"Race Mixing" and "Racial Purity"

[USS Monitor]

can we just all agree that racism is bad ok.

Maybe five years ago, you would have had general agreement on NSG and most of the internet. When I started on NSG back in '05 or whenever it was, we had regular periods (US school term holidays) where the forums would see an unusually high number of racists and Stormfront folks popping up. Edgy teenage boys mostly, and not a few trolls who were just trying for a laugh. But we knew when and why there were there, and dismissed them. Few took such views seriously.

But the internet isn't the same anymore. I don't know why and how it started, but there are more or less no places left where there isn't a substantial undercurrent of reactionary behaviour anymore. Lots of it is just jumping on the bandwagon of the Trumpists and the memes. For others it genuinely seems where in my day any young guy with enough brains to care would either go through a Randroid phase or declare for some sort of left libertarianism, now there seem to be a whole bunch of kids who go through a phase of more authoritarian reactionary ideologies... fascists, Nazis and a fair share of other racists.

One hopes that the fad goes away soon and we can go back to having more fun things to argue about. But in the meantime, while I wholeheartedly agree with your premise, I fear that an appeal to just get along on the internet of 2017 will fall on deaf ears.

The amount of pepe memes and "kek" nations I have to wade through as a moderator just fries my brain. I never thought I'd say this, but I want the bronies back.

[Auristania]

There is no legacy. We're all anatomically modern humans. Your ancestors include neanderthals, an entirely different species to the homo sapiens who bred with them. What made Europe powerful was not anything particularly special about it's inhabitants, but favourable geography.

Check the definition of species. Species can't interbreed. Also that geographic theory is very nice and politically correct but I would like to see a citation on that.

The "There is no legacy" reminds me of what Swedish politicians tell Swedish people about the swedes not having any culture so they must be glad immigrants bring their culture with them.

Race mixing wouldn't take those genes out of the gene pool. Blue eyes and pale skin would still exist. I'm not "racially pure," but still have a very light skin color.

White people being a minority in the world+ light skin and eyes aren't not being as dominant as dark skin and eyes + only white countries getting diversified in such proportion+ white people having less and less children because "muh carreer" and "muh freedom"= Both ethnic and cultural European diversity heavily in danger.

Sure, people with some of these features may still be born but it will be more and more rare untill pretty much disappear eventually.

Not any more. That is the old definition of "species". Politically Correct and Hubristic "biologists" have a new definition.

Lake Victoria, south end of Holy Nile, there are cichlid fish, some are yellow, some are green. According to the NEW definition, they are separate species. Then Scientists did a

fucking

experiment. Put both "species" of fish in a disco environment with weird flashing lights. No-one knew what colour the other was, they could not be racist anymore and they interbred healthy children.

"Doesn't count." say Politically Correct, "they only interbred because of human interference. Don't count. They are separate species."

Another pair of cichlid fish "species" have different mating dances. Then Scientists did a

fucking

experiment. Put both "species" of fish in a disco environment with irregular beat. No-one knew how to do the tribal dance, they could not be racist anymore and they interbred healthy children.

"Doesn't count." say Politically Correct, "they only interbred because of human interference. Don't count. They are separate species."

[Salus Maior]

How is racism ever a good thing?

It is a survival mechanism to ensure that your skin color and other basic traits survive to the next generation undiluted, nothing more or less. Infants for example, recognize that something is wrong if they're held by someone of another race. They instinctually know that it isn't their real mother or father.


All too often, it isn't love but rather lust which is behind an interracial union. They're acting out some fetish they've got from porn or whatever. They're trying to be "cool" or "progressive" when odds are they're just spiting their parents/relatives or family tree. But the real reason I can't approve, is that it isn't fair for the product of such. A child is far better off in society if they're of a single race as opposed to being mixed race.

Skin color isn't something that matters in that way. So I call bullshit. And I'd love to see a source on your second statement.

How do you know that love isn't involved? Define love.

Mixed race children only have issue with racial supremacists and racists in general. It has nothing to do with them.

[Kanadorika]

As long as cultures are somewhat preserved, and the world doesn't turn into a completely homogenous population, I am fine with race mixing. If it got to the where everyone looked alike, that would be incredibly boring. I appreciate diversity in appearance and cultures. But I have no problems with the principle itself.

[Salus Maior]

As long as cultures are somewhat preserved, and the world doesn't turn into a completely homogenous population, I am fine with race mixing. If it got to the where everyone looked alike, that would be incredibly boring. I appreciate diversity in appearance and cultures. But I have no problems with the principle itself.

I don't think there'd ever be a point where everyone just looked alike.

[San Lumen]

As long as cultures are somewhat preserved, and the world doesn't turn into a completely homogenous population, I am fine with race mixing. If it got to the where everyone looked alike, that would be incredibly boring. I appreciate diversity in appearance and cultures. But I have no problems with the principle itself.

You will never have completely homogenous population. What principle are you referring too?

[Thermodolia]

We should stay with our own, white with white black with black. If the Lord wanted us to all look like mud he would have made us that way.

Ya well your lord sounds shity. Also if your god didn't intend for modern day things why are you using a computer?

[Kanadorika]

As long as cultures are somewhat preserved, and the world doesn't turn into a completely homogenous population, I am fine with race mixing. If it got to the where everyone looked alike, that would be incredibly boring. I appreciate diversity in appearance and cultures. But I have no problems with the principle itself.

You will never have completely homogenous population. What principle are you referring too?

The principle of racial mixing itself. Phenotypical diversity could potentially become more restricted as certain traits become exceedingly rare, as is the case the gene causing blue eyes seems to be heading (though it is not expected to die out)
http://www.livescience.com/34228-will-h ... lians.html

[San Lumen]

You will never have completely homogenous population. What principle are you referring too?

The principle of racial mixing itself. Phenotypical diversity could potentially become more restricted as certain traits become exceedingly rare, as is the case the gene causing blue eyes seems to be heading (though it is not expected to die out)
http://www.livescience.com/34228-will-h ... lians.html

What is wrong with racial mixing? Who is anyone to tell someone who they can have a relationship with or have children with?

[Genivaria]

We should stay with our own, white with white black with black. If the Lord wanted us to all look like mud he would have made us that way.

Fucking ironic.

Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being. Genesis 2:7

That is of course assuming I give two shits about your religion.

[Genivaria]

Either way, a god's word isn't law in the western world.

god's word is law everywhere and that's a good thing.

Which god exactly? Because I can assure you that the Abrahamic laws are not everywhere.

[Kanadorika]

The principle of racial mixing itself. Phenotypical diversity could potentially become more restricted as certain traits become exceedingly rare, as is the case the gene causing blue eyes seems to be heading (though it is not expected to die out)
http://www.livescience.com/34228-will-h ... lians.html

What is wrong with racial mixing? Who is anyone to tell someone who they can have a relationship with or have children with?

I don't have a problem with racial mixing. I'm simply stating it would be a shame if it got to the point that it reduced phenotypical diversity.

[Genivaria]

What is wrong with racial mixing? Who is anyone to tell someone who they can have a relationship with or have children with?

I don't have a problem with racial mixing. I'm simply stating it would be a shame if it got to the point that it reduced phenotypical diversity.

If you are viewing that in simply an aesthetic light that's different.
Don't worry when Designer Babies becomes a thing you can have whatever looking children you want.

[The Conez Imperium]

What is wrong with racial mixing? Who is anyone to tell someone who they can have a relationship with or have children with?

I don't have a problem with racial mixing. I'm simply stating it would be a shame if it got to the point that it reduced phenotypical diversity.

It would be a shame, it reminds me of the supremacy of the English language over the world. I sincerely hope we will maintain a multi-lingual world.

[San Lumen]

What is wrong with racial mixing? Who is anyone to tell someone who they can have a relationship with or have children with?

I don't have a problem with racial mixing. I'm simply stating it would be a shame if it got to the point that it reduced phenotypical diversity.

Like I and others have said its doubtful you will ever reach a point where everyone looks the same or whites cease to exist.

[Salus Maior]

We should stay with our own, white with white black with black. If the Lord wanted us to all look like mud he would have made us that way.

For someone who is so attached to Sola Scriptura, you sure missed the fact that there is no Jew or Gentile and that all are one in Christ.

[San Lumen]

I don't have a problem with racial mixing. I'm simply stating it would be a shame if it got to the point that it reduced phenotypical diversity.

It would be a shame, it reminds me of the supremacy of the English language over the world. I sincerely hope we will maintain a multi-lingual world.

I sincerely doubt you will see the extinction of languages on the scale you think.

[Catochristoferson]

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So you're literally saying is that white people shouldn't have a choice in who they have sex with, or whether or not they have children?

[Grave_n_idle]

If zero whites miscegenate, then whites will go extinct...

Basic biology fail.

But what if they did the sums and one year, the scores did not match? What if whites need 5% miscegenation and non whites need 2%?

Need?

[Grave_n_idle]

Oh wow, 33% of NSG is concerned with maintaining racial purity. That's way too many. Seriously. Why?

I suspect the other 67% have some vague understanding of science.

[Grave_n_idle]

I can't in good conscience condone an interracial marriage...

Fortunately, they don't require your approval.

[Internationalist Bastard]

How is racism ever a good thing?

It is a survival mechanism to ensure that your skin color and other basic traits survive to the next generation undiluted, nothing more or less. Infants for example, recognize that something is wrong if they're held by someone of another race. They instinctually know that it isn't their real mother or father.

Isn't saying you don't want to live with or associate with other races a form of racism?

Probably, but I don't believe people from other races are missing out on anything. These are just personal choices that I do my best to live by.

What is wrong with interracial marriage? If two people are in love who cares what their skin color is?

All too often, it isn't love but rather lust which is behind an interracial union. They're acting out some fetish they've got from porn or whatever. They're trying to be "cool" or "progressive" when odds are they're just spiting their parents/relatives or family tree. But the real reason I can't approve, is that it isn't fair for the product of such. A child is far better off in society if they're of a single race as opposed to being mixed race.

My love is a fetish?

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

You know, there is this thing called Science. Where things are proved, disproved, logic applied, etc, and hey - people learn things.

Shocking, innit?

For example the claim that 'God made us all this way'. Ok then. Now bear in mind, I happen to be one of those weird and quite possibly rare, depending on what part of the interwebs you find yourself in, people who are huge into science, and yet - AND YET (hold onto yer shorts, folks) - have a religious bent to 'em.

Say it isn't so, I can almost hear some folks saying already. How can this be? What travesty and horror is this, neh? Yeah, yeah, deal with it.

Look on, ye race purists, and despair ... or rather, just go read and do some research and such, and possibly learn some things about genetics, alleles, phenotypes, and all that good stuff. And perhaps take a moment to grasp the grand design that some of this may just suggest for us, hm?

The lot of you what don't cater to the religious end of things, bear with me here for a mo. Gonna talk to the 'righteous' for a few.

Ponder, if you will for a moment, the complexity of this world we live on. The vastness of just this one globe, the diversity of life, the number of things we've even see go tits up within our living memory, as well as those newly discovered. Now focus in just on ourselves - our bodies, the way we work, the absolute miracle that is sentient life here, folks. Now look at the diversity there. Must have been a heck of a thing to come up with, yes? How about that whole adaptation thing? Some refer to it as 'evolution', but to simplify and avoid the rather silly argument about 'descending from apes' (which it never claims anyway), and just agree that we can, and do, adapt to our ever-changing environment, and have in fact, developed things over the years to allow us to go further than we ever have before in investigating this world of ours, the other critters on it, and all of that. Now if that's part of God's great plan, surely he thought far enough ahead to have been able to foresee all possible ends, yes? And with that, would not have allowed for some of the weird mixes out there that only exist in the realms of science fiction and fantasy, unless he intended them to be.

Now ... if you disagree with me on that point, let me direct you back to claims of 'omniscience' and 'all-powerful' and all that. Not sure an argument of 'wouldn't have planned it that way if he didn't want it to happen', to be honest. We are /human/. We are not anything else. Nor are the various flavors of ourselves. Humans can't breed outside our race. Those critters out there who can are either close enough genetically to allow it, within that grand plan, have infertile offspring, or like us, cannot breed outside their race. There's scientific reasons for all of that, as noted, that you can easily ignore if you so choose, but then you're back to 'God's plan' and 'God doesn't make mistakes'. That, or we end up in a whole other weird discussion about whether or not He does, and what that implies in the grander discussion, and that probably isn't going to go anywhere good.

Oversimplified? Probably, but it still gets to the root of my argument - we're here, we're different in looks, but in God's eyes, we're all His children. You don't have to like it, or approve, but God is probably above all of that so ... have fun one supposes. Another point that may or may not resonate, depending on your flavor of faith, is the idea that we are here for a Purpose. Some suggest a test of ourselves or some such. Wouldn't it be one hell of a grand joke on us if part of that was - you guessed it - making us different enough for it to be a real challenge to actually live the sort of lives He'd want us to? Boy howdy, what a gas - and what a revelation on the other side for those who are dead-set against that sort of thinking. Makes me warm fuzzies all over just picturing it, tbh.

Ponder it, is all I ask. Look a little further than black and white pages in a book, or pulpit rhetoric, or whatever brand of koolaid y'all might be sucking down these days. Pull all the info you can, and attempt to grok in fullness or some such. Whatever works. And if y'all still are hell-bent on 'only folk worth folking around with are folk like me', well so be it. Preferences, as initially stated some pages ago, are just that - preferences. Once it goes past that, then we have ourselves problems worth looking at and doing something about. Don't cross those lines, and we can all still probably get along, even if on opposite sides of the fence.

No worries, mine's bigger and more inclusive. Think I'll hang over here. After all, we've got cookies with black AND white chocolate.

[ThePeacekeepers]

We should stay with our own, white with white black with black. If the Lord wanted us to all look like mud he would have made us that way.

Fucking ironic.

Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being. Genesis 2:7

That is of course assuming I give two shits about your religion.

Ah but we do not all look like mud do we. Beings that we are all different colors and all it is easy to surmise he does not want us all to look like mud as I said before.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Fucking ironic.

That is of course assuming I give two shits about your religion.

Ah but we do not all look like mud do we. Beings that we are all different colors and all it is easy to surmise he does not want us all to look like mud as I said before.

It's hard to accept your deep theological philosophy as you blatantly say racist things