Do atheist worry about eternal damnation?

[Anywhere Else But Here]

Because killing almost every animal and civilization with a flood is totally not terrible destruction. I'm sure Satan did far worse! Wait... I can't find anything in the bible.

Deceiving all of humanity, and leading thousands to eternal damnation from a Christian theist point of view, would yes be worse than smiting most the world. Again like i said, were not approaching the subject form the same avenues

Does that make a Christian serial killer more moral than, say, Stephen Fry?

[Tarsonis Survivors]

I'm sure the children, babies, and soon-to-be dead animals all sinned greatly against God!

The act of sinning can be unwitting, sometimes.

No, no it can't. Sin requires both will and knowledge. Hence why Adam and Eve "are of the tree of knowledge of good and evil"

[Gim]

Deceiving all of humanity, and leading thousands to eternal damnation from a Christian theist point of view, would yes be worse than smiting most the world. Again like i said, were not approaching the subject form the same avenues

Does that make a Christian serial killer more moral than, say, Stephen Fry?

If the serial killer is truly Christian, he should have repented.

[Zalxero]

Oh yes, let us talk about an unnecessary sacrifice from a god that can do anything but apparently forgive others.

The act forgave the people.

And why exactly? Why did God, a being that can do ANYTHING, need to sacrifice family to forgive others?

Does that make a Christian serial killer more moral than, say, Stephen Fry?

If the serial killer is truly Christian, he should have repented.

No True Scotsman fallacy

[The Conez Imperium]

The problem there is that eternal damnation was God's idea. Infinite punishment for a finite crime? Sounds like some of Darth Vader's torture methods.

You might want to crack open some Anselm, infinite punishment is the only Just recourse to offense against a being of infinite glory. (Paraphrasing of course)

Honestly, with so many atheist so knowledgeable about the Christianity, god and the bible, and after 35 pages of discussion, I am still somewhat surprised they don't worry about eternal damnation.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Deceiving all of humanity, and leading thousands to eternal damnation from a Christian theist point of view, would yes be worse than smiting most the world. Again like i said, were not approaching the subject form the same avenues

Does that make a Christian serial killer more moral than, say, Stephen Fry?

No. A human being is prohibited from murdering another human being. Hence why I said, death isn't really a moral event. It's the conditions of the death that bear moral qualifiers.

[Gim]

The act forgave the people.

And why exactly? Why did God, a being that can do ANYTHING, need to sacrifice family to forgive others?

Well, that's the part that is beyond our comprehension is what I'm saying. I don't know exactly.

[The Conez Imperium]

The act forgave the people.

And why exactly? Why did God, a being that can do ANYTHING, need to sacrifice family to forgive others?

Because God loves everyone and wants to save everyone from damnation (by giving them a chance to repent).

[Zalxero]

And why exactly? Why did God, a being that can do ANYTHING, need to sacrifice family to forgive others?

Well, that's the part that is beyond our comprehension is what I'm saying. I don't know exactly.

Already with the circular reasoning? You've already did the same thing to Wallenburg.

[Anywhere Else But Here]

Does that make a Christian serial killer more moral than, say, Stephen Fry?

No. A human being is prohibited from murdering another human being. Hence why I said, death isn't really a moral event. It's the conditions of the death that bear moral qualifiers.

But it's okay when God does it?

[Gim]

And why exactly? Why did God, a being that can do ANYTHING, need to sacrifice family to forgive others?

Because God loves everyone and wants to save everyone from damnation (by giving them a chance to repent).

Yeah, he was trying to show his love to the people in physical terms.

[Zalxero]

And why exactly? Why did God, a being that can do ANYTHING, need to sacrifice family to forgive others?

Because God loves everyone and wants to save everyone from damnation (by giving them a chance to repent).

So why are you not answering my question? That was his intent, not his (unnecessary) action.

[Gim]

Because God loves everyone and wants to save everyone from damnation (by giving them a chance to repent).

So why are you not answering my question? That was his intent, not his (unnecessary) action.

Read my post.

[Zalxero]

So why are you not answering my question? That was his intent, not his (unnecessary) action.

Read my post.

Note that was HIS argument, not yours. According to his post you two are apparently in disagreement. Though he apparently refuses to say the why he took an unnecessary action when he could do anything. You, at least, stated you don't know.

[Gim]

Read my post.

Note that was HIS argument, not yours. According to his post you two are apparently in disagreement. Though he apparently refuses to say the why he took an unnecessary action when he could do anything. You, at least, stated you don't know.

I meant as in why doesn't God make us automatically love him. That I don't know, but if God intends having us make the effort to get to know Him, then sacrificing Jesus would be a way for Him to show how much He loves us.

[Zalxero]

Note that was HIS argument, not yours. According to his post you two are apparently in disagreement. Though he apparently refuses to say the why he took an unnecessary action when he could do anything. You, at least, stated you don't know.

I meant as in why doesn't God make us automatically love him. That I don't know, but if God intends having us make the effort to get to know Him, then sacrificing Jesus would be a way for Him to show how much He loves us.

Why send Jesus instead of telling us?

[Gim]

I meant as in why doesn't God make us automatically love him. That I don't know, but if God intends having us make the effort to get to know Him, then sacrificing Jesus would be a way for Him to show how much He loves us.

Why send Jesus instead of telling us?

He did tell us that he would protect us and bring us to prosperity, but people didn't believe him over time and committed sins, except for a few individuals.

[The Conez Imperium]

Read my post.

Note that was HIS argument, not yours. According to his post you two are apparently in disagreement. Though he apparently refuses to say the why he took an unnecessary action when he could do anything. You, at least, stated you don't know.

Gim speaks for me in this context.

I don't know why God decided to use Jesus. Perhaps as Gim said, "he was trying to show his love to the people in physical terms". But we can understand his intent.

[Zalxero]

Why send Jesus instead of telling us?

He did tell us that he would protect us and bring us to prosperity, but people didn't believe him over time and committed sins, except for a few individuals.

That answered no question I asked.

[Gim]

He did tell us that he would protect us and bring us to prosperity, but people didn't believe him over time and committed sins, except for a few individuals.

That answered no question I asked.

Well, just as I stated previously, how would I or other people know what is deeply within his mind? He has some sort of a reason for that.

[Socialist Tera]

To be honest, even if Jesus came back, people would not trust him and would try to send him to a mental health institution as sad as it is.

[Zalxero]

That answered no question I asked.

Well, just as I stated previously, how would I or other people know what is deeply within his mind? He has some sort of a reason for that.

Then why should we believe in the existence of something with no clear evidence of ever existing and has unclear possibly hostile motives?

[Gim]

To be honest, even if Jesus came back, people would not trust him and would try to send him to a mental health institution as sad as it is.

Revelation 1:7 says, "Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him.”

[Zalxero]

To be honest, even if Jesus came back, people would not trust him and would try to send him to a mental health institution as sad as it is.

Revelation 1:7 says, "Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him.”

Even blind eyes and glass eyes?

/joke

[Gim]

Revelation 1:7 says, "Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him.”

Even blind eyes?

/joke

Well, the word, "see", there means they will realize who He truly is.