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Do you support the Golden Dawn?

Yes! Greeks should care for Greeks.
26
25%
Yes, but I don't like the way they're going about the whole situation.
5
5%
Neutral
7
7%
No, I don't support them.
46
45%
I hate them! They should be outlawed!
19
18%
 
Total votes : 103

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Ejutla
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Postby Ejutla » Tue Mar 28, 2017 1:34 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Ejutla wrote:
Just not for nazis and fascists.


Can't forget communists.


Communists: We want to end all forms of exploitation
Naizs: Let's kill the Jews and declare the "Aryan Race" supreme

absolutely no difference there...
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Thermodolia
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Mar 28, 2017 1:35 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Ejutla wrote:
Just not for nazis and fascists.


Can't forget communists.

Let's just ban all extremists
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Thermodolia
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Mar 28, 2017 1:36 pm

Ejutla wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Can't forget communists.


Communists: We want to end all forms of exploitation
Naizs: Let's kill the Jews and declare the "Aryan Race" supreme

absolutely no difference there...

Communist regimes haven't been very kind to the Jewish people nor have they been peaceful
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I'm agent #69 in the Gaystapo!
>The Sons of Adam: I'd crown myself monarch... cuz why not?
>>Dumb Ideologies: Why not turn yourself into a penguin and build an igloo at the centre of the Earth?
>Xovland: I keep getting ads for printer ink. Sometimes, when you get that feeling down there, you have to look at some steamy printer pictures.
Click for Da Funies

RIP Dya

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Jelmatt
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Postby Jelmatt » Tue Mar 28, 2017 1:44 pm

Ejutla wrote:
Drakonisch wrote:
Yea! Because screw freedom of speech amirite?

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Just not for nazis and fascists.


The point of free speech is to protect even unpopular speech.
This nation does not represent my actual views. A semi-feudal absolute monarchy going through political upheaval.

Leftist; democratic socialist with a helping of civic republicanism.



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What did custom stern divide,
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Where thy gentle wings abide."
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The market is the people Aillyria. You should know this. And if the people want hentai, who are we to question?

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Ejutla
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Postby Ejutla » Tue Mar 28, 2017 1:46 pm

Jelmatt wrote:
Ejutla wrote:
Just not for nazis and fascists.


The point of free speech is to protect even unpopular speech.


Unpopular is one thing, literally advocating genocide is another.
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The Portland Territory
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Postby The Portland Territory » Tue Mar 28, 2017 1:47 pm

I mean, I support them in their fight for making a Greece state for Greeks, and their National Plan, but the fascism and terrorism that many in their party do is quite dishonorable.
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Pro: Absolute Monarchy, Lex Rex, Subsidiarity, Guild Capitalism, Property Rights, Tridentine Catholicism, Unlimited Gun Rights, Hierarchy, Traditionalism, Ethnic Nationalism, Irredentism
Mixed: Fascism, Anarcho Capitalism, Donald Trump
Against: Democracy/ Democratic Republicanism, Egalitarianism, Direct Taxation, Cultural Marxism, Redistribution of Wealth

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Drakonisch
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Postby Drakonisch » Tue Mar 28, 2017 1:47 pm

Ejutla wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Can't forget communists.


Communists: We want to end all forms of exploitation
Naizs: Let's kill the Jews and declare the "Aryan Race" supreme

absolutely no difference there...



Please educate yoursel-

wait
no

let ME educate you.

Communism: In political and social sciences, communism (from Latin communis, "common, universal") is the philosophical, social, political, and economic ideology and movement whose ultimate goal is the establishment of the communist society, which is a socioeconomic order structured upon the common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money, and the state.

So basically you want an economically-screwed anarchy.

mk
got it
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PRO: "Bigotry", "Racism", The Donald, China, Russia
ANTI: SJWs, feminism, nonbinary genders, liberals, universities, anti freedom-of-press (because all news stations spew bullshit), etc.

This is gonna be one hell of a ride.

call me a zealous lunatic all you want, its amusing

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The Portland Territory
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Postby The Portland Territory » Tue Mar 28, 2017 1:47 pm

Ejutla wrote:
Jelmatt wrote:
The point of free speech is to protect even unpopular speech.


Unpopular is one thing, literally advocating genocide is another.

They should be allowed to state their support for it, whether you agree with it or not.
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16 year old Monarchist from Rhode Island. Interested in economics, governance, metaphysical philosophy, European + Near Eastern history, vexillology, faith, hunting, automotive, ranching, science fiction, music, and anime.

Pro: Absolute Monarchy, Lex Rex, Subsidiarity, Guild Capitalism, Property Rights, Tridentine Catholicism, Unlimited Gun Rights, Hierarchy, Traditionalism, Ethnic Nationalism, Irredentism
Mixed: Fascism, Anarcho Capitalism, Donald Trump
Against: Democracy/ Democratic Republicanism, Egalitarianism, Direct Taxation, Cultural Marxism, Redistribution of Wealth

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Lady Scylla
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Postby Lady Scylla » Tue Mar 28, 2017 1:48 pm

Lord, that formatting is absolutely atrocious.

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Drakonisch
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Postby Drakonisch » Tue Mar 28, 2017 1:48 pm

Ejutla wrote:
Jelmatt wrote:
The point of free speech is to protect even unpopular speech.


Unpopular is one thing, literally advocating genocide is another.


>implying all fascists advocate for genocide

*sigh*
"I'm a Catholic whore, currently enjoying congress out of wedlock with my black Jewish boyfriend who works at a military abortion clinic. So, hail Satan, and have a lovely afternoon, madam." - Harry Hart

PRO: "Bigotry", "Racism", The Donald, China, Russia
ANTI: SJWs, feminism, nonbinary genders, liberals, universities, anti freedom-of-press (because all news stations spew bullshit), etc.

This is gonna be one hell of a ride.

call me a zealous lunatic all you want, its amusing

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New Werpland
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Postby New Werpland » Tue Mar 28, 2017 1:49 pm

The Portland Territory wrote:
Ejutla wrote:
Unpopular is one thing, literally advocating genocide is another.

They should be allowed to state their support for it, whether you agree with it or not.

I agree, though they should not be allowed to win elections. Democracy should not be a suicide pact!

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Great Harthund
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Postby Great Harthund » Tue Mar 28, 2017 1:50 pm

The only thing that prevents me from supporting them is support of Neo-Nazi ideas.

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The Portland Territory
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Postby The Portland Territory » Tue Mar 28, 2017 1:50 pm

Lady Scylla wrote:Lord, that formatting is absolutely atrocious.

The OP, really? I kinda like it, it's fresh :blush:
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16 year old Monarchist from Rhode Island. Interested in economics, governance, metaphysical philosophy, European + Near Eastern history, vexillology, faith, hunting, automotive, ranching, science fiction, music, and anime.

Pro: Absolute Monarchy, Lex Rex, Subsidiarity, Guild Capitalism, Property Rights, Tridentine Catholicism, Unlimited Gun Rights, Hierarchy, Traditionalism, Ethnic Nationalism, Irredentism
Mixed: Fascism, Anarcho Capitalism, Donald Trump
Against: Democracy/ Democratic Republicanism, Egalitarianism, Direct Taxation, Cultural Marxism, Redistribution of Wealth

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Lady Scylla
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Postby Lady Scylla » Tue Mar 28, 2017 1:51 pm

Given a cursory glance, they've a muddied history where it appears they flirt with the notion of Naziism -- and that flag by itself just screams 'Nazi'. Such poor design choices these days.

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Lady Scylla
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Postby Lady Scylla » Tue Mar 28, 2017 1:51 pm

The Portland Territory wrote:
Lady Scylla wrote:Lord, that formatting is absolutely atrocious.

The OP, really? I kinda like it, it's fresh :blush:


When you have bad eye-sight, let me know. Some things just scream at you wanting you to get a headache.
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Biancavilla
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Postby Biancavilla » Tue Mar 28, 2017 1:52 pm

Baltenstein wrote:Considering they are literal Neo-Nazis and not the least bit shy about it...



...the verdict should be pretty clear.

It does make it somewhat unintenionally hilarious though, when they try to jump on the "Germany is pushing around poor Greece" bandwagon whey the practically worship Nazi Germany though.


Definitely do not support.
Not all NS Stats apply (especially the tax rate/employment)

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The Portland Territory
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Postby The Portland Territory » Tue Mar 28, 2017 1:53 pm

Lady Scylla wrote:
The Portland Territory wrote:The OP, really? I kinda like it, it's fresh :blush:


When you have bad eye-sight, let me know. Some things just scream at you wanting you to get a headache.

Ah, sorry about that
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16 year old Monarchist from Rhode Island. Interested in economics, governance, metaphysical philosophy, European + Near Eastern history, vexillology, faith, hunting, automotive, ranching, science fiction, music, and anime.

Pro: Absolute Monarchy, Lex Rex, Subsidiarity, Guild Capitalism, Property Rights, Tridentine Catholicism, Unlimited Gun Rights, Hierarchy, Traditionalism, Ethnic Nationalism, Irredentism
Mixed: Fascism, Anarcho Capitalism, Donald Trump
Against: Democracy/ Democratic Republicanism, Egalitarianism, Direct Taxation, Cultural Marxism, Redistribution of Wealth

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Thermodolia
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Mar 28, 2017 2:04 pm

Lady Scylla wrote:
The Portland Territory wrote:The OP, really? I kinda like it, it's fresh :blush:


When you have bad eye-sight, let me know. Some things just scream at you wanting you to get a headache.

Glad I'm not the only one
Male, State Socialist, Cultural Nationalist, Welfare Chauvinist lives somewhere in AZ I'm GAY! Disabled US Military Veteran
I'm agent #69 in the Gaystapo!
>The Sons of Adam: I'd crown myself monarch... cuz why not?
>>Dumb Ideologies: Why not turn yourself into a penguin and build an igloo at the centre of the Earth?
>Xovland: I keep getting ads for printer ink. Sometimes, when you get that feeling down there, you have to look at some steamy printer pictures.
Click for Da Funies

RIP Dya

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Surkiea
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Postby Surkiea » Tue Mar 28, 2017 2:06 pm

Just another group of radical socialists.
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Anti: Russia, Putin, Iran, Assad, Socialism, Communism, Bernie sanders, peace with Russia, North Korea, Fascism, Alt"right", "Palestine", Degenerate "rights", atheism, secularism


Proud bigot.

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Thermodolia
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Mar 28, 2017 2:07 pm

Surkiea wrote:Just another group of radical socialists.

I highly doubt that they are socialists
Male, State Socialist, Cultural Nationalist, Welfare Chauvinist lives somewhere in AZ I'm GAY! Disabled US Military Veteran
I'm agent #69 in the Gaystapo!
>The Sons of Adam: I'd crown myself monarch... cuz why not?
>>Dumb Ideologies: Why not turn yourself into a penguin and build an igloo at the centre of the Earth?
>Xovland: I keep getting ads for printer ink. Sometimes, when you get that feeling down there, you have to look at some steamy printer pictures.
Click for Da Funies

RIP Dya

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Surkiea
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Postby Surkiea » Tue Mar 28, 2017 2:09 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Surkiea wrote:Just another group of radical socialists.

I highly doubt that they are socialists

They are National socialist. Which is still socialist.
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Anti: Russia, Putin, Iran, Assad, Socialism, Communism, Bernie sanders, peace with Russia, North Korea, Fascism, Alt"right", "Palestine", Degenerate "rights", atheism, secularism


Proud bigot.

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Lady Scylla
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Postby Lady Scylla » Tue Mar 28, 2017 2:14 pm

Surkiea wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:I highly doubt that they are socialists

They are National socialist. Which is still socialist.


And the DPRK is a democracy.

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Thermodolia
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Mar 28, 2017 2:15 pm

Surkiea wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:I highly doubt that they are socialists

They are National socialist. Which is still socialist.

Not the same thing at all.
Male, State Socialist, Cultural Nationalist, Welfare Chauvinist lives somewhere in AZ I'm GAY! Disabled US Military Veteran
I'm agent #69 in the Gaystapo!
>The Sons of Adam: I'd crown myself monarch... cuz why not?
>>Dumb Ideologies: Why not turn yourself into a penguin and build an igloo at the centre of the Earth?
>Xovland: I keep getting ads for printer ink. Sometimes, when you get that feeling down there, you have to look at some steamy printer pictures.
Click for Da Funies

RIP Dya

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Postby Greater Istanistan » Tue Mar 28, 2017 2:15 pm

Surkiea wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:I highly doubt that they are socialists

They are National socialist. Which is still socialist.


Friendly reminder that the word "privatization" was invented to describe Nazi economic policy, that the Nazis systematically dismantled both their own internal left-wing elements and labour's power, that the Nazi economic plan constituted one of history's greatest transfers of public-owned resources into private hands in history, that the party was bourgeois in constitution and explicitly called for support from the bourgeois class, and that Hitler's final form of economic policy was actually just coordinating the rich against the poor.

You're gonna have to try a little harder there, fampai!
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Mikelheim
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Postby Mikelheim » Tue Mar 28, 2017 2:36 pm

The Islands of Versilia wrote:I do not, and will never support, a group which harbours racist ideals.

lol

Can I ask you something?

Do you support Israel?
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Yes, I do, actually.

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