"Race Mixing" and "Racial Purity"

[Saiwania]

So Serena Williams is this prominent Black tennis player who got impregnated by a White man. Now, can anyone guess which color her child is going to come out as? I can.

Her child is most obviously going to be Black like her. Yes, genetically speaking it'd be half-White, but in terms of appearance, (what society really cares about) for all intents and purposes the baby will be Black. Barack Obama is half White but the genetics of nearly all White/Black pairings is such that the White side never expresses itself until far down the line. Barack Hussein Obama looks like any other Black person. So too do nearly all of the other Mulattos (half White and half Black).

All it takes is one Black person in your family tree for your lineage (unless your family is already Black) to take a starkly different direction.

[Dumb Ideologies]

People of different colours intermarrying is usually a sign of cultural assimilation going well - it's much better for society than the alternative of segregated communities-within-comminities who don't have a thing to do with each other.

[Saiwania]

People of different colours intermarrying is usually a sign of cultural assimilation going well - it's much better for society than the alternative of segregated communities-within-comminities who don't have a thing to do with each other.

Wrong. The latter is exactly what should happen, only with all the immigrant groups which are racially or culturally different ideally being kept out to the maximum extent possible. A homogeneous nation state is the ultimate construct to aspire to. But it can't be brought about without people in charge who're willing to have that civilization built and protected from external change.

[Dumb Ideologies]

People of different colours intermarrying is usually a sign of cultural assimilation going well - it's much better for society than the alternative of segregated communities-within-comminities who don't have a thing to do with each other.

Wrong.

Your avatar is literally the unholy result of human and frog mating in a way nature never intended...

[Esternial]

So Serena Williams is this prominent Black tennis player who got impregnated by a White man. Now, can anyone guess which color her child is going to come out as? I can.

Her child is most obviously going to be Black like her. Yes, genetically speaking it'd be half-White, but in terms of appearance, (what society really cares about) for all intents and purposes the baby will be Black. Barack Obama is half White but the genetics of nearly all White/Black pairings is such that the White side never expresses itself until far down the line. Barack Hussein Obama looks like any other Black person. So too do nearly all of the other Mulattos (half White and half Black).

All it takes is one Black person in your family tree for your lineage (unless your family is already Black) to take a starkly different direction.

That's cool and all but nobody cares.

[Dumb Ideologies]

People of different colours intermarrying is usually a sign of cultural assimilation going well - it's much better for society than the alternative of segregated communities-within-comminities who don't have a thing to do with each other.

Wrong. The latter is exactly what should happen, only with all the immigrant groups which are racially or culturally different ideally being kept out to the maximum extent possible. A homogeneous nation state is the ultimate construct to aspire to.

Tight limitations on immigration from those who are likely to be culturally incompatible I can get on board with, but on the basis of skin colour only just seems like a weird and random hangup.

[Esternial]

Wrong. The latter is exactly what should happen, only with all the immigrant groups which are racially or culturally different ideally being kept out to the maximum extent possible. A homogeneous nation state is the ultimate construct to aspire to.

Tight limitations on immigration from those who are likely to be culturally incompatible I can get on board with, but on the basis of skin colour only just seems like a weird and random hangup.

All of us are a little OCD sometimes, I guess.

Get one black ball in the tray of white balls and shit gon' get lit, son.

[Seangoli]

So Serena Williams is this prominent Black tennis player who got impregnated by a White man. Now, can anyone guess which color her child is going to come out as? I can.

Her child is most obviously going to be Black like her. Yes, genetically speaking it'd be half-White, but in terms of appearance, (what society really cares about) for all intents and purposes the baby will be Black. Barack Obama is half White but the genetics of nearly all White/Black pairings is such that the White side never expresses itself until far down the line. Barack Hussein Obama looks like any other Black person. So too do nearly all of the other Mulattos (half White and half Black).

All it takes is one Black person in your family tree for your lineage (unless your family is already Black) to take a starkly different direction.

Except for it doesn't work like that at all. From a white individual's persepctive, a person who is half black and half white is obviously black due to having darker skin. Yet the opposite is actually true for that same person if you take the perspective of many black people. My brother's girlfriend, for instance, gets called white by many of her black friends due to her mixed lineage. She is black to white people and white to black people.

In other words, race is all about perspective. There is nothing immutable about it.

[Seangoli]

People of different colours intermarrying is usually a sign of cultural assimilation going well - it's much better for society than the alternative of segregated communities-within-comminities who don't have a thing to do with each other.

Wrong. The latter is exactly what should happen, only with all the immigrant groups which are racially or culturally different ideally being kept out to the maximum extent possible. A homogeneous nation state is the ultimate construct to aspire to. But it can't be brought about without people in charge who're willing to have that civilization built and protected from external change.

You know, it's rather quaint seeing people espouse early 19th century defunct ideologies. The rest of the modern world has decided that such ideas are complete nonsense, but you do you. Be backwards and stay in the past. I'm sure that'll work out well.

[Saiwania]

You know, it's rather quaint seeing people espouse early 19th century defunct ideologies. The rest of the modern world has decided that such ideas are complete nonsense, but you do you. Be backwards and stay in the past. I'm sure that'll work out well.

I don't believe this is inherently obsolete. If anything, it is becoming more relevant than ever before. We can't allow European nations to become half Muslim much less a quarter Muslim or majority non-White. The values I espouse are exactly what France, Germany, many other countries need right now.

Were I to be in charge of Germany for example, if I was able to dictate policy, it would look most similar to Nazi Germany, only without the violence, and it'd be isolationist with the exception of trade. It'd be tremendous. Even Russia would get on board. It would be 4 to 8+ years of all things German. Making Germany German again!

I wouldn't be able to get rid of all the Turks, but at least the flow of them coming in would get cut off, whilst the flow of them leaving would be expedited. Angela Merkel would so be fired, but unlike Hillary Clinton, she'd really be placed in jail for the horrible people she brought in, all the damage which resulted.

We need a new wave of nationalism to sweep the world to lay the foundations of a brand new era of imperialism that will be even better than the last. If other countries could follow suit with their own versions of this, I'd applaud that.

[Asgardir]

Frankly I look forward to the day when this is barely a question that is asked. Perhaps when great-grandchildren read about "racial purity" in text books the same way we read about divine right of kings etc.

Hey shlomo
Yeah, let's stop teaching the truth. I guess we should stop teaching evolution aswell?

[Arotania]

Were I to be in charge of Germany for example, if I was able to dictate policy, it would look most similar to Nazi Germany, only without the violence, and it'd be isolationist with the exception of trade. It'd be tremendous. Even Russia would get on board. It would be 4 to 8+ years of all things German. Making Germany German again!

Yeah, I bet Russia would love seing §175 StGB reinstated. Also marital rape has already been illegal for nearly 20 years, time to turn back the clock! Women should go back to the kitchen and churn out children for the fatherland! Why should they even be allowed to work without their husband's approval? The last 40 years have been a travesty! Mixed marriages are a danger to society. The churches in the 50ies still got that! Also that bad foreign influence on science, those Jewish quantum physics! German computers should run on good German classical physics!
Bringing in foreign guest workers in the 50ies truely was a travesty. Who needs prosperity when you can have purity?

[Asgardir]

So Serena Williams is this prominent Black tennis player who got impregnated by a White man. Now, can anyone guess which color her child is going to come out as? I can.

Her child is most obviously going to be Black like her. Yes, genetically speaking it'd be half-White, but in terms of appearance, (what society really cares about) for all intents and purposes the baby will be Black. Barack Obama is half White but the genetics of nearly all White/Black pairings is such that the White side never expresses itself until far down the line. Barack Hussein Obama looks like any other Black person. So too do nearly all of the other Mulattos (half White and half Black).

All it takes is one Black person in your family tree for your lineage (unless your family is already Black) to take a starkly different direction.

Except for it doesn't work like that at all. From a white individual's persepctive, a person who is half black and half white is obviously black due to having darker skin. Yet the opposite is actually true for that same person if you take the perspective of many black people. My brother's girlfriend, for instance, gets called white by many of her black friends due to her mixed lineage. She is black to white people and white to black people.

In other words, race is all about perspective. There is nothing immutable about it.

>Race is skin-deep
Nice shilling, rabbi

[Pasong Tirad]

You know, it's rather quaint seeing people espouse early 19th century defunct ideologies. The rest of the modern world has decided that such ideas are complete nonsense, but you do you. Be backwards and stay in the past. I'm sure that'll work out well.

I don't believe this is inherently obsolete. If anything, it is becoming more relevant than ever before. We can't allow European nations to become half Muslim much less a quarter Muslim or majority non-White. The values I espouse are exactly what France, Germany, many other countries need right now.

Were I to be in charge of Germany for example, if I was able to dictate policy, it would look most similar to Nazi Germany, only without the violence, and it'd be isolationist with the exception of trade. It'd be tremendous. Even Russia would get on board. It would be 4 to 8+ years of all things German. Making Germany German again!

I wouldn't be able to get rid of all the Turks, but at least the flow of them coming in would get cut off, whilst the flow of them leaving would be expedited. Angela Merkel would so be fired, but unlike Hillary Clinton, she'd really be placed in jail for the horrible people she brought in, all the damage which resulted.

We need a new wave of nationalism to sweep the world to lay the foundations of a brand new era of imperialism that will be even better than the last. If other countries could follow suit with their own versions of this, I'd applaud that.

This is the biggest pile of fascist, white supremacist bullshit I've ever seen. All it takes is one white man with a bunch of racially-charged ideas about the superiority of white people.

[Asgardir]

I don't believe this is inherently obsolete. If anything, it is becoming more relevant than ever before. We can't allow European nations to become half Muslim much less a quarter Muslim or majority non-White. The values I espouse are exactly what France, Germany, many other countries need right now.

Were I to be in charge of Germany for example, if I was able to dictate policy, it would look most similar to Nazi Germany, only without the violence, and it'd be isolationist with the exception of trade. It'd be tremendous. Even Russia would get on board. It would be 4 to 8+ years of all things German. Making Germany German again!

I wouldn't be able to get rid of all the Turks, but at least the flow of them coming in would get cut off, whilst the flow of them leaving would be expedited. Angela Merkel would so be fired, but unlike Hillary Clinton, she'd really be placed in jail for the horrible people she brought in, all the damage which resulted.

We need a new wave of nationalism to sweep the world to lay the foundations of a brand new era of imperialism that will be even better than the last. If other countries could follow suit with their own versions of this, I'd applaud that.

This is the biggest pile of fascist, white supremacist bullshit I've ever seen. All it takes is one white man with a bunch of racially-charged ideas about the superiority of white people.

>"NANANANANANANAN IT'S RACIST AND SEXIST"'
Go fucking die in a car crash you pile of shit. Sieg fucking heil motherfucker.

[Saiwania]

This is the biggest pile of fascist, white supremacist bullshit I've ever seen. All it takes is one white man with a bunch of racially-charged ideas about the superiority of white people.

I think I provided enough sufficient context to clarify that I don't mean what I say in any genocidal sense. But yes, it is undeniably hard right in politics. I think democracy can be overrated and definitely hasn't worked all that well in my country, where private sector lobbyists buy politicians to work on their behalf instead of the people. A good and strong leader who is in control is a valid solution. Just look at the good work Putin has done for Russia as an example.

So far as the comparison to Nazi Germany I made, the Nazi regime was more than just Hitler or their atrocities. Before World War II, they did some great work for Germany in reversing the Versailles Treaty that they hated. Every other German leader since 1945, I just can't get behind, with maybe the exception of Konrad Adenauer. Even France has had better leadership after World War II, such as Charles de Gaulle.

[Pasong Tirad]

This is the biggest pile of fascist, white supremacist bullshit I've ever seen. All it takes is one white man with a bunch of racially-charged ideas about the superiority of white people.

I think I provided enough sufficient context to clarify that I don't mean what I say in any genocidal sense. But yes, it is undeniably hard right in politics. I think democracy can be overrated and definitely hasn't worked all that well in my country, where private sector lobbyists buy politicians to work on their behalf instead of the people. A good and strong leader who is in control is a valid solution. Just look at the good work Putin has done for Russia as an example.

So far as the comparison to Nazi Germany I made, the Nazi regime was more than just Hitler or their atrocities. Before World War II, they did some great work for Germany in reversing the Versailles Treaty that they hated. Every other German leader since 1945, I just can't get behind, with maybe the exception of Konrad Adenauer. Even France has had better leadership after World War II, such as Charles de Gaulle.

How can you even believe that imperialism and racial segregation/advocating for "racial purity" isn't going to lead to genocide? Complete bogus.

[Saiwania]

How can you even believe that imperialism and racial segregation/advocating for "racial purity" isn't going to lead to genocide? Complete bogus.

Empire building is good provided the strong countries rule over the weaker countries. The strong nations of the world get resources and in exchange, the poor countries that can't take care of themselves get better infrastructure or training while existing as a protectorate. My idea isn't to eliminate the pool of people who don't fit in with the nation states that I want so much as drain it- to use an analogy.

The flow of unwanted immigration from certain countries can be stopped, that is the easy part. For the hard part of getting people who don't fit into the mold I'm after to voluntarily leave, it can be accomplished via mild coercion or even just paying their travel expenses back to their home countries. A Turkish-German whose family has stayed for too long can probably stay, but a more recent arrival can be made to leave. I'm sure I could find many creative ways to achieve the numbers I want.

Preventing unwanted immigrants from coming in to begin with, would be the most effective approach. Germany needs immigrants from the good countries such as Canada, Norway, UK, and so forth. What it doesn't need are people from the bad countries, such as those in north Africa or the middle east.

[Pasong Tirad]

How can you even believe that imperialism and racial segregation/advocating for "racial purity" isn't going to lead to genocide? Complete bogus.

Empire building is good provided the strong countries rule over the weaker countries. The strong nations of the world get resources and in exchange, the poor countries that can't take care of themselves get better infrastructure or training while existing as a protectorate. My idea isn't to eliminate the pool of people who don't fit in with the nation states that I want so much as drain it- to use an analogy.

The flow of unwanted immigration from certain countries can be stopped, that is the easy part. For the hard part of getting people who don't fit into the mold I'm after to voluntarily leave, it can be accomplished via mild coercion or even just paying their travel expenses back to their home countries. A Turkish-German whose family has stayed for too long can probably stay, but a more recent arrival can be made to leave. I'm sure I could find many creative ways to achieve the numbers I want.

Preventing unwanted immigrants from coming in to begin with, would be the most effective approach. Germany needs immigrants from the good countries such as Canada, Norway, UK, and so forth. What it doesn't need are people from the bad countries, such as those in north Africa or the middle east.

Now if that isn't overtly white supremacist I don't know what is. I bet you won't let me enter America because I'm brown.

[Shrilland]

It's impossible to prevent race mixing without extreme paws. There are differences between races and ethnic groups though and the whole pseudo-science against that concept is insane. But sickle cell totally effects everyone equally, right? In my opinion race mixing should be discouraged and policies restricting children should be implemented for all races uniformly.

[Grave_n_idle]

It's impossible to prevent race mixing without extreme paws. There are differences between races and ethnic groups though and the whole pseudo-science against that concept is insane. But sickle cell totally effects everyone equally, right? In my opinion race mixing should be discouraged and policies restricting children should be implemented for all races uniformly.

Pseudoscience =/= actual science I don't like.

[Shrilland]

It's impossible to prevent race mixing without extreme paws. There are differences between races and ethnic groups though and the whole pseudo-science against that concept is insane. But sickle cell totally effects everyone equally, right? In my opinion race mixing should be discouraged and policies restricting children should be implemented for all races uniformly.

Pseudoscience =/= actual science I don't like.

Essentially their argument. Sickle cell is merely one example but there ARE differences between races when it comes to things such as diseases, food tolerances (not the milk meme, generally meat is a bigger issue), immune systems, and so on that cannot be fixed merely through better living conditions. To say all races are the same is an oversimplification at best and outright racist at worse.

[Conscentia]

Pseudoscience =/= actual science I don't like.

Essentially their argument. Sickle cell is merely one example but there ARE differences between races when it comes to things such as diseases, food tolerances (not the milk meme, generally meat is a bigger issue), immune systems, and so on that cannot be fixed merely through better living conditions. To say all races are the same is an oversimplification at best and outright racist at worse.

The argument isn't that races are identical, the argument is that race does not describe the pattern of variation in the human species. Race is an oversimplification.

"Races" as biologically distinct sub-species in the human species do not exist. That's not to say there isn't significant variation in the human species, or that there aren't geographical trends. However, "race" is at best a naive oversimplification. There are no races, only clines. Clines do not allow for a delineation of subspecies. The alleles responsible for "racial" traits are distributed independently of each other, and they are distributed as gradients not allowing for a clear demarcation between populations.

[Shrilland]

Essentially their argument. Sickle cell is merely one example but there ARE differences between races when it comes to things such as diseases, food tolerances (not the milk meme, generally meat is a bigger issue), immune systems, and so on that cannot be fixed merely through better living conditions. To say all races are the same is an oversimplification at best and outright racist at worse.

The argument isn't that races are identical, the argument is that race does not describe the pattern of variation in the human species. Race is an oversimplification.

"Races" as biologically distinct sub-species in the human species do not exist. That's not to say there isn't significant variation in the human species, or that there aren't geographical trends. However, "race" is at best a naive oversimplification. There are no races, only clines. Clines do not allow for a delineation of subspecies. The alleles responsible for "racial" traits are distributed independently of each other, and they are distributed as gradients not allowing for a clear demarcation between populations.

Nobody is arguing against that. The fact is race/ethnicity is the more commonly used term. It's not my fault if most censuses use race istead of cline. Symantics do not discredit my argument.

[Conscentia]

The argument isn't that races are identical, the argument is that race does not describe the pattern of variation in the human species. Race is an oversimplification.

Nobody is arguing against that. The fact is race/ethnicity is the more commonly used term. It's not my fault if most censuses use race istead of cline. Symantics do not discredit my argument.

It's not semantics. You don't understand the concept of "cline" if you think it is simply a synonym for "race".