Do atheist worry about eternal damnation?

[A Humanist Resurrection]

For the moment, I'd settle for anything besides just more ad hominem crutch work. Really.

That's not an ad hominem attack. They aren't attacking you, but rather are identifying what evidence you want. Besides, what's wrong with demanding logic? Logic is far superior to faith.

Allow me to clarify. I was refering to Gim's repeated resort to ad hominem crutch work. Pasong Tirad has done no such thing in that post (or any other I am aware of). My intention was to agree with Pasong Tirad, but with the qualification that I would also accept something less than "logic" from Gim, just so long as it wasn't just more ad hominem.

My apologies for the confusion I caused here.

[Gim]

But you can condemn the man for his ignorance while simultaneously being the one responsible for the same, right? It's all well and good to claim to have a plan that you're under no obligation to actually describe, share, or demonstrate.

It's the stuff of classic con-artistry.

Except unlike said blind men you actually the capacity to see the painting,


I should point out that as much as Gim means well, he's conveying a very limited and specific religious tradition that doesn't really hit the mainstream of Christianity. So as long as you keep trying to refute him by proxy by arguing with me, it's not gonna get anywhere with me

That is because you oppose Protestantism, I think.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Except unlike said blind men you actually the capacity to see the painting,


I should point out that as much as Gim means well, he's conveying a very limited and specific religious tradition that doesn't really hit the mainstream of Christianity. So as long as you keep trying to refute him by proxy by arguing with me, it's not gonna get anywhere with me

That is because you oppose Protestantism, I think.

Protestantism is a broad spectrum, you're smashing the neo-evangelical button pretty hard.

[Zalxero]

Nope, you. You seem to be the one who has not read your own bible, based, of course, on your limited references to it beyond "read the bible".

Say that to the other person. I'm not going to recite the entire blblical work here, just because you complain about it.

I'm not asking that. Unlike Wallenburg, who has indeed mentioned things that has happened within the bible, you have not divulged things from the bible to refute his statement beyond "read the bible" or the hilarious argument that implies God works in mysterious ways.

[Gim]

Say that to the other person. I'm not going to recite the entire blblical work here, just because you complain about it.

I'm not asking that. Unlike Wallenburg, who has indeed mentioned things that has happened within the bible, you have not divulged things from the bible to refute his statement beyond "read the bible" or the hilarious argument that implies God works in mysterious ways.

Well, it's certainly better than people basically calling God satanic.

[A Humanist Resurrection]

Ressurrection obviously has a very simplistic observation of a very complex narrative and by all extents, has not read the bible judging from that comment. I mean do I have to recite the narrative of Adam and Eve eating the forbidden fruit by their own accord?

Horray! It's the "free will" sophistry! Again!

"Choose the way I prefer, or be coersively punished. And, by the way, your choice is totally free and exclusively of your own accord. Even though I will punish you. Oh, and the punishment will automatically apply to all of your descendants forever, regardless of how they might choose at all. Because free will."

Sorry, I'm still not all that impressed.

[Zalxero]

I'm not asking that. Unlike Wallenburg, who has indeed mentioned things that has happened within the bible, you have not divulged things from the bible to refute his statement beyond "read the bible" or the hilarious argument that implies God works in mysterious ways.

Well, it's certainly better than people basically calling God satanic.

I'd honestly prefer to be referred to as satanic then godly. According to the bible, a Satan-like figure was the one who urged humanity towards learning. Additionally, Satan killed far less then God did in the bible.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Ressurrection obviously has a very simplistic observation of a very complex narrative and by all extents, has not read the bible judging from that comment. I mean do I have to recite the narrative of Adam and Eve eating the forbidden fruit by their own accord?

Horray! It's the "free will" sophistry! Again!

"Choose the way I prefer, or be coersively punished. And, by the way, your choice is totally free and exclusively of your own accord. Oh, and the punishment will automatically apply to all of your descendents forever, regardless of how they might choose at all. Because free will."

Sorry, I'm still not all that impressed.

Do you have a list of New Atheist buzzwords?

[Gim]

That is because you oppose Protestantism, I think.

Protestantism is a broad spectrum, you're smashing the neo-evangelical button pretty hard.

And it's not necessarily wrong, I suppose. Just a matter of opinion, really. AHR has his opinions; I have my opinions; you have your opinions.

[Altorthfnara]

Not really, no. Every religion has their arguments for why they are correct, so you'd have to be following them all to be completely safe.

[Gim]

Not really, no. Every religion has their arguments for why they are correct, so you'd have to be following them all to be completely safe.

What if there are contradicting factors?

[Pasong Tirad]

He's not going to read the Bible. While we may consider the Bible to be the truth, they do not. Either elevate to find a way for both of you to be able to logically argue without the use of trump cards like the Bible and faith - faith isn't logical because it's not supposed to be logical. They demand logic, not faith.

Faith is logical when one considers the bible to be historical documents...

That depends on whixh parts you think are historical.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Well, it's certainly better than people basically calling God satanic.

I'd honestly prefer to be referred to as satanic then godly. According to the bible, a Satan-like figure was the one who urged humanity towards learning. Additionally, Satan killed far less then God did in the bible.

Eh Biblically speaking Satan is responsible for far worse destruction than God ever wrought. But the problem here is what we think constitutes destruction.

[Gim]

I'd honestly prefer to be referred to as satanic then godly. According to the bible, a Satan-like figure was the one who urged humanity towards learning. Additionally, Satan killed far less then God did in the bible.

Eh Biblically speaking Satan is responsible for far worse destruction than God ever wrought. But the problem here is what we think constitutes destruction.

Man, great arguments, really. I didn't think the argument to be grand-scale.

[Zalxero]

I'd honestly prefer to be referred to as satanic then godly. According to the bible, a Satan-like figure was the one who urged humanity towards learning. Additionally, Satan killed far less then God did in the bible.

Eh Biblically speaking Satan is responsible for far worse destruction than God ever wrought. But the problem here is what we think constitutes destruction.

Because killing almost every animal and civilization with a flood is totally not terrible destruction. I'm sure Satan did far worse! Wait... I can't find anything in the bible.

[Gim]

Eh Biblically speaking Satan is responsible for far worse destruction than God ever wrought. But the problem here is what we think constitutes destruction.

Because killing almost every animal and civilization with a flood is totally not terrible destruction. I'm sure Satan did far worse! Wait... I can't find anything in the bible.

They sinned greatly against God, and God allowed Noah and his family, as well as some animals to survive.

[Zalxero]

Because killing almost every animal and civilization with a flood is totally not terrible destruction. I'm sure Satan did far worse! Wait... I can't find anything in the bible.

They sinned greatly against God, and God allowed Noah and his family, as well as some animals to survive.

I'm sure the children, babies, and soon-to-be dead animals all sinned greatly against God!

[Gim]

They sinned greatly against God, and God allowed Noah and his family, as well as some animals to survive.

I'm sure the children, babies, and soon-to-be dead animals all sinned greatly against God!

The act of sinning can be unwitting, sometimes.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Eh Biblically speaking Satan is responsible for far worse destruction than God ever wrought. But the problem here is what we think constitutes destruction.

Because killing almost every animal and civilization with a flood is totally not terrible destruction. I'm sure Satan did far worse! Wait... I can't find anything in the bible.

Deceiving all of humanity, and leading thousands to eternal damnation from a Christian theist point of view, would yes be worse than smiting most the world. Again like i said, were not approaching the subject form the same avenues

[Zalxero]

I'm sure the children, babies, and soon-to-be dead animals all sinned greatly against God!

The act of sinning can be unwitting, sometimes.

"un·wit·ting
ˌənˈwidiNG/

adjective

(of a person) not aware of the full facts.
"an unwitting accomplice"
synonyms: unknowing, unconscious, unsuspecting, oblivious, unaware, innocent, in the dark
"an unwitting accomplice"

not done on purpose; unintentional.
"we are anxious to rectify the unwitting mistakes made in the past"
synonyms: unintentional, unintended, inadvertent, involuntary, unconscious, accidental
"an unwitting mistake""

Bit of an unjust God don'cha you think?

[Zalxero]

Because killing almost every animal and civilization with a flood is totally not terrible destruction. I'm sure Satan did far worse! Wait... I can't find anything in the bible.

Deceiving all of humanity, and leading thousands to eternal damnation from a Christian theist point of view, would yes be worse than smiting most the world. Again like i said, were not approaching the subject form the same avenues

The problem there is that eternal damnation was God's idea. Infinite punishment for a finite crime? Sounds like some of Darth Vader's torture methods.

[Gim]

The act of sinning can be unwitting, sometimes.

"un·wit·ting
ˌənˈwidiNG/

adjective

(of a person) not aware of the full facts.
"an unwitting accomplice"
synonyms: unknowing, unconscious, unsuspecting, oblivious, unaware, innocent, in the dark
"an unwitting accomplice"

not done on purpose; unintentional.
"we are anxious to rectify the unwitting mistakes made in the past"
synonyms: unintentional, unintended, inadvertent, involuntary, unconscious, accidental
"an unwitting mistake""

Bit of an unjust God don'cha you think?

Just in that context, yes.
However, that is why God sent Jesus to crucify for our sins. Therefore, we are forgiven by His blood.

[Zalxero]

"un·wit·ting
ˌənˈwidiNG/

adjective

(of a person) not aware of the full facts.
"an unwitting accomplice"
synonyms: unknowing, unconscious, unsuspecting, oblivious, unaware, innocent, in the dark
"an unwitting accomplice"

not done on purpose; unintentional.
"we are anxious to rectify the unwitting mistakes made in the past"
synonyms: unintentional, unintended, inadvertent, involuntary, unconscious, accidental
"an unwitting mistake""

Bit of an unjust God don'cha you think?

Just in that context, yes.
However, that is why God sent Jesus to crucify for our sins. Therefore, we are forgiven by His blood.

Oh yes, let us talk about an unnecessary sacrifice from a god that can do anything but apparently forgive others.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Deceiving all of humanity, and leading thousands to eternal damnation from a Christian theist point of view, would yes be worse than smiting most the world. Again like i said, were not approaching the subject form the same avenues

The problem there is that eternal damnation was God's idea. Infinite punishment for a finite crime? Sounds like some of Darth Vader's torture methods.

You might want to crack open some Anselm, infinite punishment is the only Just recourse to offense against a being of infinite glory. (Paraphrasing of course)

[Gim]

Just in that context, yes.
However, that is why God sent Jesus to crucify for our sins. Therefore, we are forgiven by His blood.

Oh yes, let us talk about an unnecessary sacrifice from a god that can do anything but apparently forgive others.

The act forgave the people.