BREXIT Mega Thread (The Saga Begins?)

[Shamhnan Insir]

Many voices saying that the initial meeting was positive with all parties comfortable with the discussion of the day, which focused a lot on Ireland. However their is also the tone of solidity underlying the EU's points and statements, as if silk were draped on steel. As such it appears the UK has rescinded it's timeline for order of negotiation talks, with it looking like the EU plan of money, Ireland and migrants being the first to be sorted out, and trade coming later.

[Olerand]

Many voices saying that the initial meeting was positive with all parties comfortable with the discussion of the day, which focused a lot on Ireland. However their is also the tone of solidity underlying the EU's points and statements, as if silk were draped on steel. As such it appears the UK has rescinded it's timeline for order of negotiation talks, with it looking like the EU plan of money, Ireland and migrants being the first to be sorted out, and trade coming later.

Which was the only possible beginning anyway. The idea that we could just jump into trade without addressing British financial commitments, or Ireland, or European residents, was a British fantasy.

[Souseiseki]

you have no idea how torn i am on ireland

serve the UK a slice of humble pie and fuck the UK and ireland in the process or get off to the wrong start by offering the UK yet another special snowflake deal to fix the upcoming mess they created

hmm

[HMS Queen Elizabeth]

you have no idea how torn i am on ireland

serve the UK a slice of humble pie and fuck the UK and ireland in the process or get off to the wrong start by offering the UK yet another special snowflake deal to fix the upcoming mess they created

hmm

Wouldn't an EXTREME brexit just fuck the Republicans? Essentially the UK would be able to default on the Good Friday Agreement but we'd already have taken your weapons and there's no USSR/Libya/whatever left around to supply more.

[Ifreann]

you have no idea how torn i am on ireland

serve the UK a slice of humble pie and fuck the UK and ireland in the process or get off to the wrong start by offering the UK yet another special snowflake deal to fix the upcoming mess they created

hmm

Should be great fun for all involved.

[Neu Leonstein]

Ok, so we're underway. Obviously nothing of substance was talked about yet, instead it was about agreeing the rough structure and logistics. They managed to do that, so that's good. One thing to note is that the structure is more or less what the EU asked for: the topics to be discussed regard the separation procedure and not any future arrangements. While Davis is keen to point out that the UK 'gave no ground', it seems like its hope of being able to trade off items of the separation against items of future relationship arrangements will not be realised, at least based on the way these negotiations are structured.

Also seems like we'll get the transparency the EU required and that the UK government seemed so keen to avoid thus far.

Here are the terms of reference: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... _Union.pdf

Terms of Reference for the Article 50 TEU negotiations

The United Kingdom and the European Commission, representing the EU, share the understanding that the following elements will guide the negotiations under Article 50 of the Treaty of the European Union (TEU):

Negotiation Structure

1. The negotiating rounds will consist of plenary sessions and negotiating group meetings.

2. Plenary negotiating sessions should be co-chaired by the Principals and/or Coordinators who have the overall responsibility for managing the negotiating process and provide necessary guidance, as appropriate.

3. The following initial negotiating groups have been established:
− Citizens' rights;
− Financial Settlement;
− Other Separation issues.
In addition, a dialogue on Ireland / Northern Ireland has been launched under the authority of the Coordinators.

4. The Principals may decide to establish additional working groups, subgroups or organise breakout sessions.

5. Each round of negotiations should comprise public officials of both sides only.

Negotiating texts and other negotiating documents

6. Negotiation texts that are intended for discussion at any negotiating round should be shared at least one week in advance wherever possible.

Frequency of Negotiating Rounds

7. Negotiation rounds will be organised once every 4 weeks in principle, unless otherwise decided by mutual consent. Negotiators may meet intersessionally to prepare negotiations, as required.

8. Indicative dates for first sessions have been agreed as per paragraph 9 below. Each round will include discussion of each of the issues set out in Paragraph 3.

9. Indicative dates are:
• Opening: 19th June
• Second round: w/c 17th July
• Third round: w/c 28th August
• Fourth round: w/c 18th September
• Fifth round: w/c 9th October

Language

• English and French will be used, as working languages, during negotiations and in working documents. Interpretation will be provided by the European Commission.

Transparency

• For both parties the default is transparency.
• It is for the Party providing the information to state what, if any, restrictions should apply to their further distribution. .
• Any disclosure by either the United Kingdom or the European Commission of documents originating from the other Party will be subject to prior consultation of the originating party.
• Both Parties will handle negotiating documents in accordance with their respective legislation.

Public messaging

• Where possible, both Parties will seek to agree public statements relating to negotiating rounds.

[Souseiseki]

day #1 we immediately cave in and start using the EU's negotiating timetable despite spending months railing against it, calling into question whether we spent months annoying them for nothing. the EU show the UK negotiating team their paper work outlining what they expect to happen and what their general goals are in regards to issues like finances, ireland, etc. and ask the UK team to show them theirs, only to be told the UK team didn't bother making one and some half-assed white paper from 6 months ago should be good enough.

*tugs collar nervously*

[Vassenor]

day #1 we immediately cave in and start using the EU's negotiating timetable despite spending months railing against it, calling into question whether we spent months annoying them for nothing. the EU show the UK negotiating team their paper work outlining what they expect to happen and what their general goals are in regards to issues like finances, ireland, etc. and ask the UK team to show them theirs, only to be told the UK team didn't bother making one and some half-assed white paper from 6 months ago should be good enough.

*tugs collar nervously*

But they were supposed to be caving to us, not the other way around.

[Great Nepal]

day #1 we immediately cave in and start using the EU's negotiating timetable despite spending months railing against it, calling into question whether we spent months annoying them for nothing. the EU show the UK negotiating team their paper work outlining what they expect to happen and what their general goals are in regards to issues like finances, ireland, etc. and ask the UK team to show them theirs, only to be told the UK team didn't bother making one and some half-assed white paper from 6 months ago should be good enough.

*tugs collar nervously*

Its almost as if a body primarily designed to exert greater influence than one single nation who has experience in international trade negotiations is better and more influential at negotiations then a single nation. Who'd have thought it?

[Frank Zipper]

George Soros seems to think our economy is likely to slow down so much we will need to reverse Brexit.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britai ... KKBN19B1J0

[Ifreann]

George Soros seems to think our economy is likely to slow down so much we will need to reverse Brexit.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britai ... KKBN19B1J0

Stamp your hand for Bre-entry.

[Proctopeo]

George Soros seems to think our economy is likely to slow down so much we will need to reverse Brexit.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britai ... KKBN19B1J0

Clearly he's starting to run out of money to fund protests with. /s

[Questers]

Soros is a worm. We should have assassinated him long ago.

[Ifreann]

Soros is a worm. We should have assassinated him long ago.

Why would we assassinate the man who pays us to enact his evil schemes?

[Olerand]

George Soros seems to think our economy is likely to slow down so much we will need to reverse Brexit.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britai ... KKBN19B1J0

What kind of malevolent prophet? Shut up! Let them out!

[Souseiseki]

in times of such rapid and drastic change it can be good to ground ourselves in the familiar. that is why i am glad to say that the governer of the bank of england still thinks this is essentially guaranteed to make us worse off and, in private, probably thinks it's a bit silly.

[Shamhnan Insir]

George Soros seems to think our economy is likely to slow down so much we will need to reverse Brexit.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britai ... KKBN19B1J0

Stamp your hand for Bre-entry.

I wonder if this will be hard or soft Bre-entry? Returns from the cold void of space tend to get a bit crispy from the atmosphere on the way back in...

[Ifreann]

Stamp your hand for Bre-entry.

I wonder if this will be hard or soft Bre-entry? Returns from the cold void of space tend to get a bit crispy from the atmosphere on the way back in...

It'll be a red, white, and blue Bre-entry, straight into Normandy.

[HMS Queen Elizabeth]

I hope that blowing up the Channel Tunnel is part of the agreement.

[Olerand]

I hope that blowing up the Channel Tunnel is part of the agreement.

The ideal outcome is Barnier and Davis coming out during the last Brexit negotiation in 2019 and declaring that a joint Euro-British scientific team has developed a tectonic plate machine that will be used to remove Britain from Europe physically and anchor it off of the American east coast, effective immediately. The team will try to avoid Ireland as it moves the rest of the British Isles but Ireland, with all of its leprechauns and tax dodging schemes, may get stuck with and be carried along.

That would be the dream, no?

[Fartsniffage]

I hope that blowing up the Channel Tunnel is part of the agreement.

Why? Playing football on a train travelling under the sea might be the coolest thing I've ever done...

[HMS Queen Elizabeth]

I hope that blowing up the Channel Tunnel is part of the agreement.

The ideal outcome is Barnier and Davis coming out during the last Brexit negotiation in 2019 and declaring that a joint Euro-British scientific team has developed a tectonic plate machine that will be used to remove Britain from Europe physically and anchor it off of the American east coast, effective immediately. The team will try to avoid Ireland as it moves the rest of the British Isles but Ireland, with all of its leprechauns and tax dodging schemes, may get stuck with and be carried along.

That would be the dream, no?

If we just sink France, would be distance enough.

[Olerand]

The ideal outcome is Barnier and Davis coming out during the last Brexit negotiation in 2019 and declaring that a joint Euro-British scientific team has developed a tectonic plate machine that will be used to remove Britain from Europe physically and anchor it off of the American east coast, effective immediately. The team will try to avoid Ireland as it moves the rest of the British Isles but Ireland, with all of its leprechauns and tax dodging schemes, may get stuck with and be carried along.

That would be the dream, no?

If we just sink France, would be distance enough.

Still too close. You need to physically detach yourself from the European Continent, that dreadful amalgamation of socialist-fascist-Nazi-Islamist-bureaucratic-pound-thieving nightmare.

[HMS Queen Elizabeth]

If we just sink France, would be distance enough.

Still too close. You need to physically detach yourself from the European Continent, that dreadful amalgamation of socialist-fascist-Nazi-Islamist-bureaucratic-pound-thieving nightmare.

We're already physically detached. Of course there's still NL, but I like NL.

[Olerand]

Still too close. You need to physically detach yourself from the European Continent, that dreadful amalgamation of socialist-fascist-Nazi-Islamist-bureaucratic-pound-thieving nightmare.

We're already physically detached. Of course there's still NL, but I like NL.

But too close. The Channel is tiny. Sure, it's protected you before, but who's to say it will continue to protect you when we become a socialist-fascist-Nazi-Islamist-bureaucratic-pound-thieving nightmarish unitary State? It's all in the Treaty of Rome.

For your own good, you should go. Leave us behind, it's too late for us. Take the Irish with you, if you want, as a last consolation prize.