BREXIT Mega Thread (The Saga Begins?)

[Bressen]

This year doesn't cover the scope of the refugee crisis, as there are plenty other terrorist attacks that have happened last year and the year before across Europe, when the refugee crisis was in full throttle.
Even with that said, ISIS is also using the refugee crisis to funnel in extremist preachers, who are radicalising members of local populations. That explains why many terrorist attackers were British-born, and noticeably have changed their names to Middle Eastern variants. Regardless of birth-place, the problem of radicalisation is still occurring as a result of the migrant crisis and ISIS exploiting it.
Many of the terrorists (e.g. the most recent London Bridge attacker) go to the Middle East as well, where they are radicalised by ISIS cells there.

And I can only think of one incident in the last five years that might have involved a refugee. And I am still waiting for actual evidence and not just anecdotes.

I don't understand this anecdote argument you keep making. I'm not extrapolating and conflating one terrorist incident to account for all terrorist incidents, I'm just saying the facts of the matter - ISIS are exploiting the refugee crisis to infiltrate Western nations, radicalising members of local populations and converting them to their Islamic fundamentalism to perpetuate terror attacks. All the recorded attacks and their investigations are out there plain for everyone to see, and ISIS exploitation of the refugee crisis is well-documented and widely known.

None of this information is beyond the realm of what is considered to be conspiracy, and all of it is used as common political and news talking points surrounding the issues of the refugee crisis. If you're desperate to find sources and studies for these points, you've got a whole wealth of knowledge at your fingertips. Just because I'm too lazy to source these talking points to you doesn't mean they're automatically incorrect.

[Vassenor]

And I can only think of one incident in the last five years that might have involved a refugee. And I am still waiting for actual evidence and not just anecdotes.

I don't understand this anecdote argument you keep making. I'm not extrapolating and conflating one terrorist incident to account for all terrorist incidents, I'm just saying the facts of the matter - ISIS are exploiting the refugee crisis to infiltrate Western nations, radicalising members of local populations and converting them to their Islamic fundamentalism to perpetuate terror attacks. All the recorded attacks and their investigations are out there plain for everyone to see, and ISIS exploitation of the refugee crisis is well-documented and widely known.

None of this information is beyond the realm of what is considered to be conspiracy, and all of it is used as common political and news talking points surrounding the issues of the refugee crisis. If you're desperate to find sources and studies for these points, you've got a whole wealth of knowledge at your fingertips. Just because I'm too lazy to source these talking points to you doesn't mean they're automatically incorrect.

#notmyjobtoeducateyou

If you can't be bothered to provide actual evidence in support of your claims I have no reason to believe them.

[Bressen]

I don't understand this anecdote argument you keep making. I'm not extrapolating and conflating one terrorist incident to account for all terrorist incidents, I'm just saying the facts of the matter - ISIS are exploiting the refugee crisis to infiltrate Western nations, radicalising members of local populations and converting them to their Islamic fundamentalism to perpetuate terror attacks. All the recorded attacks and their investigations are out there plain for everyone to see, and ISIS exploitation of the refugee crisis is well-documented and widely known.

None of this information is beyond the realm of what is considered to be conspiracy, and all of it is used as common political and news talking points surrounding the issues of the refugee crisis. If you're desperate to find sources and studies for these points, you've got a whole wealth of knowledge at your fingertips. Just because I'm too lazy to source these talking points to you doesn't mean they're automatically incorrect.

#notmyjobtoeducateyou

If you can't be bothered to provide actual evidence in support of your claims I have no reason to believe them.

Alright, don't believe them. Your automatic disbelief isn't my problem lol.

[Questers]

I don't understand this anecdote argument you keep making. I'm not extrapolating and conflating one terrorist incident to account for all terrorist incidents, I'm just saying the facts of the matter - ISIS are exploiting the refugee crisis to infiltrate Western nations, radicalising members of local populations and converting them to their Islamic fundamentalism to perpetuate terror attacks. All the recorded attacks and their investigations are out there plain for everyone to see, and ISIS exploitation of the refugee crisis is well-documented and widely known.

None of this information is beyond the realm of what is considered to be conspiracy, and all of it is used as common political and news talking points surrounding the issues of the refugee crisis. If you're desperate to find sources and studies for these points, you've got a whole wealth of knowledge at your fingertips. Just because I'm too lazy to source these talking points to you doesn't mean they're automatically incorrect.

#notmyjobtoeducateyou

If you can't be bothered to provide actual evidence in support of your claims I have no reason to believe them.

And I can only think of one incident in the last five years that might have involved a refugee. And I am still waiting for actual evidence and not just anecdotes.

All of the attacks in Germany have been my migrants. And 2 of the 9 terrorists of the November 2015 attacks, and more were French or Belgian citizens who returned to Europe with the migrants.

[Neu Leonstein]

Ok, so May's 'generous offer' (we'll get full details from DExEU on Monday): http://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-c ... -citizens/

The British prime minister told leaders a “cut-off date” would be subject to discussion, but would be no earlier than before the triggering of Article 50 and no later than the U.K’s exit from the European Union.

According to an outline of her position provided by May’s office, the British prime minister set out three different scenarios for how EU citizens currently living in the U.K. could achieve “settled status” — which would aim to treat EU citizens as if they are U.K. citizens for healthcare, education, benefits and pensions purposes.

Any EU citizen who has been living in the U.K. for five years when the agreed cut-off date is set will be granted “U.K. settled status.”

EU citizens who arrive before the cut-off date, but with fewer than five years residence, will be given time to stay until they have the five years of residence to obtain settled status.

There will also be a “grace period” — which is yet to be determined but is expected to be up to two years — which would allow EU citizens arriving after the cut-off date, but before the U.K. leaves the EU, to “regularize” their status under new rules. The details of potential immigration status options post Brexit are yet to be determined and could form part of a future immigration bill.

My first reaction to this: not good enough for me. I only arrived on the morning after the referendum, so I only have a year now. My work stint here is currently limited, so unless I change employer to a permanent job in Britain, I get nada.

Prefer the EU's offer: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/brexit- ... kingdom_en

[Neu Leonstein]

Actually, the more I think about this, the more crap it is. Doesn't this effectively just amount to 'we promise not to deport you for the next five years'? Because people are eligible for PR after five years anyway?

[HMS Queen Elizabeth]

I hope Neu Leonstein gets deported back to Australia.

[Neu Leonstein]

I hope Neu Leonstein gets deported back to Australia.

Aww, shucks. I hadn't really decided on anything, but now I have to hang around just to rub it in.

[Vassenor]

#notmyjobtoeducateyou

If you can't be bothered to provide actual evidence in support of your claims I have no reason to believe them.

Alright, don't believe them. Your automatic disbelief isn't my problem lol.

You were the one trying to convince me that there was no xenophobia involved in anti-immigrant rhetoric. If you can't be bothered to actually demonstrate that point...

[Ifreann]

I hope Neu Leonstein gets deported back to Australia.

Given May's unqualified successes in negotiating with the DUP, I dare say he'll be granted leave to reside in Britain permanently and gifted a Freddo bar.

[HMS Queen Elizabeth]

I hope Neu Leonstein gets deported back to Australia.

Given May's unqualified successes in negotiating with the DUP, I dare say he'll be granted leave to reside in Britain permanently and gifted a Freddo bar.

Forcing him to live in the Stygian wasteland of post-EU Britain will be satisfaction enough for me.

[Hurdergaryp]

Given May's unqualified successes in negotiating with the DUP, I dare say he'll be granted leave to reside in Britain permanently and gifted a Freddo bar.

Forcing him to live in the Stygian wasteland of post-EU Britain will be satisfaction enough for me.

Your cruelty knows no bounds, I see.

[Neu Leonstein]

Forcing him to live in the Stygian wasteland of post-EU Britain will be satisfaction enough for me.

#RockHardPlace
#LondonIndyRef

[Neu Leonstein]

Anyway, as an aside, the EU Council meeting just settled on a procedure to decide on where various London-based agencies will go. Apparently it took like four minutes to come to a decision. They are very keen on not letting any sort of crack appear in the common position.

[Olerand]

Anyway, as an aside, the EU Council meeting just settled on a procedure to decide on where various London-based agencies will go. Apparently it took like four minutes to come to a decision. They are very keen on not letting any sort of crack appear in the common position.

So the Medicines Agency and Banking Authority? The latter at least should end up in Frankfurt.

[Neu Leonstein]

So the Medicines Agency and Banking Authority? The latter at least should end up in Frankfurt.

One might think so, yeah... but I guess we'll see. All they've agreed on is how to decide, the decision itself will be in a EU27 minister vote in November.

[Vassenor]

Anyway, as an aside, the EU Council meeting just settled on a procedure to decide on where various London-based agencies will go. Apparently it took like four minutes to come to a decision. They are very keen on not letting any sort of crack appear in the common position.

So the Medicines Agency and Banking Authority? The latter at least should end up in Frankfurt.

Thought everyone thought Dublin was a shoe-in.

[Neu Leonstein]

Thought everyone thought Dublin was a shoe-in.

For the EBA? Seems odd... would make more sense to me to put it next to the ECB. Folks gotta talk to each other all the time anyway. But I suspect it largely depends on whether the Germans want it or not.

Or, as someone said on my twitter today, just put the things on big trains and send them in endless circles around Europe. Then everyone gets a go.

[Fartsniffage]

So the Medicines Agency and Banking Authority? The latter at least should end up in Frankfurt.

Thought everyone thought Dublin was a shoe-in.

Anything to do with banking will end up in Athens.

[Athrax]

Thought everyone thought Dublin was a shoe-in.

Anything to do with banking will end up in Athens.

"How did you bankrupt every bank in two weeks?"
Greece:

[HMS Queen Elizabeth]

Thought everyone thought Dublin was a shoe-in.

For the EBA? Seems odd... would make more sense to me to put it next to the ECB. Folks gotta talk to each other all the time anyway. But I suspect it largely depends on whether the Germans want it or not.

Or, as someone said on my twitter today, just put the things on big trains and send them in endless circles around Europe. Then everyone gets a go.

Is Frankfurt actually the largest banking centre in rEU? I would have guessed Paris.

[Neu Leonstein]

"How did you bankrupt every bank in two weeks?"
Greece:

To be fair, Ireland already knows how to do that!

[Neu Leonstein]

Is Frankfurt actually the largest banking centre in rEU? I would have guessed Paris.

Probably depends how you measure it. And on where the various US banks move their operations. But just considering what the EBA does - as I understand it, they do prudential monitoring of banks, which means sending people to meet with them, sit in their offices to run audits and so on. When stuff goes wrong, they probably are involved too. Especially on the latter, that means working closely with the ECB's Supervisory Authority, so just logistically it would make sense to me to put them across the road from each other.

But yeah, not sure where it'll go. I'm not sure I, or many other people, care that much. Except the EBA's staff, of course... maybe put it up to a vote with them.

[HMS Queen Elizabeth]

That's my question - is EBA mainly a central banking agency that deals with issues related to the money supply, or mainly a private banking agency that deals with investment of private money? Those two are quite different. Frankfurt is more important for the first, but Paris (and maybe Amsterdam) probably more important for the latter.

[Ifreann]

So the Medicines Agency and Banking Authority? The latter at least should end up in Frankfurt.

Thought everyone thought Dublin was a shoe-in.

Ah yeah, we're mad for bankers here.