Golden Dawn: Golden or Not?

[Mikelheim]

I highly doubt that they are socialists

They are National socialist. Which is still socialist.

No - The Nazi's were corporatists, not capitalists or communists.

[San Marlindo]

Well, there is already a brand of Greek ultranationalism and what amounts to nothing short of idolization of Greek culture and history in (south) Cyprus, so I foresee Greece also heading in that direction in the near future.

[Mikelheim]

Yes. I absolutely support the Golden Dawn. Make Greece Great Again!

[Ejutla]

They are National socialist. Which is still socialist.

No - The Nazi's were corporatists, not capitalists or communists.

corporatism is simply the logical conclusion of capitalism...all capitalism leads to corporatism.

[Surkiea]

They are National socialist. Which is still socialist.

No - The Nazi's were corporatists, not capitalists or communists.

The Nazis are communist. Free healthcare, and the seizure of private property, seems very leftist to me.

[Big Brain City]

Golden as a turd. Tribal empathy only fosters disdain of outsiders.

[Mikelheim]

No - The Nazi's were corporatists, not capitalists or communists.

corporatism is simply the logical conclusion of capitalism...all capitalism leads to corporatism.

Corporatism isn't corporatocracy - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism

[Drakonisch]

Yes. I absolutely support the Golden Dawn. Make Greece Great Again!

D E U S V U L T

[Genivaria]

Just not for nazis and fascists.

Can't forget communists.

Sure but they aren't really much of a threat lately.

[Genivaria]

No - The Nazi's were corporatists, not capitalists or communists.

corporatism is simply the logical conclusion of capitalism...all capitalism leads to corporatism.

You're confusing terms, corporatism is closer to state socialism then free market capitalism.

[Genivaria]

No - The Nazi's were corporatists, not capitalists or communists.

The Nazis are communist. Free healthcare, and the seizure of private property, seems very leftist to me.

What fucking nonsense did I just read?
Because what the fuck is nuance right?

[Empire of Cats]

Ironic, isn't it? An ideology that sprang from a country that occupied them and whose ideology was fought against now embraces a watered-down version of that same ideology. Freedom of speech and all aside, it's disconcerting. Maybe they should find a better way of going about what they wish to achieve?

[Drakonisch]

"The Nazis are Communist"

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wot

[Drakonisch]

the polls are tied

shits bout to get nasty

i can feel it

[Empire of Cats]

No - The Nazi's were corporatists, not capitalists or communists.

The Nazis are communist. Free healthcare, and the seizure of private property, seems very leftist to me.

Whoa, whoa, whoa! No, the Nazis weren't communists! Heck, they put the Commies in the camps. Their name may be the National Democratic Socialist German Worker's Party, but they weren't communists any more than the North Koreans are really a "Democratic People's Republic". Generally, if a nation's name (IRL) says "Democratic" or "People's Republic", it's not.

[Empire of Cats]

"The Nazis are Communist"

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My thoughts exactly.

[Genivaria]

"The Nazis are Communist"

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Please spoiler.

[Ejutla]

"The Nazis are Communist"

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hey look something we can agree on

[Drakonisch]

"The Nazis are Communist"

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Please spoiler.

spoiler'd

[Surkiea]

The Nazis are communist. Free healthcare, and the seizure of private property, seems very leftist to me.

What fucking nonsense did I just read?
Because what the fuck is nuance right?

"The Nazis are Communist"

wait

wot

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The Nazis are communist. Free healthcare, and the seizure of private property, seems very leftist to me.

Whoa, whoa, whoa! No, the Nazis weren't communists! Heck, they put the Commies in the camps. Their name may be the National Democratic Socialist German Worker's Party, but they weren't communists any more than the North Koreans are really a "Democratic People's Republic". Generally, if a nation's name (IRL) says "Democratic" or "People's Republic", it's not.

Wow, you leftists get triggered very easily don't you? Maybe communist is the wrong word, is socialist better?

You like to forget the fact that Nazi Germany sized private property from Jewish people, also had free healthcare and that Hitler admitted that he was a leftist

Also there are tons of videos proving it as well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzA7QomW4kY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35Rini9Yu0M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uYEovjx5mg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bNRgw0g-_w

[Genivaria]

What fucking nonsense did I just read?
Because what the fuck is nuance right?

"The Nazis are Communist"

wait

wot

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Whoa, whoa, whoa! No, the Nazis weren't communists! Heck, they put the Commies in the camps. Their name may be the National Democratic Socialist German Worker's Party, but they weren't communists any more than the North Koreans are really a "Democratic People's Republic". Generally, if a nation's name (IRL) says "Democratic" or "People's Republic", it's not.

Wow, you leftists get triggered very easily don't you? Maybe communist is the wrong word, is socialist better?

You like to forget the fact that Nazi Germany sized private property from Jewish people, also had free healthcare and that Hitler admitted that he was a leftist

Also there are tons of videos proving it as well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzA7QomW4kY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35Rini9Yu0M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uYEovjx5mg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bNRgw0g-_w

Trying to 'trigger' people is called trolling.
You don't want to do that.

You don't seem to know very much about either Hitler or the Nazis.

[United Minorities for Self-Defense]

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The Golden Dawn is an ultranationalist, far right party in Greece. Many people call it a racist, neo-nazi party, but since when is Greeks caring for Greeks...

Racist?

Here's an excerpt from a dominantly liberal article on it: "Just three years ago, the far-right Golden Dawn party was a nonentity. An outlandish group modelled after similar neo-Nazi parties of Europe, they caused more bewilderment than fear. Their anger seemed inexplicable and appalling, but also inconsequential. In the 2009 election they got 0.29% of the popular vote, which, in the tiny electorate of Greece, translates to less than 20,000 votes in total.

Then, after the economy crumbled, bailouts were issued, memoranda were signed and the Greek political system imploded, something changed: on the 6 May election, Golden Dawn got almost 7% of the vote (and 21 seats in parliament). More than 440,000 people voted for them.

That's a lot of new neo-Nazis in just three short years." - TheGuardian
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While heres an excerpt from a dominantly conservative article on it: "“Golden Dawn will be the first electoral force in Greece. And this is the optimistic message, because such a patriotic wind is blowing across all of Europe,” party spokesman Ilias Kasidiaris said in a speech to the Greek Parliament last week.

“It’s blowing in the United States, where it appears that the next president will be a patriot president,” he said. “A president who doesn’t want illegal immigrants in his country.”

Though he does not mention Trump by name, he accuses Greece’s other major parties of supporting Clinton." - TimesOfIsrael

I personally like the Golden Dawns ideals.

Your thoughts, NSG?

/discuss

There wrong.

First, it is IMPOSSIBLE to keep people out. IMPOSSIBLE. They will tunnel, jump over and swim where they want to.

Second, Trump is an illicit president. He does not have the formal training to BE president. As an illicit president, I do not recognize his presidency. I recognize that he sits in Washington, but I do not recognize the powers of a President he supposedly has. He is and always will be an illicit President, no matter what. I eagerly await a President that is REALLLY the President, has the training and is elected without Russia's help.

As far as Golden Dawn, the people should instantly rebel against it. Such an organization is built on hopes, none which they can deliver.

[Hoppean Snake]

THEY ARE MY HEROS

[Crockerland]

Obviously not? They're actual neo-nazis.

[United Minorities for Self-Defense]

THEY ARE MY HEROS

Sigh..Why can't we get any REAL adults on here ? Like, I don't know, about 30 years of age ? I just don't know, I just don't know...