A ban on selling human body parts
A ban on growing human clones in artificial wombs
Some of the right to marriage
Right to conscientious objection
Right to found schools
Right to social housing
Right to healthcare
Anti-organised crime cooperation.


And that's it. Anybody else think they've got some slightly odd priorities there?

Are they repealing the Equality Act or something? How does that even relate to Brexit or the EU?

No. As mentioned, the things in square brackets are the laws that continue to give people in the UK those rights after the passage of this law.

FelrikTheDeleted wrote:

Souseiseki wrote:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-single-market-access-freedom-of-movement-eu-research-a7840331.html

we still can't even decide if we're willing to sacrifice freedom of movement for the single market or not

What the fuck is going on? This thing seems to become a even bigger clusterfuck as the days go by.

It makes more sense, sort of, when you remember that nobody behind Brexit actually wanted or expected it to happen. The referendum was supposed to fail and then all of them would spin it to their own political benefit. Cameron would be able to reign in his backbenchers, Farage would get to bang the drums about how close they were, etc. But then it actually passed, and nobody had any clue how to react or what to do because there was never any plan for something that was never supposed to happen.

And then May came along and went, "You know, just because using Brexit as a self-serving political stunt backfired spectacularly for Cameron, that doesn't mean I can't pull it off!" So she invoked Article 50, thus triggering the countdown, and then promptly called a general election that she said she wouldn't, and used it as an excuse to do absolutely nothing regarding Brexit for months..and then got humiliated in the election, so now there's still no actual plan for Brexit, and the UK is in an even weaker negotiating position than it was before.

Thus the present situation, where negotiations are a clusterfuck and the Brexiters are reduced to whining about how it's totally unfair of the EU to take advantage of the fact that they're totally incompetent and have no idea what they're doing or even what they actually want out of Brexit.

Source: http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britai ... KKBN19Z0QG

Sometimes I feel that the Brexit will result in a near-total exodus of businesses under the current circumstances, leaving London with a ghost central business district: I cannot blame them for leaving the UK.

Sometimes I even fear that even Amazon and eBay will end their local services for the UK, also under the current circumstances.

It looks like the divorce from the EU is going to be more costly than the brazen Brexiteers promised it would be.

Minoa wrote:Source: http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britai ... KKBN19Z0QG

Sometimes I feel that the Brexit will result in a near-total exodus of businesses under the current circumstances, leaving London with a ghost central business district: I cannot blame them for leaving the UK.

Sometimes I even fear that even Amazon and eBay will end their local services for the UK, also under the current circumstances.

Because all business in the UK will grind to a halt because of Brexit. It's only a major economy because of the EU, and without it we will all be destitute.

Dooom35796821595 wrote:

Minoa wrote:Source: http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britai ... KKBN19Z0QG

Sometimes I feel that the Brexit will result in a near-total exodus of businesses under the current circumstances, leaving London with a ghost central business district: I cannot blame them for leaving the UK.

Sometimes I even fear that even Amazon and eBay will end their local services for the UK, also under the current circumstances.

Because all business in the UK will grind to a halt because of Brexit. It's only a major economy because of the EU, and without it we will all be destitute.

it's unlikely amazon and ebay will end local services for the UK, though thinking about it if we completely fuck it up there is a chance they will struggle to get things through the border in a timely fashion. turns out brexit is actually super complicated.

Souseiseki wrote:

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Because all business in the UK will grind to a halt because of Brexit. It's only a major economy because of the EU, and without it we will all be destitute.

it's unlikely amazon and ebay will end local services for the UK, though thinking about it if we completely fuck it up there is a chance they will struggle to get things through the border in a timely fashion. turns out brexit is actually super complicated.

I'm actually wondering if we won't just end up cancelling article 50 because it's too much work.

Seriously, we've had a Brexit secretary for what, 4 months? And he hasn't made a damn bit of progress. Been a year since the referendum yet we still don't have a plan, they're letting Bojo mouth off at every opportunity, Liam fox thinks buying ties will offset Brexit. Complete and utter morons.

Dooom35796821595 wrote:

Souseiseki wrote:
it's unlikely amazon and ebay will end local services for the UK, though thinking about it if we completely fuck it up there is a chance they will struggle to get things through the border in a timely fashion. turns out brexit is actually super complicated.

I'm actually wondering if we won't just end up cancelling article 50 because it's too much work.

Seriously, we've had a Brexit secretary for what, 4 months? And he hasn't made a damn bit of progress. Been a year since the referendum yet we still don't have a plan, they're letting Bojo mouth off at every opportunity, Liam fox thinks buying ties will offset Brexit. Complete and utter morons.

Calling those fine specimes of pure Britishness morons shall be considered treason in the nearby future. And let's face it, the technically still active medieval laws of the United Kingdom are probably very clear about what to do with traitors to the crown and God Himself.

Hurdergaryp wrote:It looks like the divorce from the EU is going to be more costly than the brazen Brexiteers promised it would be.

So the government blinked then.

#strongandstable

Vassenor wrote:

Hurdergaryp wrote:It looks like the divorce from the EU is going to be more costly than the brazen Brexiteers promised it would be.

So the government blinked then.

#strongandstable

Feels more like #weakandunstable, like my current state of health.

If there ever is a referendum to scrap the Brexit, I would still vote to remain in the EU.

Dooom35796821595 wrote:

Souseiseki wrote:
it's unlikely amazon and ebay will end local services for the UK, though thinking about it if we completely fuck it up there is a chance they will struggle to get things through the border in a timely fashion. turns out brexit is actually super complicated.

I'm actually wondering if we won't just end up cancelling article 50 because it's too much work.

If only someone had told them how difficult leaving the EU would be.

Ifreann wrote:

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
I'm actually wondering if we won't just end up cancelling article 50 because it's too much work.

If only someone had told them how difficult leaving the EU would be.

It's not the difficulty, it's their attitude of working a few days a month. Wish I could get a six figure paycheck for several hours of work a week.

Dooom35796821595 wrote:

Ifreann wrote:If only someone had told them how difficult leaving the EU would be.

It's not the difficulty, it's their attitude of working a few days a month. Wish I could get a six figure paycheck for several hours of work a week.

Should be an election in a few years, maybe you can.

Ifreann wrote:

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
It's not the difficulty, it's their attitude of working a few days a month. Wish I could get a six figure paycheck for several hours of work a week.

Should be an election in a few years, maybe you can.

Meh...I'm not a politician, and would be terrible at party politics, constantly telling the leadership their ideas are stupid and ideologically driven. Not the way to get listed.