"Race Mixing" and "Racial Purity"

[Soldati Senza Confini]

The Lord has said to stay apart to avoid division so I believe that is what we must do. I hate no color of people but love all peoples equally.

Yeah that's fucking stupid.

It's fucking stupid not because it's part of Christianity either. It's fucking stupid because it is reading more into it than people should, even as sola scripturists.

Nowhere does it say you shouldn't marry with people from other skin tones. It does say not to marry with people of different cultures or beliefs, but nowhere does it say that we need to be racists in order to keep Christianity or Judaism pure.

[Impireacht]

Yeah that's fucking stupid.

It's fucking stupid not because it's part of Christianity either.

Nowhere does it say you shouldn't marry with people from other skin tones. It does say not to marry with people of different cultures or beliefs, but nowhere does it say that we need to be racists in order to keep Christianity or Judaism pure.

He's talking about Judaism, not Christianity, ans Judaism used to require that you were born into the religion, making it pretty much racially exclusive iirc. (Obviously there's the whole idea you have to marry into your own religion going on too.)

So I dunno, maybe he's an extreme traditionalist or something?

It's still a damned stupid idea.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Didn't insult them simply said Yahweh would've made us look like that if that was his plan.

Okay, I'm lenient and even I think that's racist. Not that you can't go around saying it if you really want to, but it doesn't make you sound like you "love all peoples" when you say they look like mud.


Also, by your logic, all russians are devilish bastards in the eyes of god for their intermingling with the mongols and borrowing of western culture, etc... pretty much every ethnic group has merged with or mingled with another at some point in history, which makes your entire argument even more moot and nonsensical than before.

No, the reason that people oftentimes stick to their own kind is that as far as humans go, like attracts like. Plenty of people see past race, but regardless of whether you care about your partner's race or not, being the same race does allow you to relate more, even if only in one small way, to a person.

I mean, the mere fact he's using Christianity and the Bible to justify his bullshit says more about him than he actually thinks.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

It's fucking stupid not because it's part of Christianity either.

Nowhere does it say you shouldn't marry with people from other skin tones. It does say not to marry with people of different cultures or beliefs, but nowhere does it say that we need to be racists in order to keep Christianity or Judaism pure.

He's talking about Judaism, not Christianity, ans Judaism used to require that you were born into the religion, making it pretty much racially exclusive iirc. (Obviously there's the whole idea you have to marry into your own religion going on too.)

So I dunno, maybe he's an extreme traditionalist or something?

It's still a damned stupid idea.

The dude's a Protestant, so he's basically implying that to be a good Christian one must keep to his or her own race.

The problem is that Christianity is not like Judaism where you are born into it. It's a religion that depends on converts. Judaism doesn't.

[Saiwania]

I mean, the mere fact he's using Christianity and the Bible to justify his bullshit says more about him than he actually thinks.

That is what the Old Testament says. Race can't be separated out from the Bible. If you disagree, it has to be taken up with Yahweh or whichever people wrote the first 24 books of the Bible.

[Farnhamia]

We should stay with our own, white with white black with black. If the Lord wanted us to all look like mud he would have made us that way.

This is borderline trolling. Try expressing yourself in a civil manner. And how do you know what was intended, especially since the color spectrum of "white" people is pretty broad?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I mean, the mere fact he's using Christianity and the Bible to justify his bullshit says more about him than he actually thinks.

That is what the Old Testament says. Race can't be separated out from the Bible. If you disagree, it has to be taken up with Yahweh or whichever people wrote the first 24 books of the Bible.

I mean, if you ignore the fact that Christianity is a religion based upon baptism and not upon being born into it then I suppose you have a point.

The fact that you can't ignore that for Christianity says more about him than it does about me. I'm not the one who has to take it up with the people who wrote the first 24 books of the Bible because I'm a Christian anyways.

[Grave_n_idle]

I mean, the mere fact he's using Christianity and the Bible to justify his bullshit says more about him than he actually thinks.

That is what the Old Testament says. Race can't be separated out from the Bible.

In what way?

The Hebrew scripture has very little to say about 'race'. It does talk about certain sinful behaviours and certain geographies - but that's not the same thing.

[Impireacht]

He's talking about Judaism, not Christianity, ans Judaism used to require that you were born into the religion, making it pretty much racially exclusive iirc. (Obviously there's the whole idea you have to marry into your own religion going on too.)

So I dunno, maybe he's an extreme traditionalist or something?

It's still a damned stupid idea.

The dude's a Protestant, so he's basically implying that to be a good Christian one must keep to his or her own race.

The problem is that Christianity is not like Judaism where you are born into it. It's a religion that depends on converts. Judaism doesn't.

Since when do Protestants refer to God as Yahweh? Huh.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

The dude's a Protestant, so he's basically implying that to be a good Christian one must keep to his or her own race.

The problem is that Christianity is not like Judaism where you are born into it. It's a religion that depends on converts. Judaism doesn't.

Since when do Protestants refer to God as Yahweh? Huh.

Eh, I've known a lot of protestants who do. Is not new. I've been almost corrected incessantly by Protestants to say Yahweh instead of God, and I tell them right off "whatever, you say it one way I say it another. We both know what we're talking about".

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

Welp. The kid has yet to respond to anything I posted, so ... there's that. The whole 'scriptures say' remains a somewhat ignorant argument at best, given how many times they've been passed around, translated, retranslated, mistranslated, abridged, rewritten, mucked about with, etc. While I like to look for positive messages there, I also acknowledge there is a whole lotta ... well, downright evil stuff in those pages. Denying it by writing it off as 'But God Said' is dangerously blind. And irresponsible, to boot.

Religion to me is this - something to lift us up, help us be better people. If one's faith isn't doing that, but instead, enabling you to excuse poor treatment of others, I respectfully suggest that it may need some soul-searching and a deeper investigation. And yes, I do hold my own to that same measure, and have questioned various things and comments that have come out of it on account.

[ThePeacekeepers]

We should stay with our own, white with white black with black. If the Lord wanted us to all look like mud he would have made us that way.

This is borderline trolling. Try expressing yourself in a civil manner. And how do you know what was intended, especially since the color spectrum of "white" people is pretty broad?

I've given the scripture and I'm looking through kings to express the main point about not mingling seeds. I have expressed myself in a civil manner and have not sought to offend anyone. As I said, I love all peoples no matter the color.

[ThePeacekeepers]

He's talking about Judaism, not Christianity, ans Judaism used to require that you were born into the religion, making it pretty much racially exclusive iirc. (Obviously there's the whole idea you have to marry into your own religion going on too.)

So I dunno, maybe he's an extreme traditionalist or something?

It's still a damned stupid idea.

The dude's a Protestant, so he's basically implying that to be a good Christian one must keep to his or her own race.

The problem is that Christianity is not like Judaism where you are born into it. It's a religion that depends on converts. Judaism doesn't.

I did not say it was a sin, I said that is what the lord intended for us to do, we may do otherwise if we so wish. It is not a sin under the new covenant.
Please do not twist my words. If you did not understand what I said, I apologize for that.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

I did not say it was a sin, I said that is what the lord intended for us to do, we may do otherwise if we so wish. It is not a sin under the new covenant.
Please do not twist my words. If you did not understand what I said, I apologize for that.

Please, do let me know the next time you and the lord sit down over tea to discuss His opinions on what He intends, or intended through the scriptures. I'm dying to know. In the meantime, perhaps you could answer questions and commentary of a more thought-provoking sort. Would you kindly?

[San Lumen]

It doesn't matter what someone's race or ethnic background is. Love is blind to color and I happen to think mixed race people are absolutely beautiful. There is no fetish or hipster thing involved when it comes to love and relationships or having children despite what a previous poster said. It is no ones place to tell someone who they can marry or procreate with aside from the obvious exceptions.

[Salus Maior]

I mean, the mere fact he's using Christianity and the Bible to justify his bullshit says more about him than he actually thinks.

That is what the Old Testament says. Race can't be separated out from the Bible. If you disagree, it has to be taken up with Yahweh or whichever people wrote the first 24 books of the Bible.

It wasn't necessarily about race. Like skin color (because pretty much all the peoples the Israelites were told not to mingle with would be the same skin color).

It was a matter of not mixing with people of other religions that would lead one away from orthodox practice.

[Salus Maior]

I did not say it was a sin, I said that is what the lord intended for us to do, we may do otherwise if we so wish. It is not a sin under the new covenant.
Please do not twist my words. If you did not understand what I said, I apologize for that.

Working outside of God's Will ("what the Lord intends for us to do") is the definition of sinful.

So it is not working outside of God's Will to marry one of another race. In any sense of the word.

We are all truly one in Yahshua, but to avoid division among brethren and maintain the preservation of our culture we should all do as the Lord has said and stay with our own color.

The Lord has said no such thing. And the logic behind that statement is dreadful.

Here's two, the specific one im talking about I'll look into later and edit this when i find it. Though i think it is in 1 kings i'll keep looking though.
1kings 11:1-2
11 But king Solomon loved many strange women, together with the daughter of Pharaoh, women of the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Zidonians, and Hittites:

2 Of the nations concerning which the Lord said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall not go in to them, neither shall they come in unto you: for surely they will turn away your heart after their gods: Solomon clave unto these in love.

Deuteronomy 7:3-4
3 Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son.

4 For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the Lord be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly.

but since this isn't a thread for discussing Christianity I won't post about it anymore. I have already said what I came here to say.

These verses are not about marrying other races. It's about not marrying unequally yolked, intermingling with people who would pull you away from God.

And furthermore, these verses have to do with ancient Israel, not Christ and the Church.

[Saiwania]

Instead of adjusting my world view to fit more closely with facts, I prefer to try to force the facts into my world view. I've come to my conclusion: that race mixing is bad, therefore I have to do my best to minimize what contradicts that and maximize what supports it. I desperately want the Bible's scriptures to say that God forbids interracial marriage.

[Weev]

Absolutely not.

[Neanderthaland]

Instead of adjusting my world view to fit more closely with facts, I prefer to try to force the facts into my world view. I've come to my conclusion: that race mixing is bad, therefore I have to do my best to minimize what contradicts that and maximize what supports it. I desperately want the Bible's scriptures to say that God forbids interracial marriage.

You know, it's weird to hear someone just come out and say that they embody fallacious reasoning.

You do realize that you just admitted your world view is wrong?

[Weev]

When the multicultural experiment fails and all races revert to living amongst their own people, would you rather your children go to a black country or a white one?

[Bakery Hill]

When the multicultural experiment fails and all races revert to living amongst their own people, would you rather your children go to a black country or a white one?

"revert"

do u even history bro?

[Bakery Hill]

The dude's a Protestant, so he's basically implying that to be a good Christian one must keep to his or her own race.

The problem is that Christianity is not like Judaism where you are born into it. It's a religion that depends on converts. Judaism doesn't.

I did not say it was a sin, I said that is what the lord intended for us to do, we may do otherwise if we so wish. It is not a sin under the new covenant.
Please do not twist my words. If you did not understand what I said, I apologize for that.

Give me citations from scripture pls

[Weev]

When the multicultural experiment fails and all races revert to living amongst their own people, would you rather your children go to a black country or a white one?

"revert"

do u even history bro?

Yes, I do. That's why I said it.

[Bakery Hill]

"revert"

do u even history bro?

Yes, I do. That's why I said it.

ur wrong