Do atheist worry about eternal damnation?

[Anywhere Else But Here]

To be honest, even if Jesus came back, people would not trust him and would try to send him to a mental health institution as sad as it is.

Revelation 1:7 says, "Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him.”

"See" doesn't necessarily mean "recognise", though, surely? It could just mean he'll make a spectacular entrance on an overcast day.

[Gim]

Revelation 1:7 says, "Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him.”

"See" doesn't necessarily mean "recognise", though, surely? It could just mean he'll make a spectacular entrance on an overcast day.

Can be or can be not. Revelations does have different interpretations from different denominations.

[Pasong Tirad]

"See" doesn't necessarily mean "recognise", though, surely? It could just mean he'll make a spectacular entrance on an overcast day.

Can be or can be not. Revelations does have different interpretations from different denominations.

And it has a radically different interpretation for non-believers.

[Erinkita III]

Can be or can be not. Revelations does have different interpretations from different denominations.

And it has a radically different interpretation for non-believers.

I always saw it as a scathing indictment of the Roman Empire in the form of an elaborate revenge fantasy, using code and symbol to conceal its radical message. Both that and a prophecy, in the sense that is said "Remember Antiochus? Well this guy Nero is a lot like him. And Antiochus was a lot like Nebuchadnezzar. And Nebuchadnezzar was a lot like the Pharaoh. And there will be leaders in the future who are a lot like all of them." It reminded folks that tyranny was the world's past and will be the world's future, but also promised justice somewhere down the line.

[Gim]

Can be or can be not. Revelations does have different interpretations from different denominations.

And it has a radically different interpretation for non-believers.

Which is a misinterpetation.

[The Alma Mater]

Revelation 1:7 says, "Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him.”

Even blind eyes and glass eyes?

/joke

Nope, since people with a defect in their sight are not allowed to approach the altar of the Lord.

[The Alma Mater]

And it has a radically different interpretation for non-believers.

Which is a misinterpetation.

Ohno, the Bible quite clearly distinguishes nonbelievers - who are deemed blind, worthless and to be pitied - and people who adhere to another religion - who should be slaughtered without reserve along with the people who provided them aid. It is a logical deduction that their faiths after death will be equally different.

[Gim]

Which is a misinterpetation.

Ohno, the Bible quite clearly distinguishes nonbelievers - who are deemed blind, worthless and to be pitied - and people who adhere to another religion - who should be slaughtered without reserve along with the people who provided them aid. It is a logical deduction that their faiths after death will be equally different.

And Jesus brings the Gentiles and the Jews together as one and forgives them.

[Big Jim P]

You might want to crack open some Anselm, infinite punishment is the only Just recourse to offense against a being of infinite glory. (Paraphrasing of course)

Honestly, with so many atheist so knowledgeable about the Christianity, god and the bible, and after 35 pages of discussion, I am still somewhat surprised they don't worry about eternal damnation.

I know a lot of different myths, but you don't see me worrying about Zues throwing a lightening bolt at me or Thor hitting me with a hammer.

[Gim]

Honestly, with so many atheist so knowledgeable about the Christianity, god and the bible, and after 35 pages of discussion, I am still somewhat surprised they don't worry about eternal damnation.

I know a lot of different myths, but you don't see me worrying about Zues throwing a lightening bolt at me or Thor hitting me with a hammer.

God's plan.

Also, long time no see.

[Big Jim P]

I know a lot of different myths, but you don't see me worrying about Zues throwing a lightening bolt at me or Thor hitting me with a hammer.

God's plan.

Also, long time no see.

RL takes its toll.

What god BTW? I know of a great many gods.

[Melhenyjdan]

No, nothing can be eternal, thermodynamics and stuff prevents that... besides - no proof for the existence of an immoortal soul or afterlife - no worries about shananigans.

[Gim]

God's plan.

Also, long time no see.

RL takes its toll.

What god BTW? I know of a great many gods.

God with a capital G.

[Ifreann]

Point out the specific flaw in the reasoning. Otherwise, argumentum ad hominem.

Show us your next trick!

Actually it's not, the argument wasn't a refutation of yours, by attacking your character (as what an actual ad hominem would be) but rather me pointing out the difficulty of navigating a theological debate based on the limited perspective of atheistic thinking. You conceive of life, as a finite resource, and therefore use premature death of children and infants as proof of God's immorality, by creating conditions of where beings can be robbed prematurely of the resource they should rightfully not be deprived of. You conceive of things only in the realm of the physical now, hence 2 dimensional terms.

Shouldn't that be 3-dimensional terms, then?

Or do you think that you need to believe in God in order to look up or down?

[Gim]

No, nothing can be eternal, thermodynamics and stuff prevents that... besides - no proof for the existence of an immoortal soul or afterlife - no worries about shananigans.

That's why we go by faith.

[Erinkita III]

RL takes its toll.

What god BTW? I know of a great many gods.

God with a capital G.

I once had a frog named Frog.

[Big Jim P]

No, nothing can be eternal, thermodynamics and stuff prevents that... besides - no proof for the existence of an immoortal soul or afterlife - no worries about shananigans.

I've quit asking for proof. I'll just settle for a single shred of viable evidence. Until then, gods, demons, spirits and the afterlife remain mythological.

[Anywhere Else But Here]

RL takes its toll.

What god BTW? I know of a great many gods.

God with a capital G.

Ah, yes. That would be the god revealed to Guru Nanak, then.

[Big Jim P]

RL takes its toll.

What god BTW? I know of a great many gods.

God with a capital G.

Sorry, but god was not the first word in the sentence, so there was no reason to capitalize.

[Grave_n_idle]

Almost irrelevant, really.

The Baptist arguments for Catholics being anti-Christ start with their lack of understanding of salvation through grace, but extend far further.

Don't go down that rabbithole if you can avoid it.

That's just ignorant "Christians" making the call. Don't heed too much into that.

I don't attach any significance to the arguments as objective arguments, but they certainly exist as subjective arguments - which is the point I as making to Constantinopolis: "If you've never encountered Christians arguing that there are worse ways to worship than simply not worshiping, then you've not really researched the subject."

[Big Jim P]

God with a capital G.

Ah, yes. That would be the god revealed to Guru Nanak, then.

No, just a horribly misspelled "Jim".

[Big Jim P]

God with a capital G.

I once had a frog named Frog.

Your name seems familiar.

[Gim]

God with a capital G.

Sorry, but god was not the first word in the sentence, so there was no reason to capitalize.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God

[Grave_n_idle]

it makes sense that if they are absolutely sure there is no life after death, and there is no God, then there wouldn't be a heaven or hell, or any form of eternal reward or damnation.

There would be Hell, if the Devil exists.

Not necessarily.

I mean, even if God and the Devil DID exist, 'Hell' could be a personal punishment for JUST the Devil.

But the whole thing is so inconsistent, anyway - the Greek scripture vision of heaven/hell and god/devil is pretty much totally irreconcilable with the Hebrew scripture... it's something of a nonsense to try to even discuss what 'hell' or even 'the devil' means.

Much less, what it means for us.

[Gim]

That's just ignorant "Christians" making the call. Don't heed too much into that.

I don't attach any significance to the arguments as objective arguments, but they certainly exist as subjective arguments - which is the point I as making to Constantinopolis: "If you've never encountered Christians arguing that there are worse ways to worship than simply not worshiping, then you've not really researched the subject."

I didn't state that at all, nor is that pertinent to my claims.