Do atheist worry about eternal damnation?

[The Grene Knyght]

Atheists not just not believe in God, but they also oppose Him, as has been demonstrated here.

How can you oppose something you don't believe in?

Maybe Gim means atheists oppose belief in god? Which, granted, many do.
I personally don't oppose religious beliefs, although I oppose many religious institutions and organisations.

[Gim]

Atheists not just not believe in God, but they also oppose Him, as has been demonstrated here.

That's a nonsensical claim.

Not just because it stereotypes hundreds of millions of people... but because it's internally illogical.

What you're doing is illogical? I would say.

[Erinkita III]

Simlt the atheist don't believe in any God or other "mystical" creature or place. When we say "We don't believe any god" we didn't beleve an related antagonist and place. Atheist don't believe the eistence of the God, we don't beleve the existence of Satan, of Paraidise or hell, or other similar places..

Easy

Atheists not just not believe in God, but they also oppose Him, as has been demonstrated here.

Gim, remember what I said earlier in TET: Atheism isn't a platform, it's just a plank. Now yes, there are those who treat it as the core of their philosophy for whatever reason, but it isn't a philosophy unto itself. It's as impossible to make any broad sweeping claim about atheists as it is about theists. As a category, they have only one idea in common. There is one thing that is true about all atheists: they don't believe in any gods. Any other categorical claim is bound to be incorrect.

[Gim]

Atheists not just not believe in God, but they also oppose Him, as has been demonstrated here.

Gim, remember what I said earlier in TET: Atheism isn't a platform, it's just a plank. Now yes, there are those who treat it as the core of their philosophy for whatever reason, but it isn't a philosophy unto itself. It's as impossible to make any broad sweeping claim about atheists as it is about theists. As a category, they have only one idea in common. There is one thing that is true about all atheists: they don't believe in any gods. Any other categorical claim is bound to be incorrect.

Yeah, I know.

[Ashmoria]

Yeah, all it really does is demonstrate how intellectually flawed language can be, and the writer capitalises on that fact and proclaims it as a 'proof'.

Hell, even Anselm reveals himself to be an idiot after his friend Guanilo argued against it by substituting the idea of 'a perfect God' with the idea of 'a perfect island'. He followed the exact same premises that Anselm laid out, and lead to the conclusion that the island existed because it was perfect - but obviously, it didn't exist. Anselm basically went full tantrum and said ''my argument only applies to God''.

Guanilo was the idiot.

That wasn't Anselm's argument. He responded by saying that an island can't be maximally great because islands are contingent entities, whereas a maximally great being exists by necessity, not contingently. Kant's rebuttal to Anselm is far more cogent (existence is a predicate of characteristics, not a characteristic an entity can have)

lol


that's kinda why I don't take philosophy seriously.

Don't let an erroneous summarization of Anselm steer you away from philosophy.

oh pffft I'm almost 60. I was steered away ages ago when I had to endure philosopher after philosopher talking stupid about women without the least thought that they might have a bit of bias.

its the quickest way to see that it all depends on what you put in, not on the philosophy itself.

[Soviet Socialist not Soviet or Socialist]

Simlt the atheist don't believe in any God or other "mystical" creature or place. When we say "We don't believe any god" we didn't beleve an related antagonist and place. Atheist don't believe the eistence of the God, we don't beleve the existence of Satan, of Paraidise or hell, or other similar places..

Easy

Atheists not just not believe in God, but they also oppose Him, as has been demonstrated here.

Yeah. I oppose "god". Now if you don't mind I need to go oppose dragons and vermicious kinds.
(In case you are an idiot, this is sarcasm)

[Erinkita III]

Gim, remember what I said earlier in TET: Atheism isn't a platform, it's just a plank. Now yes, there are those who treat it as the core of their philosophy for whatever reason, but it isn't a philosophy unto itself. It's as impossible to make any broad sweeping claim about atheists as it is about theists. As a category, they have only one idea in common. There is one thing that is true about all atheists: they don't believe in any gods. Any other categorical claim is bound to be incorrect.

Yeah, I know.

But yes, there is a certain unnecessary antagonism one often sees.

Yeah. I oppose "god". Now if you don't mind I need to go oppose dragons and vermicious kinds.
(In case you are an idiot, this is sarcasm)

Hrrm.

[Neutraligon]

Gim, remember what I said earlier in TET: Atheism isn't a platform, it's just a plank. Now yes, there are those who treat it as the core of their philosophy for whatever reason, but it isn't a philosophy unto itself. It's as impossible to make any broad sweeping claim about atheists as it is about theists. As a category, they have only one idea in common. There is one thing that is true about all atheists: they don't believe in any gods. Any other categorical claim is bound to be incorrect.

Yeah, I know.

No, what many atheists oppose are religious people who try to impose their religion on others. Showing your particular god does not exist is simply a means to an end. Oh and...I do oppose your particular version of god. If your god existed I would fight it with everything I am because in my mind your god is evil.

[Ifreann]

Atheists not just not believe in God, but they also oppose Him, as has been demonstrated here.

How can you oppose something you don't believe in?

By asking people who do believe to support their arguments with evidence and logical reasoning.

[Soviet Socialist not Soviet or Socialist]

That's a nonsensical claim.

Not just because it stereotypes hundreds of millions of people... but because it's internally illogical.

What you're doing is illogical? I would say.

You're sentence structure is illogical.

[Big Jim P]

Simlt the atheist don't believe in any God or other "mystical" creature or place. When we say "We don't believe any god" we didn't beleve an related antagonist and place. Atheist don't believe the eistence of the God, we don't beleve the existence of Satan, of Paraidise or hell, or other similar places..

Easy

Atheists not just not believe in God, but they also oppose Him, as has been demonstrated here.

I do not oppose god (any god) any more than I oppose Darth Vader. Both exist on the same level.

Nor do I deny anyone the right to believe as they will, so long as hat belief is not imposed on me or present a direct threat to me or mine.

[Gim]

Yeah, I know.

No, what many atheists oppose are religious people who try to impose their religion on others. Showing your particular god does not exist is simply a means to an end. Oh and...I do oppose your particular version of god. If your god existed I would fight it with everything I am because in my mind your god is evil.

Fighting won't do much, but whatever. It's your life. Prayers to you and your family.

[The Alma Mater]

Yeah, I know.

No, what many atheists oppose are religious people who try to impose their religion on others. Showing your particular god does not exist is simply a means to an end. Oh and...I do oppose your particular version of god. If your god existed I would fight it with everything I am because in my mind your god is evil.

Well that, and ofc there is the small detail that Christianity c.s. make several quite insulting claims - which Christians might not even realise are insulting. Not merely about nonbelievers, but in general.
Example: the claim we are all deserving of eternal torment unless we are saved. Is that an insulting thing to say about someone or their loved ones ? Absolutely.

[Ifreann]

Yeah, I know.

No, what many atheists oppose are religious people who try to impose their religion on others. Showing your particular god does not exist is simply a means to an end. Oh and...I do oppose your particular version of god. If your god existed I would fight it with everything I am because in my mind your god is evil.

The latest entry in the DC universe: Batman v. God

[Neutraligon]

No, what many atheists oppose are religious people who try to impose their religion on others. Showing your particular god does not exist is simply a means to an end. Oh and...I do oppose your particular version of god. If your god existed I would fight it with everything I am because in my mind your god is evil.

Fighting won't do much, but whatever. It's your life. Prayers to you and your family.

Fighting you (general you)? Sure it will it will mean I get to go about my life without your laws forcing me to act like a Christian when I am not one. Fighting your god should it exist, sure it will, it means I am not complicit with his evil actions. As to the last sentence, being passive aggressive does not make you look good.

No, what many atheists oppose are religious people who try to impose their religion on others. Showing your particular god does not exist is simply a means to an end. Oh and...I do oppose your particular version of god. If your god existed I would fight it with everything I am because in my mind your god is evil.

The latest entry in the DC universe: Batman v. God

Already done that. I fought Darkseid, and lived (sorta)

No, what many atheists oppose are religious people who try to impose their religion on others. Showing your particular god does not exist is simply a means to an end. Oh and...I do oppose your particular version of god. If your god existed I would fight it with everything I am because in my mind your god is evil.

Well that, and ofc there is the small detail that Christianity c.s. make several quite insulting claims - which Christians might not even realise are insulting. Not merely about nonbelievers, but in general.
Example: the claim we are all deserving of eternal torment unless we are saved. Is that an insulting thing to say about someone or their loved ones ? Absolutely.

True. Even though I do not believe what Christians believe, many of their beliefs are not only insulting they are cruel. The very idea of using a scapegoat to resolve me of my sins is disgusting to me. The idea that because I cannot accept that "sacrifice" (dead three days in hell then forever in heaven is not much of a sacrifice) I deserve to be in hell forever is in my opinion a shit ideology.

[Anywhere Else But Here]

How can you oppose something you don't believe in?

By asking people who do believe to support their arguments with evidence and logical reasoning.

Curses! We have been unmasked!

[Gim]

Fighting your god should it exist

Not my god, the God. FIghting won't help you much.

being passive aggressive does not make you look good.

Wasn't really being aggressive, but okay. I guess people can be hypersensitive, for some odd reason.

[Neutraligon]

Fighting your god should it exist

Not my god, the God. FIghting won't help you much.

being passive aggressive does not make you look good.

Wasn't really being aggressive, but okay. I guess people can be hypersensitive, for some odd reason.

As I said, even if it is all powerful, to give in to the cruelty of your god is not something I would be willing to do. It means I do not hate myself for giving in to something just because it is powerful. And yes it is your god, it is most certainly not mine. It is rather funny that you don't realize how passive aggressive your final statement was. I guess it is kinda like how many Christians don't realize how insulting the idea that people deserve to be in hell is.

[Erinkita III]

Wasn't really being aggressive, but okay. I guess people can be hypersensitive, for some odd reason.

It can be very easy for people on opposite sides of cultural gulfs to misunderstand each other.
And it can be hard to take statements like "I'll pray for you" as anything but a slap in the face when you've heard it used that way so many times.

[Ifreann]

The latest entry in the DC universe: Batman v. God

Already done that. I fought Darkseid, and lived (sorta)

But this time you'll be played by Ben Affleck!

[Ashmoria]

The act forgave the people.

Nope.

It's an act of vicarious substitution, not forgiveness. Sin is not 'forgiven' in the sacrifice of the Lamb, it is hidden by blood.

what does that mean, hidden by blood?

[Gim]

It is rather funny that you don't realize how passive aggressive your final statement was. I guess it is kinda like how many Christians don't realize how insulting the idea that people deserve to be in hell is.

Well, if I were aggressive, I wouldn't be just posting like this, so...

I think you're wrong, but everyone is not like me, so he or she can have different opinions. Certainly, if you want to call God, "my God", that is entirely up to you. Whatever floats your boat.

statements like "I'll pray for you" as anything but a slap in the face when you've heard it used that way so many times.

Yeah, I'll refrain from doing that. In CDT and this thread, I'm being honest, but, particularly in this thread, those posts may be taken offensively.

[Neutraligon]

It is rather funny that you don't realize how passive aggressive your final statement was. I guess it is kinda like how many Christians don't realize how insulting the idea that people deserve to be in hell is.

Well, if I were aggressive, I wouldn't be just posting like this, so...

You do know what passive aggressive means right?

[Erinkita III]

statements like "I'll pray for you" as anything but a slap in the face when you've heard it used that way so many times.

Yeah, I'll refrain from doing that. In CDT and this thread, I'm being honest, but, particularly in this thread, those posts may be taken offensively.

Any passing acquaintance with you makes it obvious you wouldn't use it that way, but... yeah. It can get misinterpreted easily. If I hadn't chatted with you earlier in TET, I'd have probably thought you meant it as an insult.

[Gim]

Yeah, I'll refrain from doing that. In CDT and this thread, I'm being honest, but, particularly in this thread, those posts may be taken offensively.

Any passing acquaintance with you makes it obvious you wouldn't use it that way, but... yeah. It can get misinterpreted easily. If I hadn't chatted with you earlier in TET, I'd have probably thought you meant it as an insult.

Yeah, thanks for understanding. I'll be careful next time.